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On June 10 2009 09:40 StylishVODs wrote:
Yeah i meant that since it was just a dumb mistake that shouldn't reflect upon comparing who is better between Bisu and Jaedong.
Same goes for 5th game of the Bo5 ofcourse. That game didn't determine anything. These players are pretty much equal atm, and all their games turn out pretty onesided too. yeah, including the game between each other. lol. Bisu> Jaedong, decided by that game.
Look, every win is by making less mistakes than your opponent, be they dumb mistakes or subtle ones. Jaedong made more mistakes by Bisu, lost the game, and therefore determined his inferiority, as he has shown more flaws in his play ATM.
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oz vs cj
+ Show Spoiler +Effort just beat Jaedong. Should Jaedong still be above Effort? Effort's only recent losses were to Mind, and Bisu. And according to Jaedong logic, since Effort still finished out the series 2-1, the loss to Mind doesn't count. I'm thinking Bisu Effort Jaedong for top 3 now.
note: maybe jaedong match will go to ace match for jaedong to get another shot, but that would be jaedong's only option to not be #3 imo
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It's possible, it is a legitimately tough call. The deciding point will have been their game vs each other, but will it be enough? It really all depends on JWD, but I think the way he writes and analyzes players, Effort will have a really good change at being #2 on the 10th.
He won't be winning any Starleagues in my opinion, though. Heavily untested in the individuals.
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United States13143 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [KHAN vs SKT spoilers] +So, after that game against Bisu, I think Stork is a lock for one of the lower PR positions at the very least.
Also, it's nice seeing fantasy actually preform again.
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On June 10 2009 13:27 tree.hugger wrote: EffOrt > Jaedong. Does this change anything? Methinks not, but it makes it a hell of a lot more difficult to call. This kid will win a star-league this year. Guaranteed.
fuuuuck
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On June 10 2009 13:27 tree.hugger wrote:EffOrt > Jaedong. Does this change anything? Methinks not, but it makes it a hell of a lot more difficult to call. This kid will win a star-league this year. Guaranteed.
Jaedong is clearly the better player overall.
He just utterly destroyed Skyhigh in the ace match.
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skt1 vs samsung and oz vs cj
+ Show Spoiler +Moral of the story tonight: Bisu and Jaedong go 1-1, both winning impressive games in Ace after disappointing in earlier games. But Effort beat Jaedong, so thats gonna make things tricky ranking the top 3.
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I like how both Stork and Luxury are playing well again just in time to make the PR.
Also, after the ace game, I would be surprised to see Effort above Jaedong. Not that it isn't close, I just don't see it. The telling thing is the workload and how effectively Jaedong handles it.
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France5779 Posts
On June 10 2009 15:44 Avidkeystamper wrote:
I like how both Stork and Luxury are playing well again just in time to make the PR.
I can see Stork taking a spot, but Luxury should not be let anywhere near the PR.
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Good point, CNBC maybe? On the edge there.
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United States13143 Posts
On June 10 2009 15:44 Avidkeystamper wrote:
I like how both Stork and Luxury are playing well again just in time to make the PR.
Stork has been playing well since, pretty much, the last PR. 7-1 in his last 8, losing only to effort(although that game was bad on his part)
luxury shouldn't be anywhere near the PR anyway, though.
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I'd go with something like this:
#1 (P) Bisu -playing incredible, beat Jaedong therefore goes top
#2 (Z)Jaedong -still awesome, definitely deserves no.2
#3 (Z)EffOrt - fantastic record this month
#4 (T) Flash - only losses come against strong players, beat Leta recently
#5 (T)Leta - looks right back on form
#6 (P)Stork - beat his rival Bisu and only lost to Effort this month
#7 (T)fantasy - poor month by his recent standards
#8 (P)Violet - playing very well recently, beat Bisu this month
#9 (T)sKyHigh - has been playing well this month
#10 (Z)Kwanro - lots of wins this month, but hasn't been tested against the best
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Effort is on a winning rate only seen by the likes of Flash in recent history (23-3 is actually exactly the record he had when he was on top of a previous PR). He is absolutely dominating. If we're going by sheer record, he should actually be over Bisu at this point, who's only 17-3.
