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Shiv
Profile Joined July 2003
France447 Posts
April 22 2008 10:29 GMT
#101
Thanks for the explanation and sorry for the trouble!
whats the rumpling?
mahnini
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States6862 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-22 10:36:53
April 22 2008 10:34 GMT
#102
This is bullshit, what the fuck guys? What the FUCK?

How can we have an awesome money ladder/tourney and STILL manage to fag this shit up with hacks/abuse/overall shadiness/stupidity?

Maybe the next TSL should be fucking invite only.

Another thing, does abuse have to be EXPLICITLY mentioned as a reason for ban? REALLY? I feel bad for G5 honestly, he played all those games only to get kicked for a reason he himself knew he would get in trouble for (among other things). Maybe the ban is too harsh or maybe isn't harsh enough, I'm going to have to trust the TL staff on this one.

In addition, as far as I'm concerned whatever Mani says is fucking set in stone.

Edit: so it wasn't a ban, like I said trust TL.
the world's a playground. you know that when you're a kid, but somewhere along the way everyone forgets it.
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13305 Posts
April 22 2008 10:44 GMT
#103
Abuse in inevitable. Most players do the right thing by the system, but there are always going to be those who ruin it for the many.

G5 did what he did, it has been dealt with. Whether or not people think it was the right thing is irrelevant now. A decision has been made, so it's time to move on.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27166 Posts
April 22 2008 10:47 GMT
#104
On April 22 2008 19:09 0z wrote:
Basically Hot_Bid's argument is: we work a lot, thanks us, don't look for mistakes.

Fine, the ladder looks great until now (really). No further comments from me. Just think if maybe improvement and progress don't somtimes come from people who don't just say 'Bravo' all the time.

And yeah, i have a comfortable chair, I hope that's not a problem.


No, HB's argument was we work really hard, thus we have a lot more information and experience dealing with these issues than you do. The decisions you are questioning are a result of a long and exhaustive process in which we analyzed all the possibilities. You are welcome to your opinion, but the TSL team has made the decision that it felt was best for the ladder.
ModeratorGodfather
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36390 Posts
April 22 2008 10:57 GMT
#105
Constructive, informed criticism is great. We actually fixed a lot of the problems with the ladder this way. Many of the top players spent time suggesting and discussing things with our staff, along with several others who volunteered their time and effort (flag being the most notable right now). Many others contributed by finding us music, writing interview questions, talking about format, donating art, or even something as small as finding grammatical or format or timing errors.
@Hot_Bid on Twitter - ESPORTS life since 2010 - http://i.imgur.com/U2psw.png
RaGe
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Belgium9950 Posts
April 22 2008 11:01 GMT
#106
Lol G5, 3 games vs an offrace playing friend that all last under 10 minutes (for TvP thats quite unusual I guess). And having that happen after numerous complaints..

I don't know why people doubt this decision
Moderatorsometimes I get intimidated by the size of my right testicle
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13305 Posts
April 22 2008 11:23 GMT
#107
Anyone with an ounce of common sense can see what G5 did.

Maybe he thought it wasn't against the rules, but the admins have found that it was.

Case closed people, move on!
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Jayson X
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Switzerland2431 Posts
April 22 2008 11:52 GMT
#108
People constantly confunse the right to play with a freeride to being a bitch.
It's the same when some people jump at iccup staff for being to slow or incompetent for whatever reason.

It's truly wonderfull how the majority of players are able to just play and have a good (or hard) time climbing the ladder. Lot's of excitement here and there and a league that, without a doubt, generates a ton of work for the admins but keeps on riding the path of success.

Some players need to just enjoy the game, maybe take a step back and think about why they're allways in the line of fire.

With eager i await the next step of tsl.

tehsex
Profile Joined April 2007
296 Posts
April 22 2008 12:17 GMT
#109
"tehsex, we are looking into the matter, but don't worry, our rules apply equally to all players, no matter who they are." daigomi
if theres no discrimination then i really dont see whats taking so long to penalize chosen and lz...
stenole
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Norway869 Posts
April 22 2008 12:21 GMT
#110
Ideally all players should play with only sportsmanship in mind. This means always playing your best, winning through fair means (by this I mean no cheating), not handpicking opponents or matchups, not using friendships to exploit tournament rules. I feel that several players have faltered to live up to this ideal. And I am not sad at all to see some of these players get punished for it.

