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[Map] (4) Divinity by prodiG

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prodiG
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2016 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-09 00:07:09
September 22 2010 10:30 GMT
#1
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Click to see all Divinity info on
www.prodiGsc.com!

Divinity is a 4 player map inspired by Kulas Ravine, a Blizzard Map. It was originally named Godless after the song “This Godless Endeavor” by Nevermore, but “God” is not allowed in a map name. Divinity is the third map of a series to be released between Sept. and Oct. 2010.

Search "Divinity" to play! This is potentially an iCCup Map pending further testing
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Features & Notes
Features

-2nd natural in base blocked by Destructible Rock After seeing the success of God's Garden and how hard it is for Zerg to kill a 3 armor rock, they have been removed.
-Gold expansion & natural back door blocked by Destructible Rock
-Unbuildable center
-LOS Blockers in front of the closest path to center
-Neutral Creep tumor
Notes

Horizontal & Vertical choke to choke is ~24sec (at 2.81 movespd, aka Probe), Cross position choke to choke is 30sec. Tanks from the gold cannot siege the natural, and the cliff splitting the two naturals is pathing blocked

I wanted to make a map that had everything I liked about Kulas Ravine, and nothing that I didn’t like. I believe that’s what I’ve done here. The mains and in-base expansions are even copy/pasted from Kulas Ravine. I also wanted to make a reflection symmetry map that would play completely different depending on each spawn: Vertically, players can easily take the gold as the 4th and the Xel’Naga Tower will be a key point as it sees the main path between the two starting positions. Horizontally, players will have to be a little more aggressive as the nearest 4th is the shared gold, or the bases in the middle of the map which are quite some distance away and thus more difficult to defend, and there are no Xel’Naga Towers to help spot attacks. Cross positions is a completely unique game as the Xel’Naga Towers won’t play a huge role so it will be up to the player to adapt and scout. The middle will become much more important, but controlling that space will be more difficult since the middle area is unbuildable.

In testing I’ve found this map to be one of my most fun yet, because it is very easy for the game to truly start once you’ve secured a base (or two even), but once that starts the fighting doesn’t end until someone gg’s.

Here are some images from the map analyzer, beta, and map sketch
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Channel56k
Profile Joined June 2010
United States413 Posts
September 22 2010 10:50 GMT
#2
This looks to me like what many wanted out of Kulas Ravine (but didnt get).

Middle is more open, natural is more defensible, 3rd is probably the safest (which will make for some longer games) and the design and lighting look very well done.

I am down for testing.
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Antares777
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1971 Posts
September 22 2010 10:56 GMT
#3
Trying to make a map better than KR isn't much of an accomplishment, as anyone could do it, because KR is one of the worst maps in the map pool. But you went beyond making a better KR, and adding some neat features that I wouldn't have expected to see on a map like this one.

I am curious how the pools of water around the center of the map would affect battles.
prodiG
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2016 Posts
September 22 2010 11:32 GMT
#4
On September 22 2010 19:56 Antares777 wrote:
Trying to make a map better than KR isn't much of an accomplishment, as anyone could do it, because KR is one of the worst maps in the map pool. But you went beyond making a better KR, and adding some neat features that I wouldn't have expected to see on a map like this one.

I am curious how the pools of water around the center of the map would affect battles.

Me too! The unbuildable terrain starts right on the other side of the LOS blockers, but all space in the middle except for the center circle piece is checkerboarded (it has 1x1 holes for creep tumors and sensor towers everywhere) so you can still extend the creep highway through it. Force fields may be a little nasty but I think if you're careful you won't get completely killed by it.
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dacthehork
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2000 Posts
September 22 2010 11:56 GMT
#5
Can you make a version without the destructible rocks on the back natural? SC2 really needs a solid macro map and it also favors terran.
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dezi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany1536 Posts
September 22 2010 12:18 GMT
#6
I like the use of the bright and dark textures to give this map a nice look
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CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-22 12:31:01
September 22 2010 12:28 GMT
#7
Should just call it KR revised or something. I still don't like this map as a Z player. Backdoor base is never good for Z. Any vertical or horizontal positions are really bad for Z because of the fact a base is on the path and the fact that tanks/colossus with army can use that.
Whats up with that path to the backdoor base too? Only terran maybe protoss can use that to attack from outside. Zerg can;t use that.
Too much wasted space behind 3rd blue base, should just move it back into there or something.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
Tonttu
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland606 Posts
September 22 2010 12:41 GMT
#8
Nice rework from Kulas Ravine. Instantly thought about Kulas when I looked the map

