EPTPower Rank 05/15/2009 - Page 18
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JWD
United States12607 Posts
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On May 17 2009 15:15 SerpentFlame wrote: This is a silly argument that has nothing to do with how well players performed last month. It wasn't an argument... And nobody said it has to do anything with last month's performence... | ||
disciple
9071 Posts
On May 17 2009 12:56 fusionsdf wrote: if stork hadn't forgot range bisu might have lost that series There was a point where best was dominant PvP. Then there was a period where Stork was dominant PvP. Now Bisu is dominant PvP. BeSt was just on winning streak, Bisu is winning consistently for over a year, this is a hole different thing. The only reason I can think about why KTY's PvP is so out of the spotlight is his reputation as the PvZ revolutionist | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On May 17 2009 15:51 JWD wrote: I'm now hoping that JD and ZerO meet in a BoX in a SL this season...and ZerO wins :o No bias at all! (I'm kidding, this is a joke, please don't take this seriously.) Anyhow I had a post on what I considered the overall shortcomings of the way you seem to make your PR on page 16 that you didn't respond to, as opposed to the general JD vs Zero argument, that I'd like to converse with you about, if you'd be so willing. | ||
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Oystein
Norway1602 Posts
On May 17 2009 18:31 disciple wrote: BeSt was just on winning streak, Bisu is winning consistently for over a year, this is a hole different thing. The only reason I can think about why KTY's PvP is so out of the spotlight is his reputation as the PvZ revolutionist That is not true, Best went 27-5 for 83% from the beginning of his career up until he faced Stork in Incruit over a 2 year period. That is more than just a winning streak. He did have really strong PvP, however I felt in several of his wins it was his opponents throwing away the game more than him winning them (vs Kal on chupung and vs Jangbi on blue storm comes to mind + some colloseum games I can`t remember vs who) | ||
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
On May 17 2009 19:16 Oystein wrote: That is not true, Best went 27-5 for 83% from the beginning of his career up until he faced Stork in Incruit over a 2 year period. That is more than just a winning streak. He did have really strong PvP, however I felt in several of his wins it was his opponents throwing away the game more than him winning them (vs Kal on chupung and vs Jangbi on blue storm comes to mind + some colloseum games I can`t remember vs who) Well that didn't meen enything in front of Stork thought he kicked his ass in both Bacchus and Incruit was it . | ||
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sprawlers
Norway439 Posts
It's official: for the first time since December 2007, Jaedong is not the Power Rank's highest-ranked Zerg (holy crap, December 2007). Why? The only thing that pisses me off is that you drag up power rank history when placing zero above jaedong. The only reason that no other zergs has ever been placed before jaedong is that for 1 and a half year the power rank has been made with a different criteria than this one. When you pull up the history of jaedong being ranked the best zerg for 1.5 years, you make it seem like zero has accomplished something extraordinary, while all he did was have a good streak the one month the power rank was based on something else than the other 16ish months. I don't disagree with zero being above jaedong with the way you say you weight things, but then zero should be above fantasy as well, and calm should be above flash. I just think changing the way the power rank is weighted so drastically makes no sense, unless you just wanted to create some discussion/drama in a month where nothing all that exiting has really happened. | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
On May 17 2009 15:51 JWD wrote: I'm now hoping that JD and ZerO meet in a BoX in a SL this season...and ZerO wins :o Lol now you've been reduced to "hope" The PR should be as Manifesto put it. The devil has challenged you to game of SC and you must pick a player to play on your behalf. There is no way anyone would chose Zero over Jaedong at this time. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
But for a one shot game I could see myself maybe picking Zero for ZvP or ZvT if I knew he was on top of his game. And if the map was Holy Word. | ||
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Dgtl
Canada889 Posts
The difference between JD and Zero is that when JD goes into a match he is expected to win, when Zero goes into match its a toss up. | ||
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Ota Solgryn
Denmark2011 Posts
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
