EPTIf people would stop getting mad on slightly different maps than the norm maybe we will someday have actual map variance, and that would be great.
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moskonia
Israel1448 Posts
If people would stop getting mad on slightly different maps than the norm maybe we will someday have actual map variance, and that would be great. | ||
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lorestarcraft
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SiskosGoatee
Albania1482 Posts
On September 21 2013 01:05 moskonia wrote: The point is that the choke extends outward making it hard for Z to form a good concave on the other side of it. On most maps you can form a concave outside of the natural, even if it's a ramp some roaches poke up and get vision and the roaches on the lowground can still fire at the wall. Typically if you attack into the natural here your entire army gets forcefielded up badly.How are these true? The nat entrance is not a ramp, is 10 square wide and has a backdoor, thus more hard to defend than any other map on the ladder. The 3rd is not that easy as well, although after you break the rocks it's not that hard, but it's not super easy like entombed or something alike. I find it in fact in practice easier for T/P to defend the third than on Entombed, if the rocks are closed there is only a super tiny entrance into it and P/T don't have to break rocks to get access to it themselves. I played a lot of ZvT games against mech on this map (terrans actually go mech on this map, should say something, it's very rare) and it's super hard to put pressure on it, the third is extremely cloe and super close to your base.Six expansions is a low number? I agree that the map forces you to expand towards your opponent, but the number of expansions is pretty standard. The only map currently in the pool with less bases is Bel'Shir with Polar Night and Derelict having the same amount. Also considerng that one base is Island of course. It's not low low like Jung Basin with four per player but it's definitely lower than average.I also feel that the original half base that Bel'shir should be added back in. 5 bases per player is waaay too few I feel. Especially on a map with such high CS. High CS maps need 6 bases at a minimum I feel. Also, TB is right that he shouldn't be discredited just because of his ladder rank. More than enough people of high rank agree. The point is that many people of high rank will also have differing opinions on issues. Note how MorroW likes the map. But then again, Morrow might be speaking from a Terran perspective. My own opinion as a random player is that this map is pretty darn imbalanced against Z. I have actually racepicked Z for a while to try and find an answer to ply on this map but it's really tough, it's certainly not hard to win, but damn is it tough and ZvT is tough enough for Zerg as it is. On September 21 2013 16:44 eTcetRa wrote: His question was no doubt leading, but the opinion that Yeonsu is a nightmare for Z is very common.I'm curious as to what race those players and having a little more detail, if you could pm me and we could talk I would be very Interested to hear from you. As to the quotes themselves if your question was "do you reckon Yeonsu is any good? That expansion with the cliffs seems awfully easy to exploit hard as Terran" then that's already pushing your opinion on them and skewing the answers. A better question to ask would have been "what do you think about Yeonsu in regards to balance?". But alas even asking that question to the same three players would be pointless considering that multiple pros of the same race can have vastly different views. As much as I'll respect your opinion and feel that it is worth considering (even if I believe in this case it is biased) complaining about it amounts to the same as complaining about drops being powerful on Akilon and Polar because of air space.. There are other factors that play a role in the map. Protoss have a lot of blink harrass power on Yeonsu and Zerg have a lot of flanking and run-by opportunities. Again, I would like to hear from you and have a discussion if you would like to pm me! Edit: probably a lot of fuck ups in this post. On phone..... | ||
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SiskosGoatee
Albania1482 Posts
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