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knyttym
United States5797 Posts
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useLess
United States4781 Posts
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
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G5
United States2921 Posts
You don't even ask for the reps you just see america vs america 3-0 and u ban me? To be quite honest I don't even care at this point. I think I would care more (actually I would be fucken furious) if it wouldn't mean Machine being kicked out since he is easily my best friend from sc or if the TL Admins didn't so strongly express how much they don't want me around for causing them to do some work. Not even asking for the replays and banning me is just proof of this. If any admins want the replays I will send them to be viewed but oops that would require another 15 minutes of work. But let me be very clear about this, LzGaMeR is my friend (hang me now! what a crime!) and the only reason I asked him to game was because all B guys were dodging me with only 30 minutes or w/e to go. He told me when I asked him that he would feel bad if he knocked me out (ret said this to me too when I played him 1 or 2 days ago, lets all say I abused and took a free win vs him also) and I told him all dodge me and I need to play. So he agree'd and we played. Maybe there was a silent notion of giving me wins and he didn't try as hard but we never arranged anything and the games were legit as far as I'm concerned. So don't even talk about banning Lz. Secondly - yes I made a mistake vs MIStrZZZ and I am sorry for that. Thirdly - and I am VERY sick of hearing this, so let me make this clear. I did not drop hack anyone and I did not intentionally disc vs anyone. And I am assuming the 2 disc complaints were 1. MIStrZZZ which we covered and 2. The kid who got me reset for nothing. Fourthly - I made the 2 complaints before the ladder ended and 1 after the ladder ended and the 1 which was accepted by HOTBID, KENNIGIT and a ICCup Admin was submitted before ladders end so I don't see why I am being held accountable for that either? So basically I got banned for 2 things which were already dealt with (which unfortunately caused you admins to do your jobs, oh my gosh lets get out the hammer now) then playing my friend 3 times. I will admit that there was a feeling (especially when he went T) that he wasn't going to be trying to hard and I did/do feel a little dirty about that but I tried hard and so did he in w/e race he played (T being his only off-race). It's like KeSPa saying "lets ban sAviOr for going off-race vs ChoJJa. Obviously a free win!". once again let me make this clear that there was no pre-game arrangement of him giving me free wins. Simply that we were playing cuss I couldn't get a game and I think he was happy to play B+. It's clear you guys don't like me so I will just go back to gaming outside of TSL and watch from the sidelines as I am now required to do so w/e. Just stop with the "We have been more than fair and accommodating to him" and "TSL admins have done nothing by try to be fair in the situations that have arisen". From what I hear you were going to ban me immediately when the drop hack accusations came up if it wern't for Artosis defending me and telling u to talk to me 1st. I guess there was no 1 to tell you guys this time that maybe you should look at the replays before jumping to the ban wagon. I guess thats 1 thing your good at though. And no need to say the good ol' "get lost" post because you simply don't care about me / spending time doing your "job". I am out of here, this was the worst ladder experience I have ever had. Yes a part of it was my fault but the others were simply having admins run the ladder who get a kick out of punishing / banning people and getting praise by mindless kids on a forum. What I learned in the MIStrZZZ case was that if you guys would actually spend as much time working on the individual problems in this ladder as you do trying to enhance reputation, do damage control and make fancy "look who we banned" posts to please the general audience, you guys would actually be good admins. Right now your just normal admins who handle situations with the attitude of "how will this affect us?" which isn't good. I won't look at this disgusting page again, so you are free to say w/e you want about what happened in our convo's and how "fairly" you treated me and not get called on it. Have fun. Once again, I would care more if it wasn't Machine taking my spot. So I will end this with a good ol 1 2 3 Bryce "Machine" Bates FIGHTING!!!!!!!!!!!! SHOW EM WHAT CALI'S GOT! C ya~ | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36390 Posts
