[M] (2) DF Yeonsu - Page 6

On August 26 2013 03:06 Timetwister22 wrote:
As for the aesthetic change, it's not worth complaining about.

On August 26 2013 03:06 Timetwister22 wrote:
Easy fix to island abuse is putting rocks on the islands. Yet, by doing so they'll never get taken. Honestly, solo islands such as this don't work in sc2. However, islands that have an cliff behind them that is accessible from the rest of the map do work.
So something like this: + Show Spoiler +
On Yeonsu, would look like this: + Show Spoiler +

Though, I'm ok with Blizzard's change to make the islands semi islands. While this does change the map concept a bit, in a way it should actually make the map more interesting. Chances are the islands would have rarely seen use, but now they have the potential to be used with more than just air based compositions.

As for the aesthetic change, it's not worth complaining about. Yes, eTcetRa put some hard work into the aesthetics, but this map is being used in ladder and WCS. It is going to be played on by all the pros as well as thousands of ladder players. It will be played on millions of times, and potentially host some of the most historic and memorable games that fans will remember for a long time. Why on earth should anyone complain about a bit of texture changes. I do think eTcetRa's is better looking, but it's not like Blizzard made this map a complete eyesore. So yeah, nothing to really complain about.

In all, the changes Blizzard did to this map are not worth complaining. While the map may not look as good in my opinion, I feel it will play better with the island change. Thus, as long as Blizzard isn't shit-ifying the map like the natural change on Korhal Compound, then I'm ok with Blizzard making changes. Would be nice if they at least briefed the mapmaker though...

On August 26 2013 18:09 SiskosGoatee wrote:
I honestly never really got this 'clarity' argument, a ramp looks vastly different from anything you can create with textures. I didn't think the first version was unclear and I think it looked the best of all versions truth be told.

On August 27 2013 13:00 SidianTheBard wrote:
You guys bitch way too damn much. The texturing isn't "that" awful. Hell, it probably made it better for 80% of the player base with their piece of shit computers. You should be grateful you actually got a map on the ladder, which is basically what every mapmaker dreams of. Instead, you guys just bitch constantly.

Changing between an island to a semi-island isn't the end of the world either. It doesn't change up much at all and it just gives zerg a safer fourth, which honestly is good considering TvZ is very strong for terran atm if they can just bio-mine push you and keep you stuck on 3 base to 3 base.

I swear Timetwister is one of the only map makers left (okay and ETP) who actually has some common sense. Everybody else is Ragoo Jr and just bitches to bitch. It's getting awfully annoying.

On August 27 2013 15:16 eTcetRa wrote:
It may have made it better for older computers compared to my older version, but not the newer version.

Honestly, I think I am being more than fair with my complaints, but you are
Mostly misunderstanding them. I am complaining that they changed it without even contacting me.

That, and the horrible job they did with it, is why I am annoyed. While I grant you the texturing could be a while lot worse, but it's hardly good right now too. And their island fix was incredibly inelegant. That's all the complaining is about really..

And I'd hardly call most people a "ragoo jr" so don't know who you are trying to refer to here, because Lefix doesn't complain, WRL doesn't complain, I don't think I have seen Meltage do anything bad either. That's TPW. I'm the only really vocal person who was in DF and I didn't complain about every little thing. Ironman is fine, NewSunshine is fine. Honestly who are you talking about lol. Nice try though?...

Fuck phone messaging too.

On August 27 2013 15:40 eTcetRa wrote:


Yeah that's true. I may have responded in a little too broad of a manner.

This thread is a bit much bitching but that'll be my fault for rallying the troops as it were.

The changes really aren't major I agree. I just wish I had the chance to make the changes (as I have done) because I think they are better made by myself than the Blizzard mapmaker.


Edit: I may have responded a bit narkier than I intended earlier. Bad day at work here!

On August 27 2013 16:36 SiskosGoatee wrote:

"Ragoo Jr." is by the way the finest term in the history of mankind. You people are seriously bitching at Blizzard for the sake of bitching at Blizzard, no one ever Bitches if the GSL makes edits to maps. .

On August 27 2013 15:34 SidianTheBard wrote:
Now what does Ragoo does 24/7? Yeah...Bitch constantly.

On August 27 2013 17:22 Ragoo wrote:


First of all I wasn't even complaining about this so much, altho I'm quite disappointed with the removal of the islands cos I think they could have been used (much more so than on something like Metropolis where the islands were redundant).

Secondly you make it sound like there is nothing to complain about in mapmaking. Yes because everything is goin soo well, foreign mapmakers totally have the same chances as Koreans, map pools are really well thought out by tournaments, map rotation is really good, Blizzard has gotten really good at mapmaking and I'm glad they are still introducing new maps and every good mapmaker who has put in hundreds of hours into mapmaking has gotten what he deserves so far.

Clearly, I shouldn't have anythin to complain about in mapmaking.

On August 27 2013 17:35 iHirO wrote:
Do you think it's feasible for Blizzard to include a tool to determine if a map is viable for ladder (e.g. the number or type of doodads exceeds a certain value, number of textures, light levels etc)? Or is this too difficult to automate?