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On January 05 2011 19:32 vulture7 wrote:
One small problem with this game is that when you learn a stat/skill with your mineral, the hero stops whatever he was doing (ie, stops moving or attacking, etc). Other than that, the game is so much fun :D. Thank you so much for uploading this to N.A server.
YES.
Oh god, I've been nuked a few times when I upgraded some skills while running back to the restoration building. -_-
I think I might play tonight and try out some melee heroes. assajocuna (I hope I spelt that right) tore shit up with the firebat hero ... maybe I'll try him out. xD
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Hey i remember you two  justin and moonloop from games. Pretty good playing for only 4 days so far.
Yeah the upgrade stat makes all your action stop. But you can get used to it.
(gotta think what should i put on? 2 mana? ok tab r tab r, while doing this i gotta continue
moving with my mouse)
Force Fire (the firebat) is pretty good during the start~middle stage of the game and does
average in late game. He does have a lot of HP (one of the highest).
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Can't get off of Soul Hunter and the Hybrid-guy with the MASSIVE psi-storm (and the double-bounce nuke), hahah.
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Matsubara.406
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One of the two games I played yesterday had a Justin in it, he went like 15-0 with medic dude. I got close to killing him a few times with some missile strike ambushes (I was reaper dude - lookAghost) but it's hard to kill someone when they're 6 levels ahead lol.
What's up with the card shop - are some of them temporary buffs? How many cards can you have at a time? And the security soldiers on either side of the map, what are they good for besides xp?
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You can buy as many card buffs as you want. Just need money (and it only lasts few minutes so normally it's used for end game when you bought all the items, or you can buy just 1 if you need to destroy buildings faster)
The security soldiers and the dump trucks on the side are for people who are having trouble lvling up (getting ganked too much). You can sort of lvl up safe there. The exp isn't that bad.
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how are you supposed to survive against those crazy dps heroes??
I play random, and when I get one of the 2 DT or the zealot or even the ghost sniper girl, I 2 hit everything and go 20-2
While if I get the guy on the void ray or that tentacle dude I'll never do half as good, and if im against any of those crazy dps guys all I can do is dodge them because they will kill me if I get close
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You're supposed to dodge them and nuke them back. Almost every hero in the game has crazy nuking power, it's a matter of who can start rolling sooner (who gets fed more). This game punishes teams with bad players more than almost any other game of its sort. By end-game it tends to be a skillshot dodge fest with players dodging each others' skillshots while trying to land their own.
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On January 06 2011 05:47 Southlight wrote:
You're supposed to dodge them and nuke them back. Almost every hero in the game has crazy nuking power, it's a matter of who can start rolling sooner (who gets fed more). This game punishes teams with bad players more than almost any other game of its sort. By end-game it tends to be a skillshot dodge fest with players dodging each others' skillshots while trying to land their own.
What you are saying goes against my last 12 matches, the crazy dps guys can charge and slowdown, my teammates we're mostly new and had barely any kills yet I won by myself
with the zealot you can do rampage and his aoe that slow you down and you are fucked(how can you dodge rampage anyway????)
the DT with knight mode can slow down with his throwing knives and then rape you with knight mode
the other DT has a AOE that slow down too if i remember right and his purple attack of doom will own you (that one is dodgeable so it's not as bad)
the sniper girl sniped me for 4.5k then finished me with her aoe lightning thing
the tentacle dude had no real way to do dps, all I could do was some lightning thing that would slow down ppl running after me, but 2 of my 3 attacks were close ranged and my dps sucked compared to the DT with his purple attack of doom
Except one time, all my teammates had 0-10 scores or like 3-8 scores and we still won because I had 20 kills by myself because of the crazy dps heroes(I can take 3 ppl at once, ive won many 2vs1), but when I had the tentacle guy and the voidray dude, I went 3-8 because the zealot or DT would solo me easily.
The only time It happened like you said was when it was DT with the purple thing of doom vs DT with the purple thing of doom, all the other time it was a one sided rape from the high dps heroes
thats why i'm asking how to survive against those
Edit: Which heroes would counter the high dps heroes?
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On January 05 2011 00:29 Southlight wrote:
I'm not sure if it's a bug or intended, but when I have a party of 3 I can't "join" games, I can only create, which means when I roll with 3 it's by default a ridiculous advantage for me and my friends.
Re-quoting because this is a fairly large issue IMO.
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On January 06 2011 08:07 Southlight wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2011 00:29 Southlight wrote:
I'm not sure if it's a bug or intended, but when I have a party of 3 I can't "join" games, I can only create, which means when I roll with 3 it's by default a ridiculous advantage for me and my friends. Re-quoting because this is a fairly large issue IMO.