On April 22 2008 13:09 G5 wrote: ??????????? You don't even ask for the reps you just see america vs america 3-0 and u ban me? To be quite honest I don't even care at this point. I think I would care more (actually I would be fucken furious) if it wouldn't mean Machine being kicked out since he is easily my best friend from sc or if the TL Admins didn't so strongly express how much they don't want me around for causing them to do some work. Not even asking for the replays and banning me is just proof of this. If any admins want the replays I will send them to be viewed but oops that would require another 15 minutes of work. But let me be very clear about this, LzGaMeR is my friend (hang me now! what a crime!) and the only reason I asked him to game was because all B guys were dodging me with only 30 minutes or w/e to go. He told me when I asked him that he would feel bad if he knocked me out (ret said this to me too when I played him 1 or 2 days ago, lets all say I abused and took a free win vs him also) and I told him all dodge me and I need to play. So he agree'd and we played. Maybe there was a silent notion of giving me wins and he didn't try as hard but we never arranged anything and the games were legit as far as I'm concerned. So don't even talk about banning Lz. Secondly - yes I made a mistake vs MIStrZZZ and I am sorry for that. Thirdly - and I am VERY sick of hearing this, so let me make this clear. I did not drop hack anyone and I did not intentionally disc vs anyone. And I am assuming the 2 disc complaints were 1. MIStrZZZ which we covered and 2. The kid who got me reset for nothing. Fourthly - I made the 2 complaints before the ladder ended and 1 after the ladder ended and the 1 which was accepted by HOTBID, KENNIGIT and a ICCup Admin was submitted before ladders end so I don't see why I am being held accountable for that either? So basically I got banned for 2 things which were already dealt with (which unfortunately caused you admins to do your jobs, oh my gosh lets get out the hammer now) then playing my friend 3 times. I will admit that there was a feeling (especially when he went T) that he wasn't going to be trying to hard and I did/do feel a little dirty about that but I tried hard and so did he in w/e race he played (T being his only off-race). It's like KeSPa saying "lets ban sAviOr for going off-race vs ChoJJa. Obviously a free win!". once again let me make this clear that there was no pre-game arrangement of him giving me free wins. Simply that we were playing cuss I couldn't get a game and I think he was happy to play B+. It's clear you guys don't like me so I will just go back to gaming outside of TSL and watch from the sidelines as I am now required to do so w/e. Just stop with the "We have been more than fair and accommodating to him" and "TSL admins have done nothing by try to be fair in the situations that have arisen". From what I hear you were going to ban me immediately when the drop hack accusations came up if it wern't for Artosis defending me and telling u to talk to me 1st. I guess there was no 1 to tell you guys this time that maybe you should look at the replays before jumping to the ban wagon. I guess thats 1 thing your good at though. And no need to say the good ol' "get lost" post because you simply don't care about me / spending time doing your "job". I am out of here, this was the worst ladder experience I have ever had. Yes a part of it was my fault but the others were simply having admins run the ladder who get a kick out of punishing / banning people and getting praise by mindless kids on a forum. What I learned in the MIStrZZZ case was that if you guys would actually spend as much time working on the individual problems in this ladder as you do trying to enhance reputation, do damage control and make fancy "look who we banned" posts to please the general audience, you guys would actually be good admins. Right now your just normal admins who handle situations with the attitude of "how will this affect us?" which isn't good. I won't look at this disgusting page again, so you are free to say w/e you want about what happened in our convo's and how "fairly" you treated me and not get called on it. Have fun. Once again, I would care more if it wasn't Machine taking my spot. So I will end this with a good ol 1 2 3 Bryce "Machine" Bates FIGHTING!!!!!!!!!!!! SHOW EM WHAT CALI'S GOT! C ya~ Savior offraced vs GoRush. | ||
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That_guy
47 Posts
His Jaedong! His Jaedong! I must touch it! | ||
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1133 Posts
Relying on suspicion alone is hardly fair, solid proof is what makes decisions respectable. But hey, you guys run the show, G5 looked a like cool player to begin with anyways... | ||
Manifesto7
Osaka27166 Posts
G5, what do you think was different for you than the other 45 gamers that required no babysitting? | ||
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Superiorwolf
United States5509 Posts
