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On June 01 2008 05:35 iLjh wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2008 04:18 lowchi wrote:
one consideration you could take in is what previous posters have said about nonys contributions to the foreign sc scene in general. i for one, appreciate his fpvods - as humorous and helpful as they are. he's a great player, and he has his ways and opinions, just like everyone else ( this thread shows everyone can have an opinion ). i just personally think its wrong to crucify him for leaving private rated matches without saying gg.
he didn't damn anyone to hell. he didn't spit on dracos game play. and he took the time out to write a 3-4 paragraph post to explain himself. which in my opinion ( everyone can have one! watch out! ) - is disrespecting nony. shuving him to the defensive for just not wanting to say gg? i've played sc-scBW since December of '98. i've seen thousands of end game sayings and ways people express themselves for a loss or win. and yes 'gg' is the universal way to end a game. but heres another opinion - saying gg, doesn't define the player. and from my solid 10 years of playing sc i can say one thing for sure. everyone has left a game without saying a bloody thing. upset and overheated to the lack of their mechanics in the last 45 minutes - you just (we all just), shut the computer off period. does that take away all you've contributed to the sc scene? does that take away all your hard work and practice towards the game? well, (imo) no.
so please before hammering nails in someone, take a second to analyze everything you've done in the past, and realize nobody's perfect and we all have our ways. this was in no way intended to bash anyone, not even the harshest of commentors on this forum taking direct punches at nony. please realize that ripping someone apart over personal opinion would of led to the end of the world before you any of us inhabited it.
but you can make your own judgment on the situation.
draco and nony, and everyone else in the tsl thus far - gg's really. gg tonight nony and brat. just play the game good and well, keep the community alive. this game means alot.
there's a difference between every-day bw games and the semi-final matches from one of the most prestigious tournaments outside of korea.
yep, sure everyone has done it, but i am sure 90% dont do it on league matches or stuff like that... let alone the tsl semifinals....
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i didn't know draco and jianfei were buds
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Draco was in Excello at one point. I don't know if it's since then though.
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On May 31 2008 11:52 Xeris wrote:
I think it is, explain how it's not... saying "its not the same" isn't proving anything .. :O
Can you explain why ANYONE would say 'gg' in a situation where the game isn't actually good?? What percentage of games anybody plays are actually good. I'm sure a huge portion of games are one sided either way, and yet still people say 'gg' . Why do they do it? Obviously, because it's good manners to do so. Why do you shake someone's hand after a chess match? Because it's good manners to do so. What if the guy you played just embarassed you horribly, you'd still shake hands. If you don't it is considered extremely rude. If you eat a meal at someone's house and don't express some kind of gratitude, it's considered rude. Even if the meal wasn't great, you still do it.
Saying 'gg' at the end of games is exactly the same. If you spend any amount of time on this game and value your reputation at all, then it's logical to assume that all three of the activities I've stated are the same.
exactly right. i'm not surprised nobody reacted to this post though, but that's another story.
saying gg is not about honoring your opponent or implying to be playing worse than your opponent. it just shows that you can lose in style. and just like shaking hands after a chess match, it is absolutely necessary in order to be regarded as an honorful player.
of course, having an attitude like "i'm only saying gg when i really think it was a 'good game'" is everyones free choice to make. but please, don't be whining when people truthfully state a lack of fair sportsmanship in such cases.
on the other hand i don't know why draco is complaining about this, results speak for themselves after all. whatever.
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I agree with Nony. I barely ever say GG either, and I barely ever get GG's. If you think hes meaning to be disrespectful, just ask. All in all though people kinda jumped on Nony unfairly, hes not a bad guy. Even if he didn't say gg because he was angry [which was not the case] its still understandable. Its a heated, stressful event. If any perceived disrespect occurs, you can clear it up when the situation is more calm.
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On May 31 2008 21:14 ret wrote:
i'm sure nony doesn't say gg for a reason, and it's cause he hates losing, he just fabricates a theory here that really makes anyone think..why bother giving it so much thought and just say gg like everyone else.
agreed
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On June 01 2008 08:32 ScarFace wrote:
I agree with Nony. I barely ever say GG either, and I barely ever get GG's. If you think hes meaning to be disrespectful, just ask. All in all though people kinda jumped on Nony unfairly, hes not a bad guy. Even if he didn't say gg because he was angry [which was not the case] its still understandable. Its a heated, stressful event. If any perceived disrespect occurs, you can clear it up when the situation is more calm.
why do people have such needs to be different? just type the 2 letters it has been the symbol for defeat at the end of a starcraft game for 10 years now?