But I'd put Xel'Nagas to a little cliff. And those expansions at middle (right and left) could be a little more deeper? A lot of space there. There would still be plenty of space for air units to fly free

Nice work anyway
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deth
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Australia1757 Posts
September 22 2010 13:49 GMT
#9
Do like, much better than kulas. Should find a way to get blizzard to see this imo.
prodiG
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2016 Posts
September 22 2010 20:23 GMT
#10
On September 22 2010 21:28 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Should just call it KR revised or something. I still don't like this map as a Z player. Backdoor base is never good for Z. Any vertical or horizontal positions are really bad for Z because of the fact a base is on the path and the fact that tanks/colossus with army can use that.
Whats up with that path to the backdoor base too? Only terran maybe protoss can use that to attack from outside. Zerg can;t use that.
Too much wasted space behind 3rd blue base, should just move it back into there or something.

I can't hate on reapers so hard that they never get used! I haven't tested 4rax reaper on this map at all yet so if it does prove to be too abusable then I'll remove it.

On September 22 2010 21:41 Tonttu wrote:
Nice rework from Kulas Ravine. Instantly thought about Kulas when I looked the map

But I'd put Xel'Nagas to a little cliff. And those expansions at middle (right and left) could be a little more deeper? A lot of space there. There would still be plenty of space for air units to fly free

Nice work anyway

The reason those expansions are there is because of the tension over those expansions that I want to create when you spawn vertically. Players will undoubtedly want to expand horizontally but the expansion is a bit easier to defend being right next to the tower
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Randomaccount#77123
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States5003 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-22 20:39:28
September 22 2010 20:37 GMT
#11
--- Nuked ---
Alou
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States3748 Posts
September 22 2010 20:57 GMT
#12
Message me if I'm on. I <3 your maps and like testing them.

(Except your map where my base started like twice the distance from the minerals. Or was that Kinki's?)
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Reptilia
Profile Joined June 2010
Chile913 Posts
September 22 2010 23:24 GMT
#13
cool map but its not on the map list
( i searched "divinity" )
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prodiG
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2016 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-22 23:40:26
September 22 2010 23:39 GMT
#14
On September 23 2010 08:24 Reptilia wrote:
cool map but its not on the map list
( i searched "divinity" )

Gah, I had it on private. It's public now :/

On September 23 2010 05:57 Alou wrote:
Message me if I'm on. I <3 your maps and like testing them.

(Except your map where my base started like twice the distance from the minerals. Or was that Kinki's?)


That was Enigma (i made it) I had just finished changing all of the terrain in the mains and when i moved the minerals back I forgot to move the spawn position
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dimfish
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States663 Posts
September 23 2010 00:03 GMT
#15
Can I hide my overlord in the chasm next to the main and natural without stalkers or marines able to kill it?

I like the center of the map; I love when players use clever micro around LoS blockers--there's a good balance of room to attempt flanks and chokes, too. Great work!
monitor
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2408 Posts
September 23 2010 00:21 GMT
#16
I feel like the is no flank room except in cross positions. In your original drawing, there was nice space for flanks, but in the finished version it came out cluttered... maybe consider opening up the sides a bit?
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Antares777
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1971 Posts
September 23 2010 00:40 GMT
#17
Wow cool lighting, it looks like sunrise ^^,
prodiG
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2016 Posts
September 23 2010 01:19 GMT
#18
On September 23 2010 09:40 Antares777 wrote:
Wow cool lighting, it looks like sunrise ^^,

I actually didn't intend it to come out like that but I like the way it looks <: D
ESV Mapmaking Team || http://twitter.com/prodiGsc || Real talk, I don't have time to sugar-coat it for you sir
Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
September 23 2010 01:32 GMT
#19
Haha I like in the sketch the name was Godless and eventually it was Divinity.


BTW Godless is an awesome map name
Wat
prodiG
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2016 Posts
September 23 2010 01:40 GMT
#20
On September 23 2010 10:32 Tenks wrote:
Haha I like in the sketch the name was Godless and eventually it was Divinity.


BTW Godless is an awesome map name

Yeah but bnet doesn't like Godless so I had to change it
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BoomStevo
Profile Joined August 2010
United States332 Posts
September 23 2010 02:10 GMT
#21
On September 23 2010 09:40 Antares777 wrote:
Wow cool lighting, it looks like sunrise ^^,

The lighting is positionally biased! Imba!
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Reptilia
Profile Joined June 2010
Chile913 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-23 02:16:34
September 23 2010 02:16 GMT
#22
just tested it
i could easily say its ur best map
or maybe the second (after valhalla)
btw enigma is really cool too
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Crais
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2136 Posts
September 23 2010 04:27 GMT
#23
Yet another great one prodiG.
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sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-23 05:02:54
September 23 2010 05:02 GMT
#24
This map looks amazing.