Daigomi
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
South Africa4316 Posts
April 22 2008 12:41 GMT
#111
On April 22 2008 21:17 tehsex wrote:
"tehsex, we are looking into the matter, but don't worry, our rules apply equally to all players, no matter who they are." daigomi
if theres no discrimination then i really dont see whats taking so long to penalize chosen and lz...

Because I'm not in control of looking at abusers, and unfortunately everyone is very busy. HotBid is writing his finals this week, which is why he hasn't had the time to spend listening to every complaint.

All I can say is that we are handling it. I don't think you would have the dedication to spend 10 hours looking at abusers the day before your finals began, so just appreciate what our admins are putting into this, and have faith that we will address all issues as they are brought to our attention.
Moderator
Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
April 22 2008 13:17 GMT
#112
Hotbid and i spent 10 hours straight on TSL yesterday....actually sorry, 10 hours after the ladder ended. Cut us some slack
morfyy
Profile Joined May 2007
Romania593 Posts
April 22 2008 13:20 GMT
#113
Yupy TESTIE FTW
Ilvy
Profile Joined September 2002
Germany2445 Posts
April 22 2008 13:42 GMT
#114
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Thanks to the Staff for the great job, give them love not shouts
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25993 Posts
April 22 2008 14:44 GMT
#115
On April 22 2008 21:17 tehsex wrote:
"tehsex, we are looking into the matter, but don't worry, our rules apply equally to all players, no matter who they are." daigomi
if theres no discrimination then i really dont see whats taking so long to penalize chosen and lz...

They're looking into it. Jesus.
Moderator
b(O.o)p
Profile Joined November 2004
699 Posts
April 22 2008 14:58 GMT
#116
i didn't have the time to read through all 6 pages, so i'm sorry if it was mentioned before! but, what about mistrzzz games vs hannigan....he played 13 in a row while being rank "b" - according to the rules this isn't allowed, too - or am i mistaken?
the man known for his ANACONDA :)
Loophole
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States867 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-22 15:17:25
April 22 2008 15:13 GMT
#117
God if I hear one more person ask why X player hasn't been adjusted for too many games yet or why they haven't announced the top 48 yet I'm going to suicide. They've already said clearly that it will take them a little time. They aren't machines (outside of the bedroom).

G5 knew better than to play his friend for 3 wins to get him in the top 48. I'm sure he knew while he was doing it that it was going to be a problem.

I understand why some people would want something to be specifically in the rules in order for it to warrant a DQ, but sometimes you have to just let people use their god given ability to reason.
"Fundamental preparation is always effective. Work on those parts of your game that are fundamentally weak." -Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Night[Mare
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Mexico4793 Posts
April 22 2008 15:39 GMT
#118
life would be not life without drama. TSL admins are doing a great job. Congratulations are in order for them. Thanks for doing such events for the foreign community!
Teamliquidian townie
EGLzGaMeR
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1867 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-22 16:02:27
April 22 2008 15:39 GMT
#119
you guys act like i used the account only to play g5... i played on my other account quite a few other games while TSL was going on (WITH MY OFF RACES SO YALL CALL THEM) far as i knew everyone was playing with multi accounts, didnt hear i was not supose to... allrdy said i was sorry that i played g5 in legit games...in the last hour with my terran and protoss.. had no idea it woulda turned out like this, it was simply a bo5 on maybe.. my worst map ever.. KATRINA or maybe we should just call that map *Auir* since thats what it is =D

here's you guys a rep from my other "account" beating leggionair pvp 30 min game.. since my off race is now considered a free win~ enjoy ^^
http://www.sendspace.com/file/d5y6vh

whats done is done.. admins have mad there ruleing or call so~ thats that; and i wont argue with it. as im sad to see g5 go.. becasue he is such a good gamer.. just wasnt smart enough to dodge the koreans on the last week :p im happy to see machine get to qual~ he's a real good friend of mine~ ^^

gOgO Machine Fighting!!~~~
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28747 Posts
April 22 2008 16:15 GMT
#120
really.. you're his friend.. you're not a terran player.. he needs a couple hundred points to get top 48.. you play best of 3 against him tvp katrina with a nick where you don't care too much.......
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