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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On June 08 2009 23:19 zhaoli86 wrote: only 2 OSLs? Sorry but Nada is clearly superior to JD.. Yeah but Nada is overall the best player of all time even if he's been passed up by new talent, runner up goes to July. JD's got 2 OSLs in a climate that surpasses all the previous great's level of skill. And a MSL for good measure! | ||
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Musoeun
United States4324 Posts
On June 08 2009 17:04 Dice84 wrote: 2 OSL's + 1 MSL > 3 MSL's easily Not to mention, Jaedong overall career W-L ratio dominates Bisu's. Nobody touches him in this field unless someone corrects me. His achievement record is alot more decorated than Bisu's as well.  Call me a fanboy, I could care less, but fact is a fact.Career winrate: Jaedong 69% vs Bisu's 64% - a 5% difference. Given the 300+ games they've both played, that works out to a grand total of about 16 games difference. The only reason that's significanct here is that Jaedong has had to play relatively more games in his worst matchup. Well, as much as any player who's over 60% in all matchups (as both are) has a "worst" matchup. But the power rank isn't mainly about career - it's about right now. And right now, when they're both ripping everyone to shreds, most people will agree than the head-to-head victory gives Bisu the number one nod - for this month. | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On June 09 2009 00:51 Musoeun wrote: head-to-head victory gives Bisu the number one nod - for this month. I like how you expressed that. | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
On June 09 2009 00:51 Musoeun wrote: Career winrate: Jaedong 69% vs Bisu's 64% - a 5% difference. Given the 300+ games they've both played, that works out to a grand total of about 16 games difference. The only reason that's significanct here is that Jaedong has had to play relatively more games in his worst matchup. Well, as much as any player who's over 60% in all matchups (as both are) has a "worst" matchup. But the power rank isn't mainly about career - it's about right now. And right now, when they're both ripping everyone to shreds, most people will agree than the head-to-head victory gives Bisu the number one nod - for this month. Jaedong is 229-104 and bisu 205-113. 5% is pretty significant imo, specially the higher percentage they get. But it doesn't really matter whne it comes to who is the best player right now. | ||
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neotoss
China217 Posts
On June 09 2009 03:22 StylishVODs wrote: Jaedong is 229-104 and bisu 205-113. 5% is pretty significant imo, specially the higher percentage they get. But it doesn't really matter whne it comes to who is the best player right now. Between 2008-06-07 and 2009-06-07 Jaedong is 115 wins - 46 losses (71.43%) Bisu is 105 wins - 41 losses (71.92%) They have both really kicking ass record recently. I think it is compareable. Bisu has worse overall record due to his slump period from 2007-06 to 2008-06 with only about 56% win rate. | ||
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DamageControL
United States4222 Posts
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neotoss
China217 Posts
On June 09 2009 04:17 DamageControL wrote: Having a slump means your career wasn't doing well in that point. So as to who has a better career, the 5% makes a difference You are right about slump. But 5% overall does not have to mean that one is better than other or better career. For example, you could start with bad record at beginning, and have amazing record later on. If someone like JD has already really good record close to 70% win rate, you will have really hard time to catch up, even if you have 80% win rate for quite a while and being a better player in general. Does not get me wrong, I am not saying Bisu is better than JD. I think JD may slightly better overall. At moment they are compareable and dead even. | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8556 Posts
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DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
2) JD: That game last night is the only reason why he's at 2. He's still the best Z in the world 3) Effort: Raping shit left and right. Look the FPL's largest contributor. Effort. yeah baby 4) Leta: Dont fucking argue this one. His 2 port wraith is raping shit left and right, and he has a KILLER SPL record 5) Flash: Playing good. Not great. Not his Bacchus OSL level of play. But that game vs Leta was pure art and the only reason why he's this high 6) SkyHigh: is playing great. idk what to say here, he's a solid solid player 7) Violet: going 8-0 in R4 PL including wins over Bisu ... oh yeah8) Fantasy: did someone break this kids fingers? what is going on... 9) Kwanro: doing well..but not spectacular. He posted some serious results early this month 10) Stork/Jangbi/Zero | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