Maybe make it easier to wall off the nat, or mineral patches (with 1 mineral) at the backdoor nat rather than having to destroy destructible rocks so zergs can get their expo earlier.

Good job.
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rauk
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States2228 Posts
September 23 2010 08:08 GMT
#25
looks incredibly imbalanced for zvt. close air distance between naturals mean that your mutas will be in his base as they hatch, essentially. looks really imba for basically any air build between close positions, really.
Antares777
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1971 Posts
September 23 2010 11:09 GMT
#26
On September 23 2010 17:08 rauk wrote:
looks incredibly imbalanced for zvt. close air distance between naturals mean that your mutas will be in his base as they hatch, essentially. looks really imba for basically any air build between close positions, really.


^disagree.

Depends on spawns.
DamageInq
Profile Joined April 2010
United States283 Posts
September 23 2010 11:17 GMT
#27
Nice work again prodiG. I like the little cliff to the side of the semi-island... it'll be something to thing about playing vs terran. Looks very solid.
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prodiG
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2016 Posts
September 23 2010 21:23 GMT
#28
On September 23 2010 20:17 DamageInq wrote:
Nice work again prodiG. I like the little cliff to the side of the semi-island... it'll be something to thing about playing vs terran. Looks very solid.

Trying to test out stuff like this to see if it's stacked one way or the other :D
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CagedMind
Profile Joined February 2010
United States506 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-25 02:24:19
September 23 2010 22:17 GMT
#29
When your going out to middle and there's a small water patch in middle of map I think it could be 1 space smaller. Bit of a tight fit.
your micro has been depleted
rauk
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States2228 Posts
September 24 2010 03:26 GMT
#30
On September 23 2010 20:09 Antares777 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2010 17:08 rauk wrote:
looks incredibly imbalanced for zvt. close air distance between naturals mean that your mutas will be in his base as they hatch, essentially. looks really imba for basically any air build between close positions, really.


^disagree.

Depends on spawns.


i specify close positions. but essentially you're saying that it's okay if the map is imbalanced in close positions, which i disagree with.
prodiG
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2016 Posts
September 24 2010 16:42 GMT
#31
On September 24 2010 07:17 CagedMind wrote:
When your going out to middle and there's a small water patch in middle of made I think it could be 1 space smaller. Bit of a tight fit.

Which one? there's two patches of water on each corner. The size of these has been my main concern throughout testing, they've gotten progressively smaller and smaller.
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Graham
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada1259 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-24 18:18:03
September 24 2010 18:11 GMT
#32
Don't think this has been mentioned but mules (when called down on the mineral patches) can get stuck below the gold mineral patches at the 6 o'clock.

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Other than that I found the map to be pretty awesome.
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prodiG
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2016 Posts
September 24 2010 18:19 GMT
#33
On September 25 2010 03:11 Graham wrote:
Don't think this has been mentioned but mules (when called down on the mineral patches) can get stuck below the gold mineral patches at the 6 o'clock.

[image loading]

Other than that I found the map to be pretty awesome.

Oh damn, I didn't think about that. I wanted to make the back area not accessible at all so I could push the gold minerals as far back as I could.

I think filling that space with rocks should do the trick, if not I guess I'll have to open it up. Nice catch, Graham ^^
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Madsquare
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany157 Posts
September 24 2010 20:13 GMT
#34
adding nopathing is enough
had the same issue on Ice wastes during the beta version. it happens when the empty space is between the OC that calls the mule and the patch the mule is ordered to.

madsquare.
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CagedMind
Profile Joined February 2010
United States506 Posts
September 25 2010 02:27 GMT
#35
On September 25 2010 01:42 prodiG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2010 07:17 CagedMind wrote:
When your going out to middle and there's a small water patch in middle of made I think it could be 1 space smaller. Bit of a tight fit.

Which one? there's two patches of water on each corner. The size of these has been my main concern throughout testing, they've gotten progressively smaller and smaller.


The one's that are close to equator.
your micro has been depleted
prodiG
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2016 Posts
October 09 2010 00:07 GMT
#36
New map image uploaded! Pretty big change on the expansion path.
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Nub4ever
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada1981 Posts
October 09 2010 00:17 GMT
#37
I love it! Kulas but not imba! that, and it looks freakin amazing! this needs to b on ladder! :O
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Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10219 Posts
October 09 2010 01:06 GMT
#38
Love it
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