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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
does everyone who makes interesting threads "work for the site" ? incontrol is not able to "directly edit the site". all he can do is upload replays and put in a description for them. and iccup rules are iccup rules, why aren't you complaining on the iccup forums. | ||
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SCC-Faust
United States3736 Posts
On April 23 2008 08:08 travis wrote: there is a thread with the TSL rules and it says nothing about ICCup's rules Yeah, which is why I edited my post (sorry if you only read my original version) - that they may have used ICCup's rules as a possible guideline. The mentioning of over-the-play limit in the original post was: "Unfortunately for him, with the very small point difference between the top 48 players, the removal of 4 of his games (to make it 18, 9 per day) removes him from the standings of the top 48." So if they aren't using the iCCup rules, and they never mentioned this before, I think it is appropriate to not even allow this rule to be used. How is a player to assume they are going to make this rule up right when TSL ends? Otherwise, if they did use the iCCup rules, they should penalize everyone equally. If they view Ultralings games as abuse, then I assume they did the right action. But just for playing over the limit; that is not right. Unless I am missing something and this rule was stated in TSL beforehand? | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
Pretty clear that the situation is discretionary. Had those 12 games been against a friend of mine the day of the deadline or had any other circumstance that was questionable I could see room for complain (as people did with G5/Ultraling/Ex/Fenix etc). I did not know oystein and I even said as much to him in one of our games. All my games are uploaded and near 30 minutes each (he's a nice player). I know you'd love to see me get removed or something cause I made a big deal of ultraling but the fact is I do not have the same factors as ultraling and you are trying to draw comparisons that do not exist. And for the last damn time even if I worked for the site it wouldn't matter. The TSL rules specifically don't say "same as ICCUP rules" or w/e. The 9 games at B is a measure so as to look towards when someone grossly oversteps that. Playing 3 games more the day before when everyone is dodging against someone I have no relation to is NOT abuse stop trying to paint me an abuser. | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On April 23 2008 08:12 SCC-Faust wrote: Yeah, which is why I edited my post (sorry if you only read my original version) - that they may have used ICCup's rules as a possible guideline. The mentioning of over-the-play limit in the original post was: So if they aren't using the iCCup rules, and they never mentioned this before, I think it is appropriate to not even allow this rule to be used. How is a player to assume they are going to make this rule up right when TSL ends? Otherwise, if they did use the iCCup rules, they should penalize everyone equally. If they view Ultralings games as abuse, then I assume they did the right action. But just for playing over the limit; that is not right. Unless I am missing something and this rule was stated in TSL beforehand? LOOK AT THE BOLD NO I didnt game my teammate/countrymen/friend MINUTES before the deadline and magically win them all in under 10 minutes. THAT is the situation ultraling finds himself in NOT ME. CAN YOU SEE THIS? | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On April 22 2008 11:16 Kennigit wrote: <font size = "4">Top 48 Changes</font> As part of an ongoing investigation to make sure the most worthy and legitimate players are part of the TSL top 48, we have run into a number issues surrounding players "abusing" or taking advantage of iCCup policy with regards to the number of games they can play against competitors. iCCup's current policy is 9 games per day per player maximum and unfortunately as we saw at the end of the ladder this resulted in some less than credible matches being played between friends. TSL admins have been forced to walk a fine line with what is fair and what is justifiable with regards to our rulings. it's not about iccup's rule. it's about whether or not the staff think the players were abusing the system. and no, there is no better way to deal with it. | ||
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ZpuX
Sweden1230 Posts
Faust, some games are under the category "abuse", just as ultralings games. You have to see it as it really is, not just look at the number of games, as it's only a small part of how the admins judgde each case... | ||
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geno
United States1404 Posts
I don't know if anyone actually looked at the numbers to back up the claim that Incontrol would be out, but its not the case. He would lose 291 points, which would place him firmly between Testie and Machine (which, with G5 and UltraLinG's removal, is a spot in the top 48). Ultraling would have lost 263 points from his series on the second to last day (his last series was only 8 games), which would have dropped him to 8322 points, a position well out of the top 48 (which in turn causes the rankings to shift up, which is what keeps Testie, Inctronl, and Machine safe). | ||
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FamousRobot
United States28 Posts
Making a thread in the forums is not the same thing as Incontrol being allowed to upload a replay to the section. Can ANYONE upload a replay anytime they want to that section? Incontrol has special privileges that allow him to edit this site in ways normal users cannot. THEN he breaks the same rule as another TSL player and is not punished. I don't care for either player, but the whole situation is shady. The goal of TSL was to emulate the professional Korean leagues. Keyword being professional. This is nowhere near professional. | ||
Chill
Calgary25993 Posts
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
and you also clearly have a deeper understanding of how the korean leagues are ran, than the TL staff (which includes people who have been involved with the korean leagues, including a couple people who actually played in them) someone just ban this troll plz | ||
