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EGLzGaMeR
United States1867 Posts
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Frits
11782 Posts
It's not that they removed you because they don't like you, it's that you got yourself removed because you always get yourself into shit when others don't. See the pattern here? You're the problem. It's funny how some people think that G5 got removed for being nothing but trouble, his troublemaking skills just make it more believable that G5 is the kind of guy who would do this sort of thing. In the end it's those 3 games that got him set back, and very rightfully so. | ||
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CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
Oh and btw the rule with "no more than 9 games in same day vs same play" was written by LRM)Scythe on iccup.com like few hours ago. See this link, post #75. Scythe saying "Thanks for remind me, let me go update the rules"... Also many players played more than 9 games vs same person in same day and if you would delete all games of them too, this would happen: TSL-Redeemer out of top 48: Look how redeemer beat TSL-Oystein 9-3 in the last day of ICCup, so if last 3 games would be deleted redeemer would have 8708 (current) - 291 points, that would be 8417, out of top 48. So, iNc, how do you like them apples? You go around yelling that people are abusing their friends to get an advantage in the last day and you play TWELVE games vs Oystein? 9-3 at B+ level is pretty much the same amount of points gained as Ultraling's 7-1 games. And since all of the games were probably legit (yours and his) then you should both be reduced to 9 games per day. Correct? Also, White-Ra, Mondragon, Boxerz, Hannigan, Xiaozi, Strelok, all have over 10 games a day at one point or another, and some (like White-Ra) would fall out of top16 if you remove all games over 10. Now these games were not played in the last day, but if the rule sticks then it should apply to everyone. Right? Either way, while others might get away, you should definitely check out Redeemer's games. I guess he thought that the "blame everyone else and hope nobody will notice you" tactic will work. | ||
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IPS.ZeRo
Germany1142 Posts
Ultraling played against Flaf who doesn't participate in TSL, or at least not with that account. So he probably didn't really mind losing points so that his teammate gets into top48. Oystein and Inc on the other hand weren't far from each other before those games. Both wanted to qualify and oyestein lost points in that session, so that he missed the top48 later on. The White-ra and mondragon case is even more different. They were both aiming for top16 and the games were on A-. You can't abuse on A- in a way that both players benefit. They need need a clearer rule regarding this for the next season, but getting fast wins against a friend who is not competing for the top48 himself right before the end of the ladder is suspicious. If they wouldn't do anything about games looking so suspicious then it would be too easy to abuse if you need a few more points at the end of the qualification. | ||
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CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
On April 23 2008 02:09 DTF-ZeRo wrote: Hmm i would understand if the admins would remove those games, but if you think about it the case is quite different. Ultraling played against Flaf who doesn't participate in TSL, or at least not with that account. So he probably didn't really mind losing points so that his teammate gets into top48. Oystein and Inc on the other hand weren't far from each other before those games. Both wanted to qualify and oyestein lost points in that session, so that he missed the top48 later on. The White-ra and mondragon case is even more different. They were both aiming for top16 and the games were on A-. You can't abuse on A- in a way that both players benefit. They need need a clearer rule regarding this for the next season, but getting fast wins against a friend who is not competing for the top48 himself right before the end of the ladder is suspicious. If they wouldn't do anything about games looking so suspicious then it would be too easy to abuse if you need a few more points at the end of the qualification. You are right, Mondragon, White-Ra and others probably had nothing to benefit from playing more than 10 games. And regarding the Oystein and Inc both wanted to qualify, that's irrelevant. I never said the games were not legit. They probably are. But so are Ultraling's. And as long as the rules say you can play vs whoever you want, and the games are fair, then the only rule that was broke was the match limit per day rule. And both iNc and Ultraling broke this rule. So they should be both penalized. No question about it. I mean seriously, are you going to defend inc by saying "they were both in TSL so it's ok?". You either respect rules or you don't. Please don't let this degenerate back to "X let Y win" that's not the issue here, that's for admins to decide by watching replays. The only issue here is the game limit rule. | ||
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AdamBanks
Canada996 Posts
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
And got confused my self ? | ||
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CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
On April 23 2008 02:31 raga4ka wrote: hmm i saw this post on gg.net , by one of the crewmembers : ehm, haypro got "caught" hacking less than a year ago. Why ain't he banned? And got confused my self ? Because he was using Oblivion as an observer to a game. He said he's done it so he could see people's mineral count/supply/etc. IIRC there are no replays of him using oblivion in an actual game. | ||
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
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jtan
Sweden5891 Posts