Zero doesn't deserve to be near the top10 this month and fantasy frankly neither... | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On June 09 2009 04:38 neotoss wrote: You are right about slump. But 5% overall does not have to mean that one is better than other or better career. For example, you could start with bad record at beginning, and have amazing record later on. If someone like JD has already really good record close to 70% win rate, you will have really hard time to catch up, even if you have 80% win rate for quite a while and being a better player in general. Does not get me wrong, I am not saying Bisu is better than JD. I think JD may slightly better overall. At moment they are compareable and dead even. What does signify a better career is titles, of which Jaedong is #1 and Bisu is #2 of the current top players. It's pretty hard to argue with Jaedong's winrate and better trophy case that he's had the better career, especially since he accomplished it in a shorter time. Also if Zero can take third place last PR then I'd expect Violet to upset more than just Fantasy in the PR this month. If he takes his game against Woongjin on top of everything else I'd say he's definitely outperforming even Skyhigh lately. Possibly over Flash and Leta, too. It could be exactly like that moment with Zero! "Since the first time since Flash bothered gracing the PR has someone else claimed top KT player on the PR!" It'd incite riots and everything. | ||
disciple
9071 Posts
On June 09 2009 04:38 neotoss wrote: You are right about slump. But 5% overall does not have to mean that one is better than other or better career. For example, you could start with bad record at beginning, and have amazing record later on. If someone like JD has already really good record close to 70% win rate, you will have really hard time to catch up, even if you have 80% win rate for quite a while and being a better player in general. Does not get me wrong, I am not saying Bisu is better than JD. I think JD may slightly better overall. At moment they are compareable and dead even. Speaking of percentages I've already posted it somewhere, will do it here as well. To give you example how good exactly JD and Bisu are...well over approximately 100 games, which is quite a long period of time, fantasy have around 55% win ratio, leta has near 60%, skyhigh doesnt even have 100 games in his record but his overall is somewhere around 60% as well, effort is the same story. JD however has 71% win ratio in his last 100 games and Bisu has even more- 75% (lol unexpected right?btw during his best 100 games savior had 68%)... This is a long period of time, and those two are holding their ground. If one of them didn't excited the other one would be considered easily the most dominant player of all time | ||
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Tyxiquale
Australia424 Posts
It could be exactly like that moment with Zero! "Since the first time since Flash bothered gracing the PR has someone else claimed top KT player on the PR!" It'd incite riots and everything. wasn't lux higher than flash just a month or two ago post MSL? | ||
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TaimalaiX
Canada88 Posts
Also if Zero can take third place last PR then I'd expect Violet to upset more than just Fantasy in the PR this month. If he takes his game against Woongjin on top of everything else I'd say he's definitely outperforming even Skyhigh lately. Possibly over Flash and Leta, too. It could be exactly like that moment with Zero! "Since the first time since Flash bothered gracing the PR has someone else claimed top KT player on the PR!" It'd incite riots and everything. Personally I'm a huge Flash fanboy and won't bother denying it, but would not be upset to have Violet above him on the PR. Violet deserves it and it's nothing but great as a Flash fan to see KT getting some Protoss muscle. | ||
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Severedevil
United States4839 Posts
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Musoeun
United States4324 Posts
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Avidkeystamper
United States8556 Posts
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latent
United States428 Posts
On June 09 2009 12:12 Musoeun wrote: By the way, I fully expect this thread to hit 1000 comments in the next day. Quick, someone say something (else) controversial! MOO! | ||
tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
 Flash is in a slump. Since the last PR, he has gone 4-2, losing to  Stork and JangBi on one awful night. Since then, he overwhelmed fantasy with flawless play, and beat Leta convincingly in a long game. Not to mention, he's beat the players he should normally beat. Flash hasn't been a devastating as... say,  EffOrt, but how you can put Leta above him, especially after their recent head-to-head is beyond me. Point is, Flash is not flashy, but he's winning. He deserves the number one Terran slot, I think that's fourth. | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
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