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Chill
Calgary25993 Posts
Let's just say it's no accident that he only started posting once Inc got mentioned in this thread | ||
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SCC-Faust
United States3736 Posts
On April 23 2008 08:31 Chill wrote: How's it shady? So we bump inc down 300 points, he still qualifies. Hot_Bid has said we're not going to shuffle the draw around every time we find 30 points here or there. Good point lol. | ||
Daigomi
South Africa4316 Posts
The decision was made after considering many influencing factors, of which some of the most important ones were the connection between the two players, the position of the players, and the gains by each player. Looking at all these factors we made a decision that Ultraling played against his clanmate specifically with the intention of gaining a position in the top 48 through unfair methods. This cost his clanmate no position in the tournmanet, while there is no way Ultraling would have qualified without the games against FlaF, as he gained an astonishing 863 points against FlaF over the course of two days. iNcontroL on the other hand has no personal connection with Oystein, and probably cost Oystein a shot at qualifying by beating him. Furthermore, iNcontroL and Oystein were breaking fairly even until the end of their match, with iNcontroL only gaining 88 points. It is only in the last four games (which average 22 minutes in length) that iNcontroL managed to extend his lead to 475 points. In the match, after which Oystein gave in. As mentioned earlier, these matches probably cost Oystein his position in the TSL. Looking at these two examples it cannot be said that they were in similar situations concerning the rule. The admins decided that Ultraling's case constituted abuse of the system, while iNcontroL's simply constitute a case of having played too many games. Furthermore, even if iNcontrol's games were subtracted from his total score, he would only lose 291 points and still remain in the top 48 players, while Ultraling's 388 points would cause him to drop from the top 48. For these reasons, and other smaller ones, we have removed the games from Ultraling's score but not from iNcontroL's. Remember, this rule has always been enforced only in cases deemed abuse by the admins. We apologize if this caused any inconvenience for those following the league and for the players, and we will make sure the rules are more clear on this next season. We hope you understand our decision on this matter though, and that you appreciate the difficult choices we have been forced to make. We will not revert this decision. | ||
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tehsex
296 Posts
"I didnt game my teammate/countrymen/friend MINUTES before the deadline and magically win them all in under 10 minutes. THAT is the situation ultraling finds himself in NOT ME. " puhlease... its zvz and ... maybe ultraling is simply better then flaf ? how about u guys simply ask for the replays? u made saving reps mandatory... make some use of that. | ||
Manifesto7
Osaka27166 Posts
The issue has been settled. We have 100 other things that demand our attention and are more important than this. We will now focus our energies on preparing for a tournament rather than explaining our decisions. | ||
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tehsex
296 Posts
 its just u take this decision too easy imho anyway... whatever | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
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Artosis
United States2140 Posts
![[image loading]](http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/2964/motivator2879088wr3.jpg) MACHINE FIGHTING!!!! | ||
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Demoninja
United States1190 Posts
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Superiorwolf
United States5509 Posts
By far, the recent TSL drama has been quite surprising. Especially with famous players caught hacking and two new people kicked out of top 48, G5 and Ultraling. Sure, if I had been kicked out I would have been pissed, but G5 took it to a whole new level. The best course of action would be to apologize for the mistakes he did... or even the mistakes he didn't do. I have found that saying sorry is always the best way to regain some lost composure. People look at you better than when you, in a spontaneous rage, flame everything and everybody. People have their own problems in life. So really, do you believe that they wish to add your complaining to their list? As Manifesto said, no one wants to babysit you. Had you, G5, apologized, you may have been given a second chance. Had you apologized, you would AT LEAST be able to participate in the next TSL (if there is one) with some dignity, and wouldn't be so looked down upon as you are now. Had you just apologized, you wouldn't look like the complete retard you do now. I find it funny. You're so immature, and though I am still immature I still know when it's the right time to take responsibility and own up to what you've done. You don't even care to realize the work put into this by the TSL admins. You added on work to their shoulders because you couldn't play honestly, such as foul play. I think you'll regret the words you said in the future. By insulting everyone, you have shown your true face of a lying, bad mannered idiot. Though you had already shown signs of it before, it's finally been confirmed. Your inability to take responsibility for your own trouble-causing is the cause of your punishment, and yet you still cannot grasp that concept. So be happy, knowing the fact that whenever you participate in any event, that I, and several others, now fully understanding the mask of lies you hid beneath, having shown your true colors, will be the first to root against you. I'm not speaking for EVERYONE... *ahem*Shiv*cough*cough*... but I don't believe anyone would even care now had you disappeared off the face of the Earth and never came back. So quit Starcraft for all I care. In my books, you're not welcome here. | ||
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