Also Effort has a very similar workload to Jaedong. He's in Gom, he's his Team's ace, and while his team isn't AS reliant on him he's definitely the second hardest worked zerg around next to Jaedong.
I personally wouldn't put him over Jaedong, as Jaedong has had particularly harder match ups in the games he's lost for the most part, but I wouldn't pitch a fit if he took #2 from Jaedong this month, unlike the Zero fiasco.
He's not gonna take #1 from Bisu though. Nearly a foregone conclusion with this PR.
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On June 10 2009 16:55 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Effort is on a winning rate only seen by the likes of Flash in recent history (23-3 is actually exactly the record he had when he was on top of a previous PR). He is absolutely dominating. If we're going by sheer record, he should actually be over Bisu at this point, who's only 17-3.
Also Effort has a very similar workload to Jaedong. He's in Gom, he's his Team's ace, and while his team isn't AS reliant on him he's definitely the second hardest worked zerg around next to Jaedong.
I personally wouldn't put him over Jaedong, as Jaedong has had particularly harder match ups in the games he's lost for the most part, but I wouldn't pitch a fit if he took #2 from Jaedong this month, unlike the Zero fiasco.
He's not gonna take #1 from Bisu though. Nearly a foregone conclusion with this PR.
I wouldn't say Effort is CJ's Ace. They played Kwanro against STX Soul and of course Skyhigh against Oz.
The fact that CJ didn't put Effort up against Jaedong in the Ace match shows that they didn't believe he stood a decent chance of winning.
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Common now. Put violet over Bisu pls. It would make as much sense as putting Effort over JD. Putting Zero over JD was ridiculous enough, don't make the same mistake two months in a row. I mean Jaedong is the only Zerg who's been consistent for almost two years. Effort is a great player,but until he dethrones JD in a series,or wins a championship,he should NEVER be above JD. Same for every Zerg. The same goes with every Protoss player. Until Bisu gets eliminated from all the leagues and loses a bo5 P v P,there should be no Protoss above him.
My list for this month would be
1.Bisu
2.Jaedong
3.Effort
4.Flash
5.Leta
6.Violet
7.Stork
8. Fantasy
9. Kespa again
10. Calm
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On June 10 2009 17:04 Klive5ive wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2009 16:55 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Effort is on a winning rate only seen by the likes of Flash in recent history (23-3 is actually exactly the record he had when he was on top of a previous PR). He is absolutely dominating. If we're going by sheer record, he should actually be over Bisu at this point, who's only 17-3.
Also Effort has a very similar workload to Jaedong. He's in Gom, he's his Team's ace, and while his team isn't AS reliant on him he's definitely the second hardest worked zerg around next to Jaedong.
I personally wouldn't put him over Jaedong, as Jaedong has had particularly harder match ups in the games he's lost for the most part, but I wouldn't pitch a fit if he took #2 from Jaedong this month, unlike the Zero fiasco.
He's not gonna take #1 from Bisu though. Nearly a foregone conclusion with this PR. I wouldn't say Effort is CJ's Ace. They played Kwanro against STX Soul and of course Skyhigh against Oz. The fact that CJ didn't put Effort up against Jaedong in the Ace match shows that they didn't believe he stood a decent chance of winning.
Yeah and Hite has played Yellow[Arnc], SKT1 has played Best, KTF plays ForGG -- that doesn't make these people the team's ace in general. Jaedong on Oz is one of the few teams where he will almost always be the Ace because he's the only one on their team capable of beating other aces. Other teams, like the ones mentioned, have some "a" class players but that doesn't stop the team's true top player from being their ace.
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United States12607 Posts
So does anyone want to talk about how much tonight's PL results fucked with what looked like a pretty simple PR just a few hours ago?
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Bisu and Jaedong lost, Jaedong to the then presumable #3 player, but then they both won Ace, also Skyhigh lost 2 in a row when he was a shoe in for the rank. What the hell Stork weasling his way back in somewhere I guess?
IT'S ALL SO CRAZY.
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Yeah, I do pity you JWD. :p
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