Yeah I can't believe he got that wrong -_- And to G5, don't think that your whiny, bitchy post is going to get you anything here: pity, sympathy, or a place back in the top 48. All you've done is lose even more respect. Does anyone want to listen to a nerdy bad manner dick who doesn't know how to follow the rules? Insulting the TSL admins and teamliquid in general is just going to justify that you SHOULD be removed from the top 48. If you just calmed down, didn't act like a rude little bitch and at least appreciated the TSL admin's work and consideration you might get a bit more leniency. But so far you have proved that you are uncapable of being anything other than something that no one likes. Seriously. No one cares about your opinion, no one cares that you think this was the worst ladder experience you've ever had, and no one cares about YOU. I know I'm sucking up here, but I have to say, so many people appreciate what TSL and the people who have organized TSL have done that your bitching won't change anything. So, in your own words, "get lost". | ||
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Daveed
United States236 Posts
On April 22 2008 13:19 Superiorwolf wrote: Yeah I can't believe he got that wrong -_- Yeah, I can't believe that's the one thing you get out of this. | ||
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swat
Australia142 Posts
On April 22 2008 13:16 Manifesto7 wrote: Its amazing that some people are able to play BW and have no problems whatsoever, yet it is those that cause problems and create drama that accuse organizers of incompetence. G5, what do you think was different for you than the other 45 gamers that required no babysitting? agreed | ||
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Dromar
United States2145 Posts
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EGMachine
United States1643 Posts
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
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FirstProbe
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mikeymoo
Canada7170 Posts
I thought Machine's internet was down though? | ||
jkillashark
United States5262 Posts
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CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
On April 22 2008 12:37 {88}iNcontroL wrote: WTf? Will you shut the hell up those people were RIGHT your defending of him was WRONG. ROFL. What I said from minute ONE was that the only thing he could have done wrong was play more than the allowed number of games. Please re-check my posts if you beg to differ. YOU (as well as others) were implying that Flaf lost on purpose to Ultraling, which would make it a clear case of abuse. However, after the admins checked the replays, they didn't say anything about the games not being legit (as you and others stated over and over), but that he only played more games than he allowed. That whole theory with Deathangel losing to Flaf who in turn lost to Ultraling, all on purpose is untrue. Your theory of "abusing a friend who wouldn't qualify anyway" was proven to be untrue. So no, I won't shut the hell up. I was right when I said the games were legit. You were wrong when you implied Flaf dropped them on purpose. Capisci? | ||
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
While it does seem like abuse, he didn't break any rules. Maybe LZ tried to experiment or something in those games and didn't want to risk his TSL account or something. At any rate, although smurfs should be banned in future tournaments, there was in fact nothing banning it in this one, and it feels weird banning someone for that. And as for the previous "abuses", I was under the impression that they were all resolved as per the usual procedures. Complaining about use of the ladder's anti-abuse system seems :-/ if the end consensus was that there was no abuse in game. I mean, if I appeared to have been drop hacked in a tournament where every game counts and I was winning, I would complain too. Sure it turned out to be a mistake, but thats why the anti-abuse people exist...why compain about them being put to use Also simply because there were complaints against you does not mean that should be a reason to ban unless the complaints were checked and found to be legit (aka he actually was abusing, as per the complaint said). I don't know what happened to the 3 complaints mentioned in the OP, but all that was stated was that there were complaints against him, not that he was determined to be guilty as charged, and I was under the impression that people are innocent until proven guilty. Otherwise organizing compaints against competitors would be a nice way to ensure a better chance at winning  So yea, I don't think G5 should've been banned unless the games are determined to be purposefully lost (which is not stated either way in the OP, although from the game summary on ICCUP they sure look that way). EDIT: LZ played a few games on that smurf during TSL, including one against Naz and Inc, so it's not like he randomly revived that account for the sole purpose of playing G5...although the games are spread out thinly and there's not that many of them. | ||
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Dinosaur
Denmark112 Posts
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