• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 19:38
CEST 01:38
KST 08:38
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters10[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call8
Community News
StarCraft II 5.0.17 PTR Patch Notes (Sept 30, 2026)53Weekly Cups (Sept 21-27): herO and ByuN double2Weekly Cups (Sep 13-20): herO scores triple3BSL Season 2313Weekly Cups (Sep 7-12): SHIN, ByuN, MaxPax double down1
StarCraft 2
General
How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR? StarCraft II 5.0.17 PTR Patch Notes (Sept 30, 2026) SC4ALL: II SC2 Complete Invited Player Lineup StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon Weekly Cups (Sept 21-27): herO and ByuN double
Tourneys
Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) 2026 GSTL Grand Finals SC2 INu's Battles#21 [ 3-Days tournament ] ScienceCraft (October 24-25) - Live Event
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Sweltering Sands [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 545 And Drops and Rifts Mutation # 544 Double Trouble Mutation # 543 Enhanced Defenses
Brood War
General
Bot on ladder Fantasy returning? BW General Discussion ASL22 General Discussion a Announcement on the JEDI Ringing
Tourneys
[ASL22] Ro8 Day 4 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL22] Ro8 Day 3 [ASL22] Ro8 Day 2
Strategy
Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Replay Review Process - What do you do? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Total Annihilation Zero
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25! Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Artificial Intelligence Thread All you football fans (soccer)!
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The Creator Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Diablo Animated Series on Netflix
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Escaping Into Video Games: G…
TrAiDoS
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
[meme] I finally understa…
LUCKY_NOOB
Regacy Esports:Our Goa…
regacyesports
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 9761 users

[M] 6m FRB Braxis Delta by Barrin - Page 2

Forum Index > SC2 Maps & Custom Games
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 All
See.Blue
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States2673 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-02 21:42:12
April 02 2012 21:37 GMT
#21
I have to say, I don't like this map superficially compared to some of your others, Barrin. It feels almost contrived, in that very Shakuras-y way for half-map vs. half-map endgames. I don't know a lot about mapmaking- even some of the discussion above while I can understand I certainly don't belong as a part of so I'll refrain from suggesting things, but this map seems very partitioned almost, and while I'm all for epic lategames, the base layout just doesn't strike me, from a spectator's standpoint as being very engaging.

Edit: I hope this is helpful, it's tough to articulate haha.
Nerski
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1095 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-03 08:18:12
April 03 2012 00:40 GMT
#22
I guess the best way I could exemplify that ZvP would be an issue due to the power of the gold base. Is with pictures as they say, "a picture is worth a thousand words".

From your braxis replays income level at 50 harversters on 3 base for zerg 2 blue and one gold.

[image loading]

Income for zerg on 3 base and 60 drones on korhal compound

[image loading]

As you can see the income levels are near identical though on korhal I have more mineral patches available and 10 additional drones. The match up/suppy is irrelevant what matters is the income levels.

So what's the point? The point is that compared to the normal 8m2g meta game....

Zerg Player: Has to do less to be in the same situation they would normally be in ZvP on 60 drones and 3 bases economically speaking.

Protoss Player: Has to do more to be in the same situation they would normally be in ZvP on 2bases economically speaking. (the 3rd nexus drop)

So if the Zerg player is required to do less, and the protoss player is required to do more. This is going to favor the Zerg player in every way shape and form. Thusly making the gold base location an issue moving forward as it's giving the Zerg player an advantage just comparing to the current meta game and map structure.

Remove the Gold Base or Move it: Zerg has to take a 4th as an additional step to get to the same point, and the game is even.

I think it's pretty clear cut that the gold base is/will be an issue and needs to be addressed. This all just based on statistics which are a very reliable indicator as to how things will play out.

I looked at the replays since you mentioned them as proof that it seems fine. Being blunt the level of play in those game is bad, which invalidates them as proof of concept. You have to have cleaner build timings, macro, and decision making to accurately test a maps balance.

In case you would argue they do....I can put 2players on Steppes of War one Platinum Zerg and one Gold Terran. The Zerg player could very well win 9 out of 10 at this level of play just by making less bad decisions. We know however at the highest level of play the Terran will win 9 out of 10 games because the map is terribly in favor of T.

I think it's worth saying the only reason I'm being a bit of a pain is I like the FRB concept, but if you test it on a map with issues you won't get great results.
Twitter: @GoForNerski /// Youtube: Youtube.com/nerskisc
Randomaccount#77123
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States5003 Posts
April 04 2012 16:41 GMT
#23
--- Nuked ---
EatThePath
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States3943 Posts
April 10 2012 03:02 GMT
#24
Where is this promised OP update?? =p
Comprehensive strategic intention: DNE
Randomaccount#77123
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States5003 Posts
April 10 2012 03:30 GMT
#25
--- Nuked ---
Gfire
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1699 Posts
April 14 2012 22:45 GMT
#26
That sort of tower doodad on the left side backdoor expansion is kinda distracting and gets in the way for me as a spectator. It would be nice if you could swap that out for a shorter doodad.

Anyway, I think the proportions on this map are better than I had originally thought when I first saw it. It seems really nice. Great job.
all's fair in love and melodies
Prev 1 2 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 22m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SpeCial 156
Vindicta 25
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 10358
Artosis 573
Rain 173
Bale 14
League of Legends
Doublelift4346
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox780
Mew2King140
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor920
Other Games
summit1g8356
JimRising 723
shahzam589
Day[9].tv443
PiGStarcraft120
NeuroSwarm77
ArmadaUGS71
ViBE54
JuggernautJason40
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV215
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream90
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 44
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• blackmanpl 33
• HerbMon 22
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Other Games
• imaqtpie772
• Scarra523
• Day9tv443
• Shiphtur193
Upcoming Events
OSC
22m
Stellar Fest
13h 22m
OSC
22h 22m
CranKy Ducklings
1d 10h
Online Event
1d 11h
FEL
1d 16h
AI Arena Tournament
1d 17h
BSL: Ladder Tournament
1d 19h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
INu's Battles
2 days
herO vs Classic
Percival vs Rogue
[ Show More ]
BSL Open Qualifier
2 days
BSL Open Qualifier
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
Rush vs Light
WardiTV Weekly
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
Soma vs Soulkey
INu's Battles
4 days
SHIN vs Cure
ByuN vs Zoun
PiGosaur Cup
5 days
The PondCast
6 days
INu's Battles
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-09-30
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Calamity Invitational

Ongoing

ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual

Upcoming

Acropolis #5 - GSB
Acropolis #5 - GSC
BSL Season 23
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Custodian Cup
Copium Cup
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.