EPT[UMS] (AOS) City of Tempest - Page 10
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Vod.kaholic
United States1052 Posts
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kimiokimio
Chile1 Post
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assajocuna
Korea (South)125 Posts
Armor system has changed since that replay. The way it is now is percentage deduction. Characters with high health property(you can look at character status if you put your mouse cursour on their wireframe image or when the game starts you see them on the character selection box) they gain about 300 hp if you put 1 point of mineral on health. Those are most likely melee. Most of the magician class has 1/5 or 2/5 health status. So they don't gain as much hp as melee heroes with 4/5 or 5/5 health status. It can be better to put points on armor instead since it gives you 2% all damage deduction for any character. If you buy all the armor pack and invest a lot of points in armor, it'll give around 50% armor. (depending on some heroes, you can get high upto 70% or so) Lurrcellant hook has been talked many times in korea for being imba. But there are many ways to get over him so surprisingly in tournaments, i haven't seen much domination (actually just saw 2 in the last tournament and didn't do well. Zeros and blade hunter owned them hard). Depending on this tournament result, we might see some more balance tweak. Right now everything might seem imba since it's just the beginning stage and there aren't many good players. I hope this replay help out a bit. I'll try and post other replays with different characters. Anyone have any request on which characters they want to see in high level? | ||
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assajocuna
Korea (South)125 Posts
The replay was done on korean version of starcraft2, you normally you can see how many points they put into their status, but somehow it doesn't show if you run the replay from different language. The map from the replay is the same map in NA server called "C.T - City of Tempest" It'll be up on EU server soon. Other then those places, you can't play  | ||
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assajocuna
Korea (South)125 Posts
1. Always selected either 1 or more in a game (strong candidates getting nuffed next version) -Zeros, Lur-Cellant 2. Selected quite a lot (Very strong, probably best place to start since most of em are easy to get started) -Duran, Blade Hunter, Drago, Ron, Dark Fact 3. Average or little above average (used often but nowhere near imba) -Zava, Black Wyvern, Mighty Monk, Force Fire, Soul Hunter, Genesic Hunter, Janne D'arc 4. Seldom gets picked but they are not weak (especially Hades is really strong) -Berr.Nine, Megagunzord, Dwarf King, Guard Fire, Hades, ZeDait 5. Below Average, hard to see in nonpub rooms. -Phantom, Sylon, Chimera, Brie This just gives you brief image of how it is in high level game. There is a lot of debate going on about Lur-Cellant's hook being imba. Probably depending on next week's big tournament in korea, there might be a nuff. | ||
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assajocuna
Korea (South)125 Posts
.. .crap. whenever we get the cdkey, it'll be up right away) | ||
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Vod.kaholic
United States1052 Posts
Edit: Without necessarily picking another really high tier character. | ||
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StutteR
United States1903 Posts
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assajocuna
Korea (South)125 Posts
Stay in the watch tower, he has to come near creep to attack, so whenever you see him moving towards creep, use your aoe skill on him when he is near his own creep. This way you attack both him and the creeps for exp. Make his life low, he'll have to run back to recover making you more time to lvl up. Lur-cellant is pretty weak when he is behind lvl. All his skill are close ranged (maybe except one which sucks on far range) and you won't die fast from his hooks (so when he finished attacking, and you survive, you can kill him instead). It's all about controlling the beginning stage. Occupying watch tower is important. Watch everything he does. If he knows he has hard time creeping, he'll most likely hit boxes or trucks. Just last hit steal them. If you play melee heroes, kill him early before he gets hook and becomes strong. Invest mineral on health point. (gives around 300 hp per mineral for melee heroes except Zeros who has low health) If you survive his hook + combination, you can kill him before he finsishes you with a mana potion. He doesn't have a ulti so after hook + 2-3 attacks, he won't deal much damage on you, where as if you play melee, you would have ulti that would do big damage. Also if he wants to kill you with hook combo, he'll most likely have to use potion. So when you invested some point on health for melee hereoes, they won't die at same lvl with hook combo, if you think you can beat him, go ahead, if not you can run away. Try to make him waste mana potions early. 350 gas early is critical) | ||
