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stacker
Profile Joined October 2007
United States32 Posts
May 31 2008 02:29 GMT
#101
Sorry but you really can't compare this to table manners.

I would dare say that 99% of the people in here who are arguing that not saying gg is not bad mannered would also say that refusing to shake hands after a chess match is terribly bad mannered. You can try to prove me wrong on this. But a simple 'gg' is just....not the same, if you will.
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
May 31 2008 02:52 GMT
#102
I think it is, explain how it's not... saying "its not the same" isn't proving anything .. :O

Can you explain why ANYONE would say 'gg' in a situation where the game isn't actually good?? What percentage of games anybody plays are actually good. I'm sure a huge portion of games are one sided either way, and yet still people say 'gg' . Why do they do it? Obviously, because it's good manners to do so. Why do you shake someone's hand after a chess match? Because it's good manners to do so. What if the guy you played just embarassed you horribly, you'd still shake hands. If you don't it is considered extremely rude. If you eat a meal at someone's house and don't express some kind of gratitude, it's considered rude. Even if the meal wasn't great, you still do it.

Saying 'gg' at the end of games is exactly the same. If you spend any amount of time on this game and value your reputation at all, then it's logical to assume that all three of the activities I've stated are the same.
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DeadVessel
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
United States6269 Posts
May 31 2008 02:53 GMT
#103
Very nice post nony.
teamsolid
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada3668 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-31 03:22:04
May 31 2008 03:13 GMT
#104
On May 31 2008 07:03 NonY - wrote:
I hope my post will rid us of these troubles.

Not happening, especially when I don't even agree with most of what you wrote. A much easier way of ridding this "trouble" would be just to type gg at the end of each game. It's not that hard.

If you don't say gg after a match in a Korean league, you are punished severely. It should be the same in TSL, especially considering it's one of the official rules.
omninmo
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
2349 Posts
May 31 2008 03:54 GMT
#105
Draco,
I think you have a certain class that is lacking in alot of today's youth- not to mention gamers. Genuine honesty is hard to find and such a thing is appreciated by all of us. Don't mind the neighsayers.
Highways
Profile Joined July 2005
Australia6103 Posts
May 31 2008 04:22 GMT
#106
Even pros dont gg when they lose

#1 Terran hater
FirstProbe
Profile Joined June 2004
1206 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-31 05:19:29
May 31 2008 05:16 GMT
#107
Like I said earlier

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On April 04 2008 10:40 FirstProbe wrote:
Hide nested quote -
On April 04 2008 10:30 1t2t3t4t5taw wrote:
On April 04 2008 02:42 NonY[rC] wrote:
keke i really played poorly that game and mondi did not let up


Your opponent complimented you and he's the best Zerg foreigner. Do you ever lose when you're not "playing really badly?" I guess that Mondragon, playing his "ass off," can only win when you're playing badly.

I don't think any foreigner has ever been able to just say that they lost without any superfluous information.



I've lost a lot of respect for Nony. He makes similar comments every time he loses. Like you said, these comments detract from the (good) play of the opponent, and tries to suggest that he would've won if he played remotely well. Even if that is the case, so what, it didn't happen.
------------------------------------------------------------------------

Thats the type of person he is. Egotistical, self-centred, and probably a bad loser.

Thats not to say he's a bad person. Just the above.
Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20661 Posts
May 31 2008 06:31 GMT
#108
I wouldn't say intentionally badmannered. Just honest, perhaps to a fault.
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LxRogue
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States1415 Posts
May 31 2008 06:59 GMT
#109
Saying gg is just etiquette, and everyone knows it. Everyone feels like they played a bad game to some extent when they lost, Nony is no exception. If you're frustrated and angry, of course you don't feel like it was a good game, but no one takes it to actually mean that.

Being proud and self-centered like he is, it makes sense that he wouldn't gg, especially knowing the chat isn't broadcast.
Sean.G
Profile Joined October 2004
Spain889 Posts
May 31 2008 07:59 GMT
#110
On May 31 2008 09:44 CultureMisfits wrote:
lol its funny people consider nony a "new" player. Ive known of nony ever since i started getting really into sc back in 2004 2005? Of course he wasnt as dominant as today, but i did know of him.


I would consider 2004/2005 relatively new actually.
"He is fighting in this match like we've never seen a terran player fight before. He is fighting as hard as Orlando Bloom fights for the affections of Keira Knightly in Pirates of the Caribbean 3, and hopefully he'll have more success" - Klazart
stalife
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada1222 Posts
May 31 2008 08:08 GMT
#111
Well... at least Nony don't say shit like "LOL YOU FUKIN NEWB YOU ARE SO LUCKY, this is seriously the worst fucking game of my life, you are a lucky son of a bitch, you suck ass, yet you somehow pull some fukin miracle outta your ass. i hope you realize how much you SUCK newbie"

I guess it's fine that he doesn't wanna say gg after games. It's strange, it bothers me a lot that a player so dominant like him would not bother to press 4 keys, two of which are the same...Certainly it was in the rules to say so... (I cannot believe TSL staffs added this rule :D)... If this were in korea, he would be fined I'm sure... (just like how july got fined 500 dollars for coming late... and also chalrenge for saying fuck on chat that everyone could see..)

