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Oystein
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Norway1602 Posts
May 18 2009 01:18 GMT
#381
On May 17 2009 22:54 raga4ka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2009 19:16 Oystein wrote:
On May 17 2009 18:31 disciple wrote:
On May 17 2009 12:56 fusionsdf wrote:
if stork hadn't forgot range bisu might have lost that series

There was a point where best was dominant PvP. Then there was a period where Stork was dominant PvP. Now Bisu is dominant PvP.

BeSt was just on winning streak, Bisu is winning consistently for over a year, this is a hole different thing. The only reason I can think about why KTY's PvP is so out of the spotlight is his reputation as the PvZ revolutionist

That is not true, Best went 27-5 for 83% from the beginning of his career up until he faced Stork in Incruit over a 2 year period. That is more than just a winning streak.

He did have really strong PvP, however I felt in several of his wins it was his opponents throwing away the game more than him winning them (vs Kal on chupung and vs Jangbi on blue storm comes to mind + some colloseum games I can`t remember vs who)


Well that didn't meen enything in front of Stork thought he kicked his ass in both Bacchus and Incruit was it .

Hence I wrote up to Incruit, would you say Savior sucked in ZvP just because after Bisu broke him for the second time hes sucked?

As for Bacchus no sane person would say Stork kicked his ass, have you even watched the games? If Best did not get fucked over by the worst positional imbalance ever to occur in a mirror match in the 3rd game at Fantasy he would probably have beaten Stork. He outmacroed and outmicroed Stork for the longest time but the fucked up map made it impossible for him to attack due to the bridges (granted he did 2 retarded attacks, once down the small ramp and in the end attacking uphill against Storks defensive position). Some positional disadvantages are normal in PvP, like playing 6 vs 3 on Medusa, 6 vs 1 on Tau Cross and 1 vs 11 on Othello. However the positional imbalance of Xeno Sky vs Nostalgia on Fantasy is beyond ridiculous.

I swear reading the comments in the PR often gives the youtube comments a good run for the money for whats worst...
God Hates a Coward
Metallingus
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Philippines468 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-18 02:11:33
May 18 2009 02:10 GMT
#382
This is one of the implications of PR coming out late. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this supposed to be the PR for April '09? Not trying to ride on JWD like many others here (and I'm definitely not saying that I can make a better PR) but stuff like ZerO 2-0ing his OSL group happened in early May.

I'm not sure how the PR would look solely taking achievements for April into account, but I'm pretty sure that it'd be different. Regardless, it's still a fun read and props to JWD for taking the time to make the PR
Overcome all. Especially plateaus.
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
May 18 2009 02:13 GMT
#383
It's been coming out halfway through the month for awhile now. Mani tried to fix it by releasing one early, but FS countered with his "I'm busy IRL" to establish balance.
Jaedong
JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
May 18 2009 02:57 GMT
#384
Yeah the mid-month thing is kind of a problem just because now the "May Power Rank" includes games from both April and May. I guess the best solution would be to slowly inch the PR's publication date closer to the first of the month, but that'd take some discipline
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fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
May 18 2009 03:33 GMT
#385
On May 18 2009 11:10 Metallingus wrote:
This is one of the implications of PR coming out late. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this supposed to be the PR for April '09? Not trying to ride on JWD like many others here (and I'm definitely not saying that I can make a better PR) but stuff like ZerO 2-0ing his OSL group happened in early May.

I'm not sure how the PR would look solely taking achievements for April into account, but I'm pretty sure that it'd be different. Regardless, it's still a fun read and props to JWD for taking the time to make the PR

It's about right now, regardless of when it is. It just came out in May.
Peace~
Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6180 Posts
May 18 2009 07:02 GMT
#386
Bisu and Fantasy deserved their spots imho.
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-18 08:02:59
May 18 2009 08:00 GMT
#387
Just an Idea. Why not make a new PR for june 1st this time and then keep it on date?

This PR will then be shortlived but you can always put the same ranks if you feel its correct etc, it would just be nice to have it actually on time and then keep it that way!

I would suggest a detailed description of how you judge the ranks in a spoiler before the ranks or something like that so people won't get confused. I know you explain it a little bit in each ranks but it would be easier to get a grasp of whats improtant for the ranks in a seperate column.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
Jaeden
Profile Joined September 2008
Romania1489 Posts
May 18 2009 09:27 GMT
#388
On May 18 2009 08:17 Fontong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2009 06:38 latent wrote:
The only laughable thing about this PR is JWD's stubborn unwillingness to admit he made a mistake. He even went so far as to say Zero would take 2 in a Bo5 against Jaedong, demonstrating a particular bias against Jaedong and/or for Zero, who lost 0-3 to Luxury and wouldn't stand a chance against JD. Heck, I don't even like JD that much, but reality is reality.

The other weird thing is putting thezerg at 10. Great's proxy hatchery build on Neo Medusa was just as "innovative" and "courageous" as anything Fantasy's done recently, and certainly better than anything thezerg's done. Who cares what team thezerg is on? Talking about someone's "mental toughness" is as laughable as an amateur bystander talking about "locker room leadership" on a professional sports team. How would he know how much "mental toughness" a player has when all he ever sees of them is their live tv matches?

As previous noted, JWD's opinion is his opinion. There is no mistake in this power rank. There can only be debate about how others would put the rank differently.

I know you probably are too busy number crunching to actually watch games and consider this kind of thing, but there have been many a series in the history of SC that prove how valuable the 'mental toughness' you are scoffing at really is. The most recent series that showcases this very well is BeSt vs July, when July completely dominated his inexperienced opponent through the metagame.

