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[UMS] Macro Or Die - The Competitive Macro Trainer - Page 8

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dydtaylor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States12 Posts
May 09 2011 04:22 GMT
#141
Is there any way to get the map to not level me down if I'm going to do a 10 overlord extractor trick?
_Major
Profile Joined April 2011
United States107 Posts
May 09 2011 04:56 GMT
#142
On May 09 2011 13:22 dydtaylor wrote:
Is there any way to get the map to not level me down if I'm going to do a 10 overlord extractor trick?


It doesn't level you down, it just won't level you up because you will stay supply blocked for too long. Please don't sweat the early point differences, I promise you that the effect it will have on your overall score is negligible that early in the game. The score is based on your average level.
Do you practice on Macro Or Die maps? You should - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=216550
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
May 09 2011 21:08 GMT
#143
I'm having a fantastic time playing this. I usually warm up with a few custom vs computer matches just to remember to build supply depots.

This is so much better

But I am worried it will detract from my game intelligence in the short term. Right now I'm feeling the burn from bad macro.
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
May 09 2011 21:40 GMT
#144
Cant wait for this on the EU servers it looks really good
_Major
Profile Joined April 2011
United States107 Posts
May 10 2011 00:08 GMT
#145
On May 10 2011 06:08 Probe1 wrote:
I'm having a fantastic time playing this. I usually warm up with a few custom vs computer matches just to remember to build supply depots.

This is so much better

But I am worried it will detract from my game intelligence in the short term. Right now I'm feeling the burn from bad macro.


Your first couple of Macro Or Die replays will show that you made stupid mistakes that you wouldn't have normally made, provided you are playing against an opponent somewhat close to you in skill. Scouting is probably the first thing to go. This is because you are completely focused on not getting nuked. It is a good thing! You are learning something new, so you will have to make room for it in your game sense.

After this break-in period, you don't even worry about nukes anymore. You're now concentrating more on keeping your level high. 1 or 2 more games of chasing the Grandmaster label and you remember that it's still all about winning! It is at this point that you're able to combine the old and new while playing. At the very least, you are more aware of your economy and supply when you play. There are some other side effects I have noticed:

  • My scouting is much more informative. I'm more aware of my opponent's economy and supply now, and what that means in the current situation.
  • My play is not 100% reactive. I'm now able to produce based on the best way to hurt my opponent instead of the best way to deflect their attack and counter.
  • I can engage in battle, expand, and reinforce without falling behind; and a lot of times pulling ahead because the other guy isn't playing like he'll get nuked if he slips up.


The downside, and this just requires playing more games to get over, is that the constant feedback becomes a very good tool to help your pacing. The best way I can describe this is that it's similar to running/biking while listening to music versus doing it with no music. It's much easier to pace yourself with music than it is without; and most people prefer it (just watch the streams). They still are just as fast and capable without the music though, they just have to stay focused on the race at hand.
Do you practice on Macro Or Die maps? You should - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=216550
twiitar
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany372 Posts
May 10 2011 13:00 GMT
#146
Can't find them on EU, would love to play them. :/
Sjk0
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United Kingdom15 Posts
May 11 2011 16:18 GMT
#147
Would love to see this on EU
spacebarbarian
Profile Joined March 2011
United States70 Posts
May 12 2011 18:02 GMT
#148
Is there a way to restart the game yet ? I Would love to be able to type "-r" or "-reset" in chat and have the map start from fresh. They have this option in YABOT, makes it easy to start fresh after you make a big error and dont want to continue
t-zain hwaiting!
silverstone12
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom13 Posts
May 12 2011 18:56 GMT
#149
as someone who has been in bronze league since i got the game on release day, i would love to be able to try this map

any chance of seeing it on EU servers?
_Major
Profile Joined April 2011
United States107 Posts
May 12 2011 18:57 GMT
#150
I'm working on it. Got sidetracked trying to figure out how to localize strings for EU. Is there anyone that could offer assistance with how to do this in a NA editor?
Do you practice on Macro Or Die maps? You should - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=216550
fyndor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States159 Posts
May 12 2011 20:26 GMT
#151
On May 13 2011 03:57 _Major wrote:
I'm working on it. Got sidetracked trying to figure out how to localize strings for EU. Is there anyone that could offer assistance with how to do this in a NA editor?