[quote]It's official: for the first time since December 2007, Jaedong is not the Power Rank's highest-ranked Zerg (holy crap, December 2007). Why? Have you visited Zero's TLPD page lately ? [/quote] This quote is the biggest insult to Jaedong's skills imo you know why ? Have you visited Jaedong's TLPD over the past 1.5 years or so ? Record: 221 wins - 102 losses (68.42%) Averatec-Intel Classic Special Match GOLD 2008-09 Batoo OnGameNet Starleague 19 games GOLD 2008 WCG Korea Finals 9 games GOLD TG-Intel Classic 2008 Season 1 17 games GOLD 2008 Arena MBCGame Starleague 15 games SILVER 2008 GOMTV MBCGame Starleague Season 4 16 games GOLD 2007 EVER OnGameNet Starleague 13 games GOLD 2007 OnGameNet StarChallenge Season 1 Silver Current Kespa rank # 1 !!!! The current OSL champion , was 1 win away from winning WL alone . Still the best zerg in all MU's with arguebly only JulyZerg showing as good results as him in ZvP . Luxury admitted he has a long way to go to reach Jaedong's skill level after he won his first league after a long wait , Zero admitted in his interview that people should be asking Jaedong for ZvZ tips not him and i don't blame them - Jaedong's ZvZ win ratio has been the highest ever since he started playing , he practically is competeting with only himself , not to mention he reaches new peaks with every single ZvZ he plays . 3 games in PL suddently throws all this legacy away and Zero of all people dethrones him . There were times when Luxury was doing a fuck ton better then him when he eliminated Flash from OSL and was in semis and still he didn't dethroned him in the PR and i know why , because Jaedong was still the best zerg , he still is and probably will be for at least a couple of more months . Even his haters should learn to respect his skills . Seriously i wish this was Savior then no one would dare argue him . Zero didn't do absolutely nothing other zergs haven't done even when Jaedong was doing worse . Since Savior there isn't a zerg that has been better or deserves a higher spot in eny "power" ranking then Jaedong , thats how dominant he is and the gap between the other zergs and him hasn't closed one bit if you ask me . Unless the other zerg starts to compete with him on a regular basis in the leagues its an insult to Jaedong that a zerg is higher then him in a power ranking while his skills are unmatched so far . Not just PL and not just for a 3 games period of time . I just find it hard that when Jaedong is playing at the level where he starts winning OSL title from being 0 : 2 behind and almost winning WL by himself in the near months that there is a player let alone a zerg greater then him . I acknowledge Bisu this month but Fantasy and especially Zero have to prove me a lot more . | ||
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nonduc
Russian Federation405 Posts
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JWD
United States12607 Posts
On May 17 2009 22:54 lingallin wrote: The only thing that pisses me off is that you drag up power rank history when placing zero above jaedong. I just thought it would be interesting to note how long JD has been a dominant player. I can't even get away with throwing fun facts into the PR? Come on man, lighten up! | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
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qrs
United States3637 Posts
On May 18 2009 03:35 JWD wrote: I just thought it would be interesting to note how long JD has been a dominant player. I can't even get away with throwing fun facts into the PR? Just that you imply some kind of continuity between this PR and previous ones, and imply that something major has changed, when the real thing that changed was the philosophy of the guy making the ranking. To me, a monthly top-10 list of players would be about which 10 players I consider to be the best at the moment--i.e. if I had to bet on a game between two players, right now, who would I put my money on. It's about the present. By that standard, it's hard to imagine anyone putting  ZerO over Jaedong.To you, apparently, it's about the recent past: how well did they play since the last power ranking--taking nothing else into account. By that standard, placing ZerO above Jaedong is at least defensible. It doesn't really mean that something significant has happened since Dec. '07, though.w/e, no big deal, though, just your opinion. If it was meant to provoke discussion, it's succeeded in that, at least. edit: (I didn't read all 18 pages of this thread, sorry, so I hadn't read any of lingallin's post except the bit you quoted. read the rest of it now and he says pretty much everything I just wrote) | ||
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nonduc
Russian Federation405 Posts
On May 18 2009 04:47 StylishVODs wrote: Oh, let only this will not be one terrible SKT1 fanboy, I believe. Is it determined who will do the next PR?  | ||
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Nylan
United States795 Posts
 This thread demonstrates nothing but the number of Jaedong fanboys. Stork, JangBi, and Luxury (who WON AN MSL) are all completely gone and no one is complaining, but JD is 1 or 2 spots different on a very close scale and everyone is up in arms! Double standard, methinks. | ||
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Darth Peter
Romania438 Posts
On May 18 2009 05:11 Nylan wrote: JWD, awesome power rank This thread demonstrates nothing but the number of Jaedong fanboys. Stork, JangBi, and Luxury (who WON AN MSL) are all completely gone and no one is complaining, but JD is 1 or 2 spots different on a very close scale and everyone is up in arms! Double standard, methinks. Jangbi and Luxury shouldn't even be mentioned, even their boldest fans cannot say anything after they sucked in the PL and got fucked in the OSL. And yeah, there are lots of JD fans on this page, I am among them, but it really is premature to call Zero the best Zerg. | ||
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poilord
Germany3252 Posts
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