Drop your superior attitude. You know so much less than you think you do, so stop pretending you are so much better than JWD. He is very qualified for this, why otherwise would the staff of TL even let him near the PR.

Yes, JWD is qualified for this. The only problem is his bias
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Phradamon
Profile Joined January 2008
Romania191 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-18 09:28:28
May 18 2009 09:28 GMT
#389
Also, KeSPA for no 9 is funny but is tragis. Anyway, the big miss in PR is (T)HiyA, who should have been no 9....
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CursOr
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States6335 Posts
May 18 2009 12:23 GMT
#390
On May 18 2009 18:28 Phradamon wrote:
Also, KeSPA for no 9 is funny but is tragis. Anyway, the big miss in PR is (T)HiyA, who should have been no 9....


or just trade SkyHigh for him >.<
ever since i traded FOR him, he has been awefull. skyhigh has really dropped the ball a couple times in PL the last couple weeks. i dont wanna spoil any matches, but as an individual he is showing some of that Lux type, rampant inconcistancy... where 1 game he owns some S-class player, and next game gets beat by Rock or some shit >.<
CJ forever (-_-(-_-(-_-(-_-)-_-)-_-)-_-)
AzureEye
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1360 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-18 14:38:39
May 18 2009 14:37 GMT
#391
On May 18 2009 17:00 StylishVODs wrote:
Just an Idea. Why not make a new PR for june 1st this time and then keep it on date?

This PR will then be shortlived but you can always put the same ranks if you feel its correct etc, it would just be nice to have it actually on time and then keep it that way!

I would suggest a detailed description of how you judge the ranks in a spoiler before the ranks or something like that so people won't get confused. I know you explain it a little bit in each ranks but it would be easier to get a grasp of whats improtant for the ranks in a seperate column.


I second this. Also make sure Jaedong is above Zero next PR. Its obviously a mistake to put Zero this high + Show Spoiler +
Great at ZvT? He lost to Light and Leta recently
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
May 18 2009 14:43 GMT
#392
On May 18 2009 18:28 Phradamon wrote:
Also, KeSPA for no 9 is funny but is tragis. Anyway, the big miss in PR is (T)HiyA, who should have been no 9....

KeSPA being on the list is a good way to get the word out that they're fucking up big time. It's funny, but I also think it serves a larger purpose of educating people who haven't been keeping a close eye on KeSPA.

Also,

HiyA was 8-6 over the period
Calm was 10-3...

I still think that Calm being off the list is the biggest problem with it. I don't even see him and TheZerg as comparable, it's clear cut in Calm's favor to me... he's just been such a monster lately.
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Boona
Profile Joined May 2008
Sweden45 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-18 16:22:16
May 18 2009 16:21 GMT
#393
Comparing ZerO's ZvZ with JD's is very questionable. Looking at TLPD, their current versus zerg win streaks are equal, but if you look before that (this happened barely over two months ago and is relevant when trying to determine how likely the players are to keep performing strongly) JD comes off another 10 win streak while ZerO had a recent 5 loss streak. While this might not be relevant for the PR, the fact of the matter is that ZerO has played 49 ZvZ games and lost 22. JD has played 85 and lost 16.

When you compare the games, JD also makes his opponents look remarkably helpless while ZerO's wins look more like "normal" ZvZ games.

This is not mentioning that when ZerO lost his series against Lux, JD completely dismantled Lux not two weeks later (one day after his MSL title). I don't know why JWD wants to argue this point but it seems very unlikely that ZerO would take more than one game from JD in a BO5. People were saying that by.hero had a chance and look what happened to him, JD is called the zerg versus zerg bonjwa for a reason.

edit: and yes I know two of those ZvZ's happened after the PRs release.
NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7229 Posts
May 18 2009 16:44 GMT
#394
More evidence keeps piling up every day that Zero > Jaedong is the worst PR call in the feature's history.
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fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
May 18 2009 17:54 GMT
#395
And more assholes come here to post that as if rubbing it in his face, even though he took the time to write the rank and he tried to explain it throughout the threads. God damn.

Also, don't forget Sea[Shield] #1.
Peace~
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
May 18 2009 18:06 GMT
#396
Flaaaaash
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Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
May 18 2009 18:09 GMT
#397
On May 19 2009 02:54 fanatacist wrote:
And more assholes come here to post that as if rubbing it in his face, even though he took the time to write the rank and he tried to explain it throughout the threads. God damn.

Also, don't forget Sea[Shield] #1.


that was obviously a joke...
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
May 18 2009 18:19 GMT
#398
it was a different interpretation of "power" and was completely fine as a nod to a progamer who did something FakeSteve felt like mentioning.

ZerO was hot for the entire ranking period, Jaedong was bouncing back towards the end of the ranking period from a few weeks of uncharacteristically weak play, it's not the end of the world if ZerO's 3 and JD's 4. I'm a JD fanboi too, but giving ZerO credit for a remarkable month and a half of play isn't going to change anyone's mind on who the best Z in the world is.

also, I totally stole the DogSPA pic for my smashboard's avatar and it makes me really happy, <3 JWD.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
MoRe_mInErAls
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Canada1210 Posts
May 18 2009 19:13 GMT
#399
On May 19 2009 01:44 NovaTheFeared wrote:
More evidence keeps piling up every day that Zero > Jaedong is the worst PR call in the feature's history.

MoRe_mInErAls
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Canada1210 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-18 19:21:32
May 18 2009 19:16 GMT
#400
And seriously, I believe almost everyone agrees the Power Rank measures how good a player is at a certain point in time taking into account all factors including potential, consistency, and the previous month, not just performance in the previous month alone

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Poll: May Power Ranking should rank
(Vote): How powerful players are at the time of the ranking
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