[M] (2) Oceanic Mountain - Page 3

On February 28 2012 14:27 StaY.qL wrote:I played some games tonight on it.. 1 with Terran and 2 with Toss. good wall-off options, after work i'll try it with zerg.
But the gold is nearly untakekable.. duno if it's even necessary 'cause there are 5 bases for both... and maps without gold being higher in de­mand than maps with gold expansion... at least in the higher leagues/pro scene
But the first impression of the Map is really good

On February 29 2012 15:38 midnight.tokyo wrote:
Apologies for the double post but the map has now been uploaded to SEA and NA by Akinokaze under the name 'Oceanic Mountain'.

On February 29 2012 18:30 Baumvieh wrote:
I played a couple of AI v AI and me v AI games on the map:
The AI often loses to the other AI because they don't seem to scout efficiently(often they don't scout at all), missing each other armies while taking different paths to the other side (AI seems to like silly all-ins without leaving any protection whatsoever behind at their own base).

I lost most AI games(on very hard) due to not expanding quickly enough or due to having an insufficiently small army.

On February 29 2012 18:30 Baumvieh wrote:
Now to the issues that need fixing for 0.7, just summing them up here from what has been said:

• make more room in the natural to prevent accidental building over only possible nexus position
  
• change gap between main and third to disallow pylon based warp in in PvP
  
• fix reaper path-finding between main and third (they currently don't seem to find the outer ledge to go around those trees in the small gap and instead they keep walking around randomly in front of the gap even though the whole gap is marked unpathable)
  
• fix a couple of minor asymmetries (one of which affects cliff walking shortest path between bases)

I think I also want to change something about the middle of the map again.

More precisely, I'm thinking of adding a lake or a small cliff wall to seperate the gold bases, so they would become a bit easier to take and defend(they'd still be very exposed to the north/south).

Maybe I even make it so that the middle does not completely seperate them but so it will have a really narrow path there to disallow a ball of death army from just quickly strolling over to take out the gold base on the side.

On February 29 2012 18:49 SeinGalton wrote:
Hello.

I really like what you're doing with this map, your disciplined and iterative approach is really paying dividends. The map seems, as far as I can tell, to do a decent job of enabling a wide range of styles: I see both turtle styles and highly aggressive, counter attacking styles being both viable and fun.

I'm concerned about the gold bases a little in that they might enable turtle styles too much: they're placed in locations you'd want your army to be in any case, and I don't see a Zerg or a Protoss busting down the rocks early on. So it seems they'd only really be beneficial to Terran and some Protoss Death ball styles vs Zerg in the late game. But this is purely speculation. I'm going to look for it when I get home and play a couple of games on it.

I like it, keep it up!

On March 01 2012 01:38 midnight.tokyo wrote:
Haha no problem, I've applied for a name change to Akinokaze actually so I might not be under this name for much longer With the exception of the two things you mention I don't think there any more glaring issues that need to be addressed.

Edit: Can't quite tell on the overview, but did you replace some of the Overlord Pedestals with doodads or just put them on top? (yes, they actually do serve a purpose in case you weren't aware )

On February 29 2012 18:30 Baumvieh wrote:
Thank you for playing. I would love to see the replays for evaluation (and perhaps for adding some replays to the main post of this thread if that's ok with you).

On March 01 2012 13:15 dudecrush wrote:
This map is really nice!

Small suggestion: move the watchtowers closer to the center of the map so they down cover the exit to the third. It's nice to have some areas that aren't covered by towers.

On March 02 2012 06:10 sorrowptoss wrote:
I like that the gold bases are seigeable, though based on my principals, gold bases shouldn't exist .
The surface that a player must control on 3 bases is huge, like Cloud Kingdom LE, which I don't really like.
The destructible rocks between the nat and the 3rd are a little wierd in my opinion. Like I said, the surface to be convered is already huge, but adding a 3rd entrance to the threshold is just a little too much.
There's no space to fly mutas/drops/banshees/warp prisms/etc behind the main, since the ground goes all the way to the edge of the map.
Thanks for reading my picky remarks!

On March 02 2012 07:22 TibblesEvilCat wrote:
can you blink from 3rd base? warpin

On March 02 2012 06:10 sorrowptoss wrote:
Thanks for reading my picky remarks!

On March 02 2012 15:27 Akinokaze wrote:Yes, you can currently warp/blink in to the main without any additional vision. This will hopefully be fixed in the next update.

On March 05 2012 13:25 StaY.qL wrote:
Did you get my PM baumvieh??
I see no replays in your posts

On March 05 2012 14:57 Baumvieh wrote:
No I didn't get any PM from you, try sending it again. I only got replays from Akinokaze so far. My own replays are too boring to show (against AI).

Tomorrow (actually today, been up all night again), I'll publish 1.0 and then I'll add any replays I have gotten so far to the main post (will of course keep adding replays if I get more). But now, sleep.