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Vod.kaholic
United States1052 Posts
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Kanil
United States1713 Posts
I'm wondering why he's bottom tier? The Genesic kinda kicked my ass a bit, but I blame that more on my inability to accurately aim my spells on such a fast unit than anything else, really. Is there some weakness Phantom has that can be exploited? I realize the quality of player in pub games tends to be awful, but he didn't seem bottom tier. | ||
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Sarang
Australia2363 Posts
On January 09 2011 00:02 Kanil wrote: I played a few games of this as Phantom today. I went something like 75-5, all 5 deaths due to a Genesic that I couldn't handle. Otherwise, the guy seems remarkably good. Very fast, excellent range, incredible DPS -- his spell cooldowns are so short. I'm wondering why he's bottom tier? The Genesic kinda kicked my ass a bit, but I blame that more on my inability to accurately aim my spells on such a fast unit than anything else, really. Is there some weakness Phantom has that can be exploited? I realize the quality of player in pub games tends to be awful, but he didn't seem bottom tier. I was wondering the same thing after a game I played today. Another guy had the Phantom and did pretty well for himself. He didn't dominate, but he did really well. And I've seen Phantoms dominate before. Perhaps he's really strong for newer players, but not so much for pros? Personally I'm really liking Force Fire at the moment. I enjoy Lur Cellant, but I don't like playing as a character who's possibly imba. Being able to throw down ten flame turrets is just awesome. ^^ | ||
gforsi
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
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BrTarolg
United Kingdom3579 Posts
how is that bottom tier his lategame is so good, so much hp and pretty much just has the most redic DPS ever i guess hes easy to kill early on maybe? | ||
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Serendipityx
United States595 Posts
On January 08 2011 17:32 assajocuna wrote: Somebody wrote this in korean forum. It's the character usage in non-pub games (including clan battles). People new to this game can choose what to start with (give u an idea which heroes are strong). 1. Always selected either 1 or more in a game (strong candidates getting nuffed next version) -Zeros, Lur-Cellant 2. Selected quite a lot (Very strong, probably best place to start since most of em are easy to get started) -Duran, Blade Hunter, Drago, Ron, Dark Fact 3. Average or little above average (used often but nowhere near imba) -Zava, Black Wyvern, Mighty Monk, Force Fire, Soul Hunter, Genesic Hunter, Janne D'arc 4. Seldom gets picked but they are not weak (especially Hades is really strong) -Berr.Nine, Megagunzord, Dwarf King, Guard Fire, Hades, ZeDait 5. Below Average, hard to see in nonpub rooms. -Phantom, Sylon, Chimera, Brie This just gives you brief image of how it is in high level game. There is a lot of debate going on about Lur-Cellant's hook being imba. Probably depending on next week's big tournament in korea, there might be a nuff. What exactly makes zeros overpowered, I've tried him a few times and he doesn't seem that great compared to Lur Cellant which like completely dominates everyone. | ||
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Sarang
Australia2363 Posts
On January 09 2011 06:25 ChaosTriggeR wrote: What exactly makes zeros overpowered, I've tried him a few times and he doesn't seem that great compared to Lur Cellant which like completely dominates everyone. I've played against good Zeros's a few times, his skills are ridiculously powerful and he can kill you in a matter of seconds. Perhaps Lur Cellant is better, but Zeros is still incredibly strong. | ||
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Serendipityx
United States595 Posts
On January 09 2011 10:27 Moonloop wrote: I've played against good Zeros's a few times, his skills are ridiculously powerful and he can kill you in a matter of seconds. Perhaps Lur Cellant is better, but Zeros is still incredibly strong. Which skills are you referring to because it could be that I'm just using him wrong. | ||
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GenesisX
Canada4267 Posts
Awesome skills + force fields + can get away so easily. | ||
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Serejai
6007 Posts
I've only had two games get past the 10 minute mark so far, and that's only because I screwed around a lot... ended up 37-0 and killed them entirely with missile launches in one of them. Do we have enough NA players to get an inhouse game going? | ||
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