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Koagel
Profile Joined October 2010
Austria167 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-11 13:57:35
November 07 2010 18:18 GMT
#1
Big S-Isle

In the beginning, I just wanted to make a map that is remotely based on Xel'Nage Caverns. Then I started to change stuff, the origin is not really obvious now, the placing of the golds and the thirds is still kinda similar though.

I ended up with a map with quite a long ground distance that can be significantly shortened by destroying some rocks. Naming this one was easy, lol.

1.1 up on EU

1.1:
Removed the Xel'Naga towers, made the mains bigger, added rocks and LOS-blockers to the golds.
Also made the middle part a bit bigger and the doodads beneath the cliffs smaller to let the cliffs look higher.
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dezi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany1536 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-07 20:07:42
November 07 2010 18:48 GMT
#2
I would like the blocked paths much more if the watchtowers don't cover these.

//edit
Mains look quite small and it seems that one can siege those expos in the mid?

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What textures you meshed together? ^^
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Antares777
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1971 Posts
November 07 2010 19:13 GMT
#3
Oh my god, this actually looks like and island. I mean it's like the most realistic island-looking map I've seen, great job on the aesthetics!

neobowman
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3324 Posts
November 07 2010 19:23 GMT
#4
Oh god, the map looks absolutely beautiful. I mean holy shit that looks freakin stunning. That deco is ridculously good.

Doesn't look like gameplay would be good but I'd play it just for the aesthetics.
Superouman
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
France2195 Posts
November 07 2010 19:49 GMT
#5
Really beautiful but where do you build your base?
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zingmars
Profile Joined April 2010
Latvia189 Posts
November 07 2010 20:02 GMT
#6
On November 08 2010 04:49 Superouman wrote:
Really beautiful but where do you build your base?

near the minerals of course. where did you thought you needed to build it?
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dezi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany1536 Posts
November 07 2010 20:07 GMT
#7
He means space-wise i think because the main actually looks very tiny.
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EatThePath
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States3943 Posts
November 07 2010 20:30 GMT
#8
Extraordinary visuals!

You could easily tweak to accommodate the complaints and you'd have a winner. My personal gripe: the watchtowers seem way too secure, and provide so much security. Are they really needed? Could they be accessed from the center instead? At least adjust so they don't cover that DR side path.

On November 08 2010 04:23 neobowman wrote:
... I'd play it just for the aesthetics.


Definitely.

S stands for Serpentine right?
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BoomStevo
Profile Joined August 2010
United States332 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-07 21:20:27
November 07 2010 21:05 GMT
#9
I'm going to have to agree with everyone else here. Looks great, as usual, but the layout could use a little help. Mains are small. 5th(?) can be sieged from main. Towers oversee sneaky path. Etc.

I can tell you did the symmetry by hand. The map analyzer image highlights the differences. Especially when it labels two different Thirds for the top and bottom. It makes it look nicer (more natural) when things aren't exactly symmetrical, but watch out for micro symmetrical imbalances.

Also, I think you could come up with a better name.
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GinDo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
3327 Posts
November 07 2010 21:06 GMT
#10
This map made me Happy.

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Koagel
Profile Joined October 2010
Austria167 Posts
November 07 2010 22:31 GMT
#11
Wow, so many comments. Most of the textures are from Meinhoff, just added some grass and brown dirt.

Hm, the mains are too small, true. Can be changed. Means I have to do some detail work again, but that's not too much of a problem. I like the idea of making the watchtowers accessible from the center. Will do that.
I actually thought players would take the fifth that is closer to their own main, when the rocks are down it should be defendable.
I did the symmetry partially by hand, just mirrored a very crude basic layout.

Thanks for all the propositions, I know I still have a lot to learn, and I'll try to address these issues.
Samro225am
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany982 Posts
November 07 2010 22:58 GMT
#12
i like the general layout a lot, but the bases look really small.

the pathway blocked by rocks looks quite nice, but i am unsure if I'd try to take it when opponent is sieging in his own base! ios it possible to shoot down on the pathway?
lovablemikey
Profile Joined October 2010
264 Posts
November 07 2010 23:00 GMT
#13
Pretty! I like this one. I especially like the beach shore you added around the island. It gives it a natural look. Cool!
Moody
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States750 Posts
November 07 2010 23:53 GMT
#14
Great looking map! Very pretty. However, I think the game play would be kind of lacking... it seems like the first 3 expansions would be very easy to defend.
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Geovu
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Estonia1344 Posts
November 08 2010 02:16 GMT
#15
On November 08 2010 08:53 Moody wrote:
Great looking map! Very pretty. However, I think the game play would be kind of lacking... it seems like the first 3 expansions would be very easy to defend.

Maybe if all the watchtowers were removed altogether it would create more interesting gameplay? Looks to me like 5 siege tanks on the watchtower and the enemy can't attack period TBH.

Also, the first thing I noticed is that the bottom watchtower doesn't cover the whole hidden path. It wouldn't effect normal gameplay but you might as well fix that.
Ongweldt
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden54 Posts
November 09 2010 16:19 GMT
#16
This is what happens when Far Cry meets SC2 Editor hehe. Looks great, your own place in the sun. But as some already said, main needs to be a bit bigger. Btw, are there sharks in the water?
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On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-09 17:05:24
November 09 2010 17:04 GMT
#17
Beautiful map but 2 things I noticed (feel free to disagree just my 2ct).

1. Looks way to similar to xelnaga caverns shape wise and would probably end up playing in almost the exact same way. This doesn't make it a bad map, but might not do much to diversify the pool.

2. I really feel there needs to be more space between the main and the expo right north/south of it's air-only side so that tanks can't seige it and colossi can't abuse it. The reason? The map flow feels a lot like Match Point where the 1/7 expos, even tho they are right next to the enemies main, are part of your expo progression.

For example, the guy who spawns up north will take his nat and then his 3rd, working his way towards the left side of the map. His 4th base, following this progression, SHOULD be the 9 base but he can't take it against terran or toss who will just seige it up. After watching dozens of games on match point, it seems like a natural progression that works great and only adds to game tension when you have an expo so close to their base yet they can't just completely deny it from the saftey of their main. Would be a great map change imo.

TLDR: You should not be able to seige the middle expos from your main.

3. On principle you should put rocks at the golds just to avoid stupid shit like terrans lifting off and taking it at the start as well as forcing players to commit unit time to destroying them for the pay off. A gold should never be the obvious third imo (should be the one in the back in this case).
G_Wen
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada525 Posts
November 10 2010 02:18 GMT
#18
My eyes... I'm crying, it's beautiful...
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TedJustice
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada1324 Posts
November 10 2010 02:49 GMT
#19
I absolutely love what you did with the outer edges. Islands with straight up cliffs never look that great, so the way you eased into it like that was awesome.
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6788 Posts
November 10 2010 03:50 GMT
#20
Beautiful, the terrain is amazing.
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