EPTNal_rA v HwaSin[s.sir]luna
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[G]Max_Power
Slovakia304 Posts
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Liquid`Jinro
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uhjoo
Korea (South)1740 Posts
i'm gonna have to take you out back and make you ride dogsleds with fakesteve and mani | ||
Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On January 14 2005 04:03 uhjoo wrote: how dare you say that about rA i'm gonna have to take you out back and make you ride dogsleds with fakesteve and mani It's my past as a TvP player !!! Flashbacks! Oh such horrible flashbacks T_T | ||
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uhjoo
Korea (South)1740 Posts
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wasted
Germany1789 Posts
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On January 14 2005 05:43 uhjoo wrote: i have horrible flashbacks as well of massively upgraded zeal goon running all over my beautiful tanks by someone very very evil O_O =D Those are very very good flashbacks :D | ||
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nortydog
Australia3067 Posts
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Shiv
France447 Posts
On January 14 2005 06:10 wasted wrote: without spoiling anything i must say that the loser should have won this way earlier. at one time i checked and he was ahead in supplys 133 vs 67 Maybe that's why it's incredible. And, yes. The main thing is, HwaSin is playing god damn good, he seems to be "mastering" the game. Maybe not at his finest, but still. Yeah, still, you know that Nal_rA is playing his game. Well, it may not be obvious in this one, but it certainly is on the second replay. Oh and, thank you uhjoo for sharing. | ||
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MPXMX
Canada4309 Posts
What a fabulous game! It's also interesting to note that Nal_ra's APM was below 200 in both games and hwasin's is inflated with 46% hotkey ... He's trying to do things too quickly, as you can see his macro is good but his supply placement is sloppy (which matters) and he had many idle scvs. He's concentrating on mechanical speed more than strategy. An unfortunate circumstance for Hwasin was either his neglect or just miscalculation of income and production ability - after annihilating Nal_ra's first army, and pushing into the natural, Hwasin had about 2k of both mins and gas, although he did not stop production. I believe someone like Oov would have planned ahead by building more factories or getting more expos and would be maxing out at 200/200 at that time instead of watching his funds increase. WIth that said, it was a masterpiece of gaming | ||
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[CS]Pablo
Brazil338 Posts
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MPXMX
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8882
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MPXMX
Canada4309 Posts
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evanthebouncy
China491 Posts
On January 14 2005 17:37 MPXMX wrote: Big armies can accomplish more but it also get stormed harder  | ||
ToKoreaWithLove
Norway10161 Posts
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SoMuchBetter
Australia10606 Posts
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MPXMX
Canada4309 Posts
Yeah but he thought he had the game... Psychology is part of the game About any game you can say "oh Chungsung should have moved his cruisers. Why would he leave them idle in a useless place why didn't he see the ghosts? Also when boxer made a lot of goliaths why didn't chungsang just make some more tanks ?? that game sucked"Basically most come back games between high level gamers are based in a large part on luck and mistakes/negligence of the player with the advantage. You are right of course, when attacking Nal_ra's natural with goliaths he should have split them. But that is not what most players are used to thinking, plus habbits are very strong in starcraft. I don't think he anticipated to see quite so many templars... unquestionably a 10 vulture run in before goliaths could have done miracles if hwasin had anticipated and prepared against the templars. He could have won in spite of that if he managed his resources better... | ||
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evanthebouncy
China491 Posts
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HowitZer
United States1610 Posts
or he can scan ra's expo before moving in to it :o i think he underestimated temp's power... the terran tried to snipe the temps with vults but i think some were hidden in shuttles so he didn't account for those. Also it seemed like the t was being super aggresive towards the end but nalra just took it in stride and used it to his own advantage. | ||
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J1
Canada579 Posts
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22256 Posts
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Regentropfen
Germany277 Posts
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Sir Alex
United States159 Posts
On January 15 2005 07:01 Regentropfen wrote: ne1 noticed the terran (accidently i think) upgraded air weapon instead of ground? Yeah, I've been seeing that surprisingly often in replays lately. This game, Pride's RWA of LindsayLohan vs Sabbath, and a couple others I can't remember... never saw it before a little bit ago, so I thought it might be a display error just for me. Guess it's just coincidence though. A shame, too, having an extra upgrade might've really helped Hwasin swing things around. | ||
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evanthebouncy
China491 Posts
On January 15 2005 03:52 EvilTeletubby wrote: The ending pissed me off... It felt like HwaSin losing, not rA winning. hehe, the ending they where trying to cut down each others mining and ra's carrier is amazing, c how his DT slice the cc half to death and gol showed up killed DTs and 4 carrier pop out of nowhere killed the cc :D | ||
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GroT
Belgium3003 Posts
On January 14 2005 11:56 MPXMX wrote: At the end of this replay I was literally laughing with joy... What a fabulous game! It's also interesting to note that Nal_ra's APM was below 200 in both games and hwasin's is inflated with 46% hotkey ... He's trying to do things too quickly, as you can see his macro is good but his supply placement is sloppy (which matters) and he had many idle scvs. He's concentrating on mechanical speed more than strategy. An unfortunate circumstance for Hwasin was either his neglect or just miscalculation of income and production ability - after annihilating Nal_ra's first army, and pushing into the natural, Hwasin had about 2k of both mins and gas, although he did not stop production. I believe someone like Oov would have planned ahead by building more factories or getting more expos and would be maxing out at 200/200 at that time instead of watching his funds increase. WIth that said, it was a masterpiece of gaming hm I disagree, every gamer with more than 300 apm has 40% hotkey regularly, and supply placement doesn't matte in my opinion | ||
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GroT
Belgium3003 Posts
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MPXMX
Canada4309 Posts
Supply placement is just one example of sloppy play... others include not makign enough factories, researching air instead of ground armory upgrade and of course the encounters with the templars...From what I've seen most Terran pros are above 300 by a fair margin and close to 40% in hotkey percentage.By the way I wasn't really comparing their APMs. It was just interesting to see that Nal_ra plays INCREDIBLE pro level protoss with <200 apm, while, say, NoNy (not to diss or anything ) played at over 200 at a significantly lower level a year or so ago. I'm not 100% certain about the NoNy comment but I believe he said his apm was 200+ when nGi first opened... | ||
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