but anyway, now the whole bw scene knows nony as the guy who doesn't type gg at the end :D maybe he loves the attention, maybe he's just a sore loser. o_Oa
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a-game
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Canada5085 Posts
May 31 2008 09:55 GMT
#112
i like it when players trash talk each other in interviews

foreign scene needs more of that! gogo rivalries
you wouldnt feel that way if it was your magical sword of mantouchery that got stolen - racebannon • I am merely guest #13,678!
Guybrush
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Spain4744 Posts
May 31 2008 09:59 GMT
#113
On May 31 2008 17:08 stalife wrote:
Well... at least Nony don't say shit like "LOL YOU FUKIN NEWB YOU ARE SO LUCKY, this is seriously the worst fucking game of my life, you are a lucky son of a bitch, you suck ass, yet you somehow pull some fukin miracle outta your ass. i hope you realize how much you SUCK newbie"


He does say it, but its packed in with other words like the one someone said he posted in the him vs mondragon rep comments. Some would actually go as far as saying that not saying gg can be interpreted as the sentence you quoted. There are tons of "mannered" nonkoreans who make excuses nearly every loss they get, claims to never practice etc both in present time and in the past. Its not a phenomenon, and I dont find it bad mannered, but a perhaps a sign of lack of confidence.

Personally I dont care. These are the two reactions most common if someone doesnt say gg

1.) You might be offended by not "getting respect" like in Dracos case. In this case the winner will most likely turn down a rematch-request from the loser because he feels the loser doesnt respect him.

2.) You get amused because you know your opponent is madly pissed off and probably slamming his keyboard or something like that. In this case the winner will probably accept a rematch-request, but turn it down at first, both to see the reaction from the loser to get some more amusement, but also to get a psychological adventage in the rematch(you want to have your opponent boiling over with anger as the rematch starts, and get him in the "I have to win now" "Fuck if I lose another time vs this newb" mindset)

I would pick option 2, but in this case I would also understand the loser not only due to the stakes(much $), but also how he got 0-3ed by someone who doesnt practice at all but yet somehow has superior mechanics.

Obviously the rematch issue in 1.) and 2.) doesnt apply in a Bo5 in a tournament as in this case.
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diehilde1
Profile Joined September 2006
Germany522 Posts
May 31 2008 10:24 GMT
#114
yeah nony is a huge arrogant asshat. maybe next time you should just oblige to the widely accepted standard of saying "gg". You'd have to type so much less than not typing it and writing a big post on TL explaining why u dont type it. Nobody cares that you think it isn't necessary. The world doesnt revolve around you. The scene widely accepted it as a standard fair play move, so u have to too. Damn, u would be one of those completely ignorant fucktards who walk into a mosque without taking off their shoes first, cus well, having on shoes doesnt mean anything for you, does it?

If it really was in the rules he should be DQ.
Quanticfograw
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States2053 Posts
May 31 2008 10:35 GMT
#115
Nony has always been a little crybaby after he lost. I beat him once very badly when he picked offrace vs me zvp. Afterwords I asked him for re PvP since i obviously showed him my skill by so easily defeating his offrace. After i asked this, he proceeded to tell me, "YOU KNOW HOW BAD MANNERED IT IS TO ASK FOR RE WHEN YOU WIN?" all in caps. This was pretty disappointing, but still thinking he was just a little upset and not a bad person, i continued. I simply told him, "Hey I just study some of your reps and I am a fan and i just would love the chance to pvp you." After I said this, the only thing the idiot could muster up was, "Well your not a real fan, I stole nonys ID, SOME FAN YOU ARE!!." Realizing the poor fucking idiot was out of his mind i left it at that only to see nony on the id two days later. Once a bitch always a bitch.
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evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
May 31 2008 11:20 GMT
#116
"Are you going to find time to practice this week?
I’d better make no comments here, for my own good."
LOLOL

Man JianFei... good luck!
Life is run, it is dance, it is fast, passionate and BAM!, you dance and sing and booze while you can for now is the time and time is mine. Smile and laugh when still can for now is the time and soon you die!
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
May 31 2008 11:21 GMT
#117
Who cares if ppl don't say gg...
"gg" strictly means "good game" and if I play a bad game I wouldn't say gg. I would say stuff like
fdasfeakfjdlsa;
or
Bah!
or
Oh well
Life is run, it is dance, it is fast, passionate and BAM!, you dance and sing and booze while you can for now is the time and time is mine. Smile and laugh when still can for now is the time and soon you die!
Bob123
Profile Joined October 2006
Korea (North)259 Posts
May 31 2008 11:40 GMT
#118
Saying gg is like shaking hands after a tennis game. There would be alot of irritation if federer refused to shake hands with nadal after losing in the finals. Nony is right there is no rule saying you have to say gg, but noone said there was such a rule anyway. And everything isn't about written rules. 50% of how we live our daily lives are about unwritten rules and ettiquette (spelling?).
Liquid`Ret
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Netherlands4511 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-31 12:18:39
May 31 2008 12:14 GMT
#119
i'm sure nony doesn't say gg for a reason, and it's cause he hates losing, he just fabricates a theory here that really makes anyone think..why bother giving it so much thought and just say gg like everyone else.
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edahl
Profile Joined February 2008
Norway483 Posts
May 31 2008 12:23 GMT
#120
It's not law or anything, but there is in fact a(n unofficial) consensus that gg marks the end of the game, and that gg shows that you're just as happy loosing, or that you at least had a fun time. The intrinsic aspect of showing respect for your opponent is of the same when it comes to saying gg: You just shared 15-30 minutes with, presumably, a complete stranger. In some situations, that's enough to get you laid, heh. If your opponent made the game bore you to shit, just leave, but if you had fun with that completely unknown person; give him an "i_had_fun = true". It also makes the end of the game unambiguous: gg == game over and one has given up. It's pretty basic stuff, and as long as a piece of etiquette has a function (as they seldom do), I'm in.
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