You can blink into the backyard as well as warpin, not sure if bad or brilliant, we will see.

Apart from that, really cool map in terms of layout, finally something different.

Ragoo

Germany2423 Posts

January 21 2013 10:37 GMT

I like this map a lot for how different it is, yet I don't think it does anything stupid or over the top.

How long it can remain in GSL or if there is imbalances remains to be seen, but for the time being I have high hopes for unique games

Fatam

1986 Posts

January 21 2013 11:27 GMT

I'm just glad there's a GSL map for the first time in a long time that is taking a few chances. It may not be perfect - we'll see on that - but at least it is trying.

Unsane

Canada170 Posts

January 21 2013 12:50 GMT

I wish more maps would make use of varying mineral layouts.

algue

France1428 Posts

January 21 2013 12:58 GMT

I really think this map needs one more base below the third but I still like it

Dujek

United Kingdom276 Posts

January 21 2013 14:15 GMT

#10

I honestly have no idea what to make of this map, but watching tasteless and artosis talk about it should be a lot of fun.

Sumadin

Denmark586 Posts

January 21 2013 14:39 GMT

#11

On January 21 2013 21:58 algue wrote:
I really think this map needs one more base below the third but I still like it

How did i miss that?

Yea 4.5 bases per player is... a questionable decision. And even then 1 of the bases for each player is centered thus practically impossible to secure.

Even on Ohana with 5 bases per player the low number of bases have been a frequent problem, even without centered bases.

What are they thinking exactly? Suddenly i am not too sure about this map.

Barrin

United States4998 Posts

January 21 2013 14:43 GMT

#12

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The main/nat vulnerabilities are nowhere near the metagame. If they were, I would love starting with complementing the overall flow of the map.. its sexy.

The lowered bunker thing on top of a 2-wide ramp @ the main entrance is a little silly at certain timings against Z. T/P could hold on reliably after learning to watch out for it, I expect. But not easily, don't forget the back door...

The good news is that the natural is "tucked away" and can help block the back door temporarily, again with clever building placements. Gold minerals are a nice touch, why not.

I expect a Z to generally be ahead at this point... but the 3rd base is pretty vulnerable for Z I think, and the small entrance of the 4th is great for T and P. Middle bases fit nicely.

This is almost(main entrance weird^^) at least a 4/5 'aggressive' map IMO. Barring much testing it could be excellent; the problem is that it's just so incredibly different from other excellent, already accepted maps, which makes it unsuitable for ladder/competition. Could change in time / different main entrance?

No corner of this map is lost on me man, I love it really +1

SiskosGoatee

Albania1482 Posts

January 21 2013 15:36 GMT

#13

On January 21 2013 23:39 Sumadin wrote:

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I think this is the purpose of this map, it's meant to force people to do 2base pushes and potentially expand behind it. This has been the overall flow of the GSL this season by also basically putting rocks on all the thirds on older maps.

FlaShFTW

United States9276 Posts

January 21 2013 16:15 GMT

#14

the 3rd is very difficult to take, but if thats how the map will play out and the creator intended to, then im ok with that.

Qikz

United Kingdom11815 Posts

January 21 2013 16:35 GMT

#15

I love this map and I'm so glad GSL are finally moving away from every map being basically the same.

It's all well and good having maps that support really early 3 base play, but when every map in the pool does it it makes the game almost unbearable to watch as every game plays out the same.

I love the design, the base positioning and the cool backyard nat (unseen for ages, crevasse was the last one right?). Hope to see more maps like this and more experimental ones in the future with HoTS around the corner! :D

lorestarcraft

United States1028 Posts

January 21 2013 16:45 GMT

#16

This gets map gets worse the more I look at it. So awful. It's not creative, it's just bad. Even on maps where the third is harder, it still has to be possible to take it. Ripping half of the strats out of the playbook doesn't improve play. Why doesn't someone from GOM look at the awesome and creative community maps and pick one? They are 10 times better and balanced. Seriously, I am so mad at this.

NewSunshine

United States4747 Posts

January 21 2013 16:52 GMT

#17

Don't see the point of the 2 gold minerals, but this type of map is long overdue. I like the way the lowground runs across the entire map stylistically, but I also like the general layout of the expansions. The overview's slightly headache-inducing, but overall I approve.

docvoc

United States5327 Posts

January 21 2013 17:28 GMT

#18

On January 22 2013 01:52 NewSunshine wrote:
Don't see the point of the 2 gold minerals, but this type of map is long overdue. I like the way the lowground runs across the entire map stylistically, but I also like the general layout of the expansions. The overview's slightly headache-inducing, but overall I approve.

I like the map overall, but I feel like the reintroduction of gold bases is a bad idea, that said, I'm not a map maker. Maybe he has an intended purpose for them.

SiskosGoatee

Albania1482 Posts

January 21 2013 17:39 GMT

#19

On January 22 2013 01:45 lorestarcraft wrote:
This gets map gets worse the more I look at it. So awful. It's not creative, it's just bad. Even on maps where the third is harder, it still has to be possible to take it. Ripping half of the strats out of the playbook doesn't improve play. Why doesn't someone from GOM look at the awesome and creative community maps and pick one? They are 10 times better and balanced. Seriously, I am so mad at this.

Because there are apparently people that really like it? Look at this thread for instance?

Why do people always think that everyone shares their opinion. So this is a map that you don't like? Great, it's a free internet, your opinion is your prerogative. I think the map is original, I don't know yet if it will be good but it seeks to achieve a certain specific thing and it seems to do that well. That's my opinion.

This is honestly a plague infesting that mapmaking commuity, so many people are like 'Oh man, this map pool of this tournament sucks because it has at least 3 maps I don't like'. Well, there will always be at least 3 you don 't like because everyone likes different maps.

On January 22 2013 02:28 docvoc wrote:

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I like the map overall, but I feel like the reintroduction of gold bases is a bad idea, that said, I'm not a map maker. Maybe he has an intended purpose for them.

The purpose is clear, he wants it to yield less income than a normal gold base but more than a normal blue base?

Sumadin

Denmark586 Posts

January 21 2013 17:49 GMT

#20

Probably to even it out for terran. The gas itself is a rich vespene so by adding two 2 gold patches it is ofset slightly compared to zergs who go hatch first and then take the rich gas first.

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On January 22 2013 00:36 SiskosGoatee wrote:

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Well he is not exactly basing his intentions on established map science then... do you know how long we have to go back to find 2 player maps with just 4.5 bases on ladder? Season ONE!! You rememper the map pool of utter garbage that everyone critized? And they were all trashed even by Blizzard of yester-yesteryear after just one season baring Xelnaga caverns.