EPTR2_Flaf_G5_G1
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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Shauni
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
Look at comments if you want to avoid spoilers good thing i looked at the comments, no spoilers here! | ||
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MorroW
Sweden3522 Posts
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El Resplandor
United States187 Posts
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
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Ftrunkz
Australia2474 Posts
On January 11 2010 15:21 Shauni wrote: FlaF, as I said, I have no idea who that is. So I probably won't prepare too much for that match and just look straight on to Ret and prepare decently for him. is that a g5 quote? :o. Anyway i dont think he meant it in a bad way, since flaf plays z anyway by 'preparing' for ret he was still preparing for pvz? | ||
jhNz
Germany2762 Posts
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Glioburd
France1911 Posts
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Mortician
Bulgaria2332 Posts
On January 11 2010 16:10 jalstar wrote: good thing i looked at the comments, no spoilers here! | ||
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Scaramanga
Australia8093 Posts
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Djin)ftw(
Germany3357 Posts
On January 11 2010 18:32 Glioburd wrote: G5 underestimated a lot FlaF with his mass DT and just paid the price of this :3 #2 instead of going rvr, noooo he has to play this arrogant sair/mass dt style. glad he lost this game, if you play like this with $10000 at stake something is wrong with you | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
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Heaven.ReV
Norway86 Posts
"I still don't know much about FlaF. I have been told a few things from friends about him but nothing worth noting. He qualified for TSL so he obviously isn't someone you can take lightly, and I won't. My PvZ right now is the best it has ever been. I have been fortunate for many years that I have so many friends who are some of the fiercest players outside of Korea. I will definitively be calling on them for advice / practice in the upcoming days / weeks to prepare for my matches vs FlaF and possibly Ret." And his finishing words in the very same interview: "I will be bringing my A-GAME every match I play throughout this tournament. If I lose it won't be because I was unprepared" So stop talking about how he underestimated him, was allegedly arrogant etc. G5 is "clean", so to speak. | ||
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Djin)ftw(
Germany3357 Posts
On January 12 2010 00:18 zer0das wrote: Why was it arrogant? It gave him a lot more mobility and it would have easily won him the game if he recognized his timing window where there was zero detection in the upper left (or used shuttles with some of those dts on the main). And even failing that, it would have set him up for a late game with reavers rather nicely (if he got them earlier...). what good are 12(?) dts for when u want to attack a base? 1 spore at each base is enough to prevent drone harass, even if u kill every lord on the map. instead of going rvr like he did later at his expo at 3. this mass dt style is something i only saw from mana until today (on colo against some romanian z, maybe that was flaf too t.t). i mean, it's not like it was some fancy dweb into hatchery snipe style.. imo there is no other explanation but arrogance/cockiness. | ||
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Heaven.ReV
Norway86 Posts
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Djin)ftw(
Germany3357 Posts
maybe I'm wrong with saying he played arrogant, but I dont think so. the off cans at the third f.e., i dont know if he would try that in a game against mondragon/ret.. and, although i might be mistaken here: I didn't see a shuttle. So his plan was not to drop the dt's to kill some tech/harass drones, it looked like he wanted to kill the ultra/hyd/defiler army with dt/sair alone. but yeah, maybe I'm wrong. Would like to know what G5 has to say to this €: the plague on the dts was such a nice counter. i assume that's why flaf went for ensnare in the first place, make the dt visible. | ||
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Leath
Canada1724 Posts
On January 12 2010 00:35 Djin)ftw( wrote: what good are 12(?) dts for when u want to attack a base? 1 spore at each base is enough to prevent drone harass, even if u kill every lord on the map. instead of going rvr like he did later at his expo at 3. this mass dt style is something i only saw from mana until today (on colo against some romanian z, maybe that was flaf too t.t). i mean, it's not like it was some fancy dweb into hatchery snipe style.. imo there is no other explanation but arrogance/cockiness. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=103921 | ||
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Djin)ftw(
Germany3357 Posts
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Leath
Canada1724 Posts
 Perhaps DT/Sair is easier to manage mixing reaver in the army, and it is pretty good if you stay defensive -specially to intercept drops- I am not sure if it was the best move for G5, but definitely one possible counter to mass ultra/ling is sair/dt. | ||
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QuakerOats
United States1024 Posts
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LaLuSh
Sweden2358 Posts
There's basically no way a zerg can attack into your bases or engage in a fight in the middle of a map when you got as many sairs as G5 had (overlords just die instantly and it takes too long to send new ones). G5 however prolly got nervous when his DTs made no offensive damage, and started hunting OLs in Flaf's bases/expansions instead, losing many of his sairs in the process which pretty much left his DTs of no use in a defensive context... Probably even made his army composition weaker than had he not built DTs as Flaf could safely bring overlords to battles. | ||
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Djin)ftw(
Germany3357 Posts
well if i'm not totally mistaken plague or ensnare on cloaked units gives u vision of them. so why do u even needs lords, u can just plague the dts and kill them | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28828 Posts
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po1nT
Romania17 Posts
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AttackZerg
United States7579 Posts
On January 12 2010 00:35 Djin)ftw( wrote: what good are 12(?) dts for when u want to attack a base? 1 spore at each base is enough to prevent drone harass, even if u kill every lord on the map. instead of going rvr like he did later at his expo at 3. this mass dt style is something i only saw from mana until today (on colo against some romanian z, maybe that was flaf too t.t). i mean, it's not like it was some fancy dweb into hatchery snipe style.. imo there is no other explanation but arrogance/cockiness. hmm how about this explanation ..... g5 is a fucking weird ass starcraft player who has even beat a pro gamer with scouts (in pvz) (and me) and he simply was doing what he always does which is push the envelope of what is possible and what will work. G5 wasn't siting at home laughing during these games he was like all these players, one stressed out nerd trying his best to win an important game. He wouldn't go out of his way to lose in the tsl sorry .... | ||
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Zozma
United States1626 Posts
On January 12 2010 03:22 QuakerOats wrote: You've got to be talking about what happens with no upgrades, right?My friend did a test once and IIRC max supply of DTs beats max supply of ultralisks. Maybe that's what he was going for, haha. | ||
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Infested Terran
80 Posts
I wondered why did he made so many DTs. If he switched to reavers earlier (+ possibly expanded earlier) he would win. | ||
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Kaniol
Poland5551 Posts
Just look at ~28. minute - lots of gates with 5 unit queues. That's true that mostly zealots but you can also see queues with like 3 zealots + 2 hts, 2 hts, etc. You really could tell the difference between both players' reinforcement speeds... Plus yeah, such late reavers really hurt one's eyes QQ | ||
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bITt.mAN
Switzerland3693 Posts
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