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On June 01 2008 10:30 ret wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2008 08:32 ScarFace wrote:
I agree with Nony. I barely ever say GG either, and I barely ever get GG's. If you think hes meaning to be disrespectful, just ask. All in all though people kinda jumped on Nony unfairly, hes not a bad guy. Even if he didn't say gg because he was angry [which was not the case] its still understandable. Its a heated, stressful event. If any perceived disrespect occurs, you can clear it up when the situation is more calm. why do people have such needs to be different? just type the 2 letters it has been the symbol for defeat at the end of a starcraft game for 10 years now? It's not a matter of being different, its just the way you are. Personally, I don't say gg because im an emotional player. I get pissed off and I storm out of the game. Though when I reflect on the game I wish I had congratulated the person who beat me. I don't mean disrespect to the person who beat me, its not a snip against him. I'm just angry and quickly want to leave. Other people just don't think of saying gg, and want to move on to the next game. It's not a want to be a different, its just the way you are.
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Take professions of other kinds. Music, or Cooking (i think of Iron Chef or something) MMA, the fighters generally hug or shake hands after the fight. its a ceremony. It has an importance to these individuals. Now, playing online and then later being broadcasted may not be as "epic" or as public,or LIVE, but the money is there still, and so that level of play. Theres a reward you are getting that the thousands of others couldnt get.
I think a little "gg" doesnt do anyone harm, but keep in mind the talent the top players worked hard for, or may have been blessed and endowed with a little more than others. I think the respect for the other players should be taken into consideration. I admit I have left a game or so without saying GG, but it doesnt mean I have to always look down on it. The Razer TSL is one of the most exciting ladders I have watched. It almost took the place of the Korean Leagues for me, but it was still as competitive. I think for something that garnered THAT much attention, should be treated as such to preserve that professional and competitive nature of the game is in korea. I wouldnt want to see that changed for anything. (even though the spectators just watch replays, but still)
In boxing, I like to tap the opponents glove after a flurry, it is a break in the fight to keep the competition friendly. But also recognizes their skill. Being in the heat of battle like that, I dont think of it as "another empty ceremony" Its something I love doing. And especially music.
Whenever I jam or something, its just nice to compliment the other players and give them a turn to solo or something. Its just fun and I love doing it. The pride even. I am not widely known or anything, but I watch my words and deeds because it may bite back at me if Im not careful, I think if I do get more and more known. I still will be myself, but I would like to be also known as being well mannered, along with being a guitar player.
Nony is a great starcraft player. Thats still gonna be for darn sure. Just keep in mind we like watching the games that you and many others made pretty exciting.
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Being an "emotional" player or "just the way you are" is not an acceptable excuse for refusing to say gg after a match in the quarter finals of the TL Star League.
What would people think if Federer refused to shake hands with Nadal after losing a match? Look what happened when Savior simply took off his headphones before saying gg. He got punished for it. Basic etiquette matters in a competitive environment.
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I don't understand how people can have such strongly formed opinions on saying "LOL U LOSE NUB" at the end of a match when I beat nubs. There is no official rule and there is no unofficial consensus. I think it ridiculous to draw conclusions about a person based on the presence or absence of saying "LOL U LOSE NUB" without knowing what it means to that person. To me it means nothing. I feel absolutely the same whether my opponent says "LOL U LOSE NUB" or not.
The presence of "LOL U LOSE NUB" in my match against D- nubs has communicated a sentiment which I never had and so I apologize for that miscommunication. I respect all the bw nubs, including D- ones. I wish all the spectators to simply enjoy the games and I wish to do nothing that would obstruct that enjoyment. If D- nubs became hostile only because they thought I was hostile, then it was simply a misunderstanding and I happily forgive them.
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On June 01 2008 16:18 VIB wrote:
I don't understand how people can have such strongly formed opinions on saying "LOL U LOSE NUB" at the end of a match when I beat nubs. There is no official rule and there is no unofficial consensus. I think it ridiculous to draw conclusions about a person based on the presence or absence of saying "LOL U LOSE NUB" without knowing what it means to that person. To me it means nothing. I feel absolutely the same whether my opponent says "LOL U LOSE NUB" or not.
The presence of "LOL U LOSE NUB" in my match against D- nubs has communicated a sentiment which I never had and so I apologize for that miscommunication. I respect all the bw nubs, including D- ones. I wish all the spectators to simply enjoy the games and I wish to do nothing that would obstruct that enjoyment. If D- nubs became hostile only because they thought I was hostile, then it was simply a misunderstanding and I happily forgive them.
n1, makes a good point.