It's like that in every game afaik
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dont the teams get randomized anyway? i was in a game with janook and tkedoop yesterday and i'm pretty sure the teams got jumbled when the game started anyway
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Knight mode or rampage mode (every mode for melee heroes) are normally only used in pubs in korea. In high level clan battle nobody uses them but get the ultimate instead.
To beat them, remember they are all melee and they have to come near you to hit.
Aim well, slow, stun trap, if your hero doesn't have those skills, stay in watch towers or
just push towers with your ally. And always think how could i kill those melee heroes fast?
Always have a mana potion and when you see them coming to take the watch tower position
you are in, drink mana potion and nuke them while they can't see you.
If you don't want to die fast, always take watch tower position. The game is about fighting
over watch towers, and pushing the lane, destroying buildings faster. Never stop
hunting creeps, or destroying all the trucks, boxes you see. Those trucks give you pretty
big exp in the beginning. Buy HP, shield packs when you have good amount mana regen/etc to survive. By the end of lvl 10 you would want at least 3K. BTW the tentacle dude does the most
DPS against buildings. It's not that good for hero killing. Destroy buildings fast and get advantage in lvl ahead of the opponent. Every hero has their strong point, you just have to figure it out
and practice.
Trust me the balance is pretty good, almost every character is used widely in korean tournaments.
There are always ways to beat certain play. MOST IMPORTANT TIP: take watch tower position
whenever you can, walk in between them when you go towards enemy base. When you see enemy coming near you, and you think you can't kill him, then stim and run away. There are blink characters, charge characters, long range trap characters so you have to think and act fast.
PS. sniping skill does 1k~2k damage average on max lvl atk stat. It can do around 4K damage but only comes out 10% of the time. Once she use that skill and throw out a bomb, you don't have
any good damage you can deal after that. So she pretty much sucks in the later stage
of the game. The other skill you can learn which is BM gun is better in the late stage.
If you choose sniping, you have to get that early advantage and get lvl ahead of everyone or
else she sucks in the later stage.
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It's so hard to find a game with people who actually know how to play, I've only had one game in the last 5 where people on both teams have a clue.
It's very boring when the game is so one sided, and it does seem to take a long time to end when that happens.
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Nothing we can do about that  Just gotta wait until more and more people play.
Maybe i can ask maxstorm to add link to this thread on the title page of the game so people can read about the strats and gameplay. If i can post a replay, maybe it would help a lot.
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Game is hella fun but some of the heros are just absolutley ridiculously strong. Had a game where this other guy was the zealot and we needed to 3v1 him just to break even usually @ levle 25. Was insane. Played as the hybrid one game and I was able to do about the same thing as well.
Wish the heros were a bit beefier or something so you're not just spamming skills and hoping the other guy dies before he can press his abilities.
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yeah most of the heroes are good, while playing random I got the reaper, the guy on the scout, and the dragon
Went 30-2 with the scout guy, the reaper and dragon are really fun to play with
Melee work like that sadly, rush in and hope you dps him before he dps you, try the reaper or dragon
Edit: I can understand why melee rushes isn't as good after playing with those 3 heroes
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lol just had a game where I randomed the Zealot... and two guys on the other team picked him as well.
Archons... Archons everywhere.
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On January 06 2011 08:42 ChickenLips wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2011 08:07 Southlight wrote:On January 05 2011 00:29 Southlight wrote:
I'm not sure if it's a bug or intended, but when I have a party of 3 I can't "join" games, I can only create, which means when I roll with 3 it's by default a ridiculous advantage for me and my friends. Re-quoting because this is a fairly large issue IMO. It's like that in every game afaik
FML.
Bnet2.0, making team games unfair forever. Sigh.
We've started leaving as a team like 15 minutes into a game because we usually have a retarded lead by that point, it's almost impossible for the other team to have three competent players while we have three guys who've played games with each other for years and have like 4000 DotA/LoL games under our belts -_-
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On January 06 2011 13:01 Southlight wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2011 08:42 ChickenLips wrote:On January 06 2011 08:07 Southlight wrote:On January 05 2011 00:29 Southlight wrote:
I'm not sure if it's a bug or intended, but when I have a party of 3 I can't "join" games, I can only create, which means when I roll with 3 it's by default a ridiculous advantage for me and my friends. Re-quoting because this is a fairly large issue IMO. It's like that in every game afaik FML. Bnet2.0, making team games unfair forever. Sigh. We've started leaving as a team like 15 minutes into a game because we usually have a retarded lead by that point, it's almost impossible for the other team to have three competent players while we have three guys who've played games with each other for years and have like 4000 DotA/LoL games under our belts -_-
so wait for blizzard dota!
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uh... unless they make fundamental changes to Bnet 2.0 between now and then, Blizzard's DotA clone is going to be just as bad.
To be fair though, the old Bnet didn't have matchmaking for custom games either.
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