Personally I just tell it to be the same for all locales, I guess I am just mean to non-Englishers

Btw, I pimped your maps on reddit today http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/h9wup/use_macro_or_die_maps_to_help_improve_macro/
nitesoul
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada71 Posts
May 12 2011 20:38 GMT
#152
lol wow just read that blizz very hard=greentea medium? i was just playing greentea very hard, that was ludicrous, the thing was playing with over 600 apm o.O
_Major
Profile Joined April 2011
United States107 Posts
May 12 2011 20:58 GMT
#153
On May 13 2011 05:38 nitesoul wrote:
lol wOw just read that blizz very hard=greentea medium? i was just playing greentea very hard, that was ludicrous, the thing was playing with over 600 apm o.O


Blizz Very Hard = GT Very Easy
Do you practice on Macro Or Die maps? You should - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=216550
Ghosthawk
Profile Joined May 2010
Mexico42 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-12 22:50:44
May 12 2011 22:44 GMT
#154
Hey Just tried this map its awesome tho i am an low diamond player I got grandmaster type macro according to this map O_O lol here is the replay

http://replayfu.com/r/NL0n5t

edit oh yeah i didn't know wtf was going on at the end he said something like he lost and if i wanted to play another so my natural reaction was to say gg lol so it ended the game i was like FUUUUU
_Major
Profile Joined April 2011
United States107 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-13 02:04:36
May 13 2011 02:03 GMT
#155
On May 13 2011 07:44 Ghosthawk wrote:
Hey Just tried this map its awesome tho i am an low diamond player I got grandmaster type macro according to this map O_O lol here is the replay

http://replayfu.com/r/NL0n5t

edit oh yeah i didn't know wtf was going on at the end he said something like he lost and if i wanted to play another so my natural reaction was to say gg lol so it ended the game i was like FUUUUU



Good Game Ghosthawk, and thank you for the replay. I saw that you preemptively typed 'gg'. One or two more secs and it would have given you the win automatically.

Have you tried Hard difficulty yet? Medium is a great practice difficulty for Bronze and Silver players because it allows for a lot more mistakes, but still is challenging enough.

Hard seems like it would be more challenging for you. There were instances where you weren't mining gas on your natural, you were distance mining, and you were at 130-140/200 supply for a very long time. The more difficult AIs will help you be more efficient in these areas.
Do you practice on Macro Or Die maps? You should - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=216550
Fyresoul
Profile Joined March 2011
United States26 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-13 07:54:59
May 13 2011 07:40 GMT
#156
These are amazing maps!
Is there a set timer when it checks for the constraints? Because it seems like I have my builds timed to pop out my first queens pretty much right before then causing me to get a red X for that check, or my larvae will have just popped on my natural's hatch and as I'm going to inject the round scores.

Not a big deal, but a bit annoying when you've pressed 'V' and the round scores before you click your hatch.

Also my friend and I 2v'd against 2 easy random AIs on Tal'Darim Altar LE, the Zerg 6-pooled and the Protoss just did a 2-gate expand. It's like they planned it
Edit for replay:
Fyresoul, sohcahtoa vs Computer, Computer
setmeal
Profile Joined March 2011
162 Posts
May 13 2011 09:51 GMT
#157
any chance we can get this on the SEA server? Thanks in advance!
Pamposek
Profile Joined April 2011
Czech Republic56 Posts
May 13 2011 09:52 GMT
#158
Sooner you will put it on EU we stop spam you to do this ;-)
We are the swarm!
Ctuchik
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden91 Posts
May 13 2011 12:23 GMT
#159
Do you still need help localizing strings? Would love to have this on EU!
http://twitter.com/sc2statistics
TheDeli
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France110 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-13 14:54:49
May 13 2011 14:53 GMT
#160
*rages at the Chronoboost nuke*
Let's say I have all tech structures and everything researched. It still punishes me for having nothing to chronoboost ._. And if I chrono a non-working building, it just nukes it. Dilemma much?

Help ._.

*on the flipside*
Never had I spent my resources this efficiently. Curse you nukes ._. (reached cushion 9x)
Just do it.
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