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On June 01 2008 12:12 ScarFace wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2008 10:30 ret wrote:On June 01 2008 08:32 ScarFace wrote:
I agree with Nony. I barely ever say GG either, and I barely ever get GG's. If you think hes meaning to be disrespectful, just ask. All in all though people kinda jumped on Nony unfairly, hes not a bad guy. Even if he didn't say gg because he was angry [which was not the case] its still understandable. Its a heated, stressful event. If any perceived disrespect occurs, you can clear it up when the situation is more calm. why do people have such needs to be different? just type the 2 letters it has been the symbol for defeat at the end of a starcraft game for 10 years now? It's not a matter of being different, its just the way you are. Personally, I don't say gg because im an emotional player. I get pissed off and I storm out of the game. Though when I reflect on the game I wish I had congratulated the person who beat me. I don't mean disrespect to the person who beat me, its not a snip against him. I'm just angry and quickly want to leave. Other people just don't think of saying gg, and want to move on to the next game. It's not a want to be a different, its just the way you are.
Do you know what you just described? A sore loser...
For example, in sports like tennis, people usually shake hands after a match. If one player loses and then storms off he IS a sore loser. Its the same thing.
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On June 01 2008 17:06 mindspike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2008 12:12 ScarFace wrote:On June 01 2008 10:30 ret wrote:On June 01 2008 08:32 ScarFace wrote:
I agree with Nony. I barely ever say GG either, and I barely ever get GG's. If you think hes meaning to be disrespectful, just ask. All in all though people kinda jumped on Nony unfairly, hes not a bad guy. Even if he didn't say gg because he was angry [which was not the case] its still understandable. Its a heated, stressful event. If any perceived disrespect occurs, you can clear it up when the situation is more calm. why do people have such needs to be different? just type the 2 letters it has been the symbol for defeat at the end of a starcraft game for 10 years now? It's not a matter of being different, its just the way you are. Personally, I don't say gg because im an emotional player. I get pissed off and I storm out of the game. Though when I reflect on the game I wish I had congratulated the person who beat me. I don't mean disrespect to the person who beat me, its not a snip against him. I'm just angry and quickly want to leave. Other people just don't think of saying gg, and want to move on to the next game. It's not a want to be a different, its just the way you are. Do you know what you just described? A sore loser... For example, in sports like tennis, people usually shake hands after a match. If one player loses and then storms off he IS a sore loser. Its the same thing.
yeah really funny how he says "im angry and wanna leave" and at the same time come up with the theory that other people like nony dont gg for other reasons.... newsflash: everybody, including nony, leaves the game without GGing cus they are angry and just wanna leave quickly. Making up a huge ass theory so you dont even have to admit to yourself that u have a problem with losing just shows how much of an inflated ego you have.
After reading Idras Interviews and now reading nonys posts and seeing his behavior in TSL I am starting to wonder why the newer US top players have to be such huge immature and ignorant douchebags.
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Draco says he only plays a single game against the computer to practice. How do you feel about this?
lol
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On May 29 2008 07:31 qrs wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2008 06:54 likeaboss wrote:
nony didnt say gg once? what a whiney little bitch Again with the e-drama.
On May 29 2008 07:50 Carnac wrote:
No one has made an "E-drama" out of this, don't be ridiculous.
*shrug*
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wow... people are reading into this a bit too much imo oO
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Nony is a joke. Sorry.
Not saying GG in a live streaming game in a large tournament is the same as throwing a temper tantrum. You're basically stomping your feet and crying in the middle of the supermarket because you're angry you didn't get your way. Nony is a child. He knew it's rude and did it anyways because he has no respect for TSL and his opponent. He's out now, who cares what happens. That's the way children think. Maybe you could take out your frustration on another stripper with your lacrosse buddies at Duke, Nony.
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On June 01 2008 16:18 VIB wrote:
I don't understand how people can have such strongly formed opinions on saying "LOL U LOSE NUB" at the end of a match when I beat nubs. There is no official rule and there is no unofficial consensus. I think it ridiculous to draw conclusions about a person based on the presence or absence of saying "LOL U LOSE NUB" without knowing what it means to that person. To me it means nothing. I feel absolutely the same whether my opponent says "LOL U LOSE NUB" or not.
The presence of "LOL U LOSE NUB" in my match against D- nubs has communicated a sentiment which I never had and so I apologize for that miscommunication. I respect all the bw nubs, including D- ones. I wish all the spectators to simply enjoy the games and I wish to do nothing that would obstruct that enjoyment. If D- nubs became hostile only because they thought I was hostile, then it was simply a misunderstanding and I happily forgive them.
saying "gg" is an official rule in the tsl.
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