But you gotta expect that after such a tough ladder with a lot of time and effort spended for the top players. I think the admins has done an awesome job so far, thanks for doing this! | ||
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IPS.ZeRo
Germany1142 Posts
On April 23 2008 02:15 CubEdIn wrote: You are right, Mondragon, White-Ra and others probably had nothing to benefit from playing more than 10 games. And regarding the Oystein and Inc both wanted to qualify, that's irrelevant. I never said the games were not legit. They probably are. But so are Ultraling's. And as long as the rules say you can play vs whoever you want, and the games are fair, then the only rule that was broke was the match limit per day rule. And both iNc and Ultraling broke this rule. So they should be both penalized. No question about it. I mean seriously, are you going to defend inc by saying "they were both in TSL so it's ok?". You either respect rules or you don't. Please don't let this degenerate back to "X let Y win" that's not the issue here, that's for admins to decide by watching replays. The only issue here is the game limit rule. Ok as i think about that again you are right.If we believe that the games were legit and as both ultraling's and incontrol's games were played on the B Ranks (I think the amount of games gets higher from D to A) that would be the same case and so all of those games >9 on one day have to be removed. | ||
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jeddus
United States832 Posts
I am resigned to not dispute their decisions in an event of this magnitude, but do pray for maturity to be upheld by everyone. | ||
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CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
I'm not saying that the admins aren't doing their job, I know you guys worked hard for this, and situations like these are piling up the crap. But it's an honest question, and it deserves an honest response. There are many players who broke the 9 games/day rule, and yet only one was sanctioned. How come? | ||
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goldrush
Canada709 Posts
On April 23 2008 05:14 CubEdIn wrote: Sorry to bump this, but has any official seen this? I mean, I'd like to hear a reply from someone in the staff. Does the rule apply to everyone or not? I'm not saying that the admins aren't doing their job, I know you guys worked hard for this, and situations like these are piling up the crap. But it's an honest question, and it deserves an honest response. There are many players who broke the 9 games/day rule, and yet only one was sanctioned. How come? In the thread that was deleted, I think I remember that they said they also took off 4 game's worth of points from a match between White-Ra and Mondragon but the point difference wasn't big enough to really matter. But it's a lot tighter at the bottom of the ladder so you notice it a more. | ||
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LordWeird
United States3411 Posts
It is obvious what happened, and why, and I find it mind-boggling that some people can actually talk like they know what happens behind-the-scenes. I'm sorry, but if ONE PLAYER brings so much goddamn trouble to the table, cheater or not, kick his sorry ass to the curb because he wasn't going to win or even place in the money. I will hand it to G5 for at least providing a semi-logical explanation for his actions, although there are no justifications for this blatant abuse. Cheers | ||
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OnCoke
Romania49 Posts
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KlaCkoN
Sweden1661 Posts
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gusbear
333 Posts
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OnCoke
Romania49 Posts
Anyway, it doesn't really matters since it seems that quite a number of players didn't follow it and are about to lose points. Koreans never get this kind of drama  ... they have no idea what they'r missing.ps: had no idea about testie .... wow ... 12 games lol. well, i guess it was an honour for TSL_Nosu to play that many games against the best foreign random player. | ||
RaGe
Belgium9950 Posts
On April 23 2008 01:41 CubEdIn wrote: Hi, Ultraling asked me to put together this post for you guys. Oh and btw the rule with "no more than 9 games in same day vs same play" was written by LRM)Scythe on iccup.com like few hours ago. See this link, post #75. Scythe saying "Thanks for remind me, let me go update the rules"... Also many players played more than 9 games vs same person in same day and if you would delete all games of them too, this would happen: TSL-Redeemer out of top 48: Look how redeemer beat TSL-Oystein 9-3 in the last day of ICCup, so if last 3 games would be deleted redeemer would have 8708 (current) - 291 points, that would be 8417, out of top 48. So, iNc, how do you like them apples? You go around yelling that people are abusing their friends to get an advantage in the last day and you play TWELVE games vs Oystein? 9-3 at B+ level is pretty much the same amount of points gained as Ultraling's 7-1 games. And since all of the games were probably legit (yours and his) then you should both be reduced to 9 games per day. Correct? Also, White-Ra, Mondragon, Boxerz, Hannigan, Xiaozi, Strelok, all have over 10 games a day at one point or another, and some (like White-Ra) would fall out of top16 if you remove all games over 10. Now these games were not played in the last day, but if the rule sticks then it should apply to everyone. Right? Either way, while others might get away, you should definitely check out Redeemer's games. I guess he thought that the "blame everyone else and hope nobody will notice you" tactic will work. theres a huge difference between the two and that is that UltraLing played his friend, and incontrol played a guy he doesnt really know. | ||
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