Theres only one big attack path, it splits off but theres a tower there and you can easily spot enemy movements. Ohana has paths through 2 expansion points without rocks, and it cannot be spotted by the towers.

Also I hope its cross spawn only, any other combo of starting locations gives one player an expansion advantage. Nerazim Crypt had that problem. I would say this map is very much like Nerazim Crypt, the differences being the semi-island expos, and the 4 watchtowers were highgrounds and there was no dead space in the middle.

Monochromatic

United States997 Posts

July 15 2012 03:17 GMT

#24

I hate how you can defend bases at only 1 choke. You should move the one ramp back so you have another path into your third.

MarcusRife

343 Posts

November 01 2012 19:29 GMT

#25

I added sneak attack paths that go between the main and center bases. I would love to get some good feedback on how the map looks now.

EatThePath

United States3943 Posts

November 01 2012 21:22 GMT

#26

Now terran can PF the 4th towards a ccw zerg spawn, and without the wide middle-facing ramp, zerg can't hardly do anything about it. Then it's literally one siege tank radius to the zerg's 3rd.

MarcusRife

343 Posts

November 01 2012 21:40 GMT

#27

On November 02 2012 06:22 EatThePath wrote:
Now terran can PF the 4th towards a ccw zerg spawn, and without the wide middle-facing ramp, zerg can't hardly do anything about it. Then it's literally one siege tank radius to the zerg's 3rd.

The intention was that when Zerg spawns ccw they don't take the cw base as their third. They take the ccw third.

EatThePath

United States3943 Posts

November 01 2012 22:50 GMT

#28

On November 02 2012 06:40 MarcusRife wrote:

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The intention was that when Zerg spawns ccw they don't take the cw base as their third. They take the ccw third.

Well then, two tank radii to cutting off the 3rd from the natural and killing either. It just looks broken in the same way but much more severe that XNC was broken, at least for those spawns.

Gfire

United States1699 Posts

November 01 2012 23:03 GMT

#29

I think it'll be way to hard to see stuff in those little corridors behind the double-high cliffs of the mains in some positions. I do like them, though. I wonder if you could get away with pushing the minerals on the high ground middle bases back against the edge some. Or rather, cut away some of the terrain behind them and then get rid of some of the terrain on the far side of the little path so it remains the same size, but a bit away from the main so you don't have vision issues either. That would improve this map for me.

I think the close thirds are a bit too close, though, and open. Seems like you'll just easily secure it if you have a big enough army, and never secure it with a smaller army. Seems like that makes the skill required to take a third very simple, only about army size, not much positioning or other things.

I do really like the addition of those paths though.

MarcusRife

343 Posts

November 01 2012 23:42 GMT

#30

On November 02 2012 08:03 Gfire wrote:
I think it'll be way to hard to see stuff in those little corridors behind the double-high cliffs of the mains in some positions. I do like them, though. I wonder if you could get away with pushing the minerals on the high ground middle bases back against the edge some. Or rather, cut away some of the terrain behind them and then get rid of some of the terrain on the far side of the little path so it remains the same size, but a bit away from the main so you don't have vision issues either. That would improve this map for me.

Good point. I created some space between the path and the main so that there are no vision issues. The entirety of the paths are now visible.

On November 02 2012 08:03 Gfire wrote:
I think the close thirds are a bit too close, though, and open. Seems like you'll just easily secure it if you have a big enough army, and never secure it with a smaller army. Seems like that makes the skill required to take a third very simple, only about army size, not much positioning or other things.

I do really like the addition of those paths though.

I'm not sure what I can do about that. If there are any suggestions I would like to hear them. Hopefully the other interesting features of the map compensate for the dullness of the part you describe.

MarcusRife

343 Posts

November 03 2012 19:39 GMT

#31

I thought about this some more and decided to move the third around a little and I created a area in the natural that helps you control the third area with siege tanks or collosi or whatever else.

Gfire

United States1699 Posts

November 03 2012 20:42 GMT

#32

On November 04 2012 04:39 MarcusRife wrote:

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I thought about this some more and decided to move the third around a little and I created a area in the natural that helps you control the third area with siege tanks or collosi or whatever else.

Ooh, looks cool. It gives it a bit of flavor, don't you think? Feels a little different from other maps now. Not quite like anything else, so I think it would be worth playing on like this.