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Power Rank 05/15/2009 - Page 17
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3clipse
Canada2555 Posts
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JWD
United States12607 Posts
On May 17 2009 08:10 3clipse wrote: Calm just beat gogo and is now #6 elo, second only to jaedong for zerg. :/ Awesome, maybe he'll be in next month's PR! | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8552 Posts
On May 17 2009 07:40 JWD wrote: I'm not sure what exactly in Mogwai's post you're referring to as a logical fallacy, Avidkeystamper (I guess this is a disadvantage of copy/pasting previous posts you've made in this thread). While it of course would be ridiculous to seriously claim that a ranking of the "best" gamers would always contain Bisu/JD/Flash/etc., Mogwai only used "always" in the figurative sense to illustrate his point. His point is extremely valid, and as I've mentioned previously it's one of the main reasons I decided to write the PR this way. You have to concede that, if my PR was based more on a general sense of "the best players" than on recent performance, it would be a lot less useful as a refresher on recent comings and goings in the BW scene. Part of what I'm trying to get readers to do is understand recent trends in individual performance and debate them - unfortunately, the many posters in this thread seem to want to challenge the basis for my rank rather than start a serious, fact-based argument over who really has been the most powerful Zerg since mid-April (an argument which I think would be much more interesting than the one's we've been busy with instead). He's saying that if people don't agree with this PR, then they want a static power rank, which is a dune argument that assumes no middle ground. | ||
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JWD
United States12607 Posts
On May 17 2009 09:03 Avidkeystamper wrote: He's saying that if people don't agree with this PR, then they want a static power rank, which is a dune argument that assumes no middle ground. OK I agree, but his post still does a good job of highlighting the shortcomings of what posters like tfeign are arguing is "the true basis for PR". | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8552 Posts
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Linx_101
Canada166 Posts
Sorry, but I just hate everyone hating on Flash | ||
disciple
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Lebesgue
4542 Posts
On May 17 2009 10:41 disciple wrote: hey mate, thats untrue! if there is a common thing between 95% of the TL members, besides the boxer fanboysm and the toss girl fetish, is that we all think Flash is the most talented sc player ever. Ppl just have very high expectations for him. We all know the titles will come, the only question is when... I think Jaedong and Bisu have more fans at TL than 5%  | ||
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brjdrb
United States577 Posts
On May 17 2009 07:11 disciple wrote: Bisu has been the best pvp-er for over a year now, I cant understand why ppl even mentioned this MU as BeSt or Storks playground. It takes a simple click on the TLPD to see that KTY is somewhere around 75% in PvP after his 0-3 loss vs stork in Ever OSL... which is a long period of time. i don't agree with this. go back and watch best's pvp games before incruit and the best vs stork series. it wasn't until after that series that their pvp dropped off enough for bisu to take the crown. i will admit that he's had the best pvp since then, but not for a whole year. sorry if i'm just being a bit nit-picky | ||
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Oystein
Norway1602 Posts
On May 17 2009 11:25 brjdrb wrote: i don't agree with this. go back and watch best's pvp games before incruit and the best vs stork series. it wasn't until after that series that their pvp dropped off enough for bisu to take the crown. i will admit that he's had the best pvp since then, but not for a whole year. sorry if i'm just being a bit nit-picky I guess Stork was the best PvP player up until after Incruit. However Bisu have been an absolute beast in the matchup for a long time now. Since the EVER series vs Stork hes 42-13 for a 76% winrate PvP that is since February 08 more than a year ago. If we go closer in time, since July after his loss vs chalrenge hes 36-9 for an 80% winrate and that is closing in on a year. To further strengthening his case for the best PvPer hes never lost a BOx vs anyone but Stork (whom he is 1-2 vs in BOx) and a total of 8-8 in games vs Stork (winning the 2 latest) and hes 3-0 vs Best, including a BO3. Also kind of like Jaedong in ZvZ he seems to constantly overcome build order deficits in PvP (look at how hes defended vs 4gate vs Kal, Jangbi and Free) Dunno but I would say that hes at least as scary opponent now that Stork\Best ever was when they where at their PvP peaks. | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
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Oystein
Norway1602 Posts
On May 17 2009 12:21 fusionsdf wrote: Best definitely deserved his reputation as a PvP master. 16 wins in a row in a mirror matchup is absolutely insane Sure he does, but hes failed every time hes gone up against his hardest opponents Bisu\Stork tho I have to say that without the god damn imba positions on Fantasy he probably would have beaten Stork in Bacchus. Edit : Come to think of it he did beat Stork with that 2gate proxy on andromeda in OSL group stages, and recently in proleague (but stork have sucked in PvP since incruit) But both time they met in BOx for OSL hes lost. | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
There was a point where best was dominant PvP. Then there was a period where Stork was dominant PvP. Now Bisu is dominant PvP. | ||
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Oystein
Norway1602 Posts
On May 17 2009 12:56 fusionsdf wrote: if stork hadn't forgot range bisu might have lost that series There was a point where best was dominant PvP. Then there was a period where Stork was dominant PvP. Now Bisu is dominant PvP. Forgetting range is something you can do something about, being royally fucked on map positions is out of your control. | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
, Zero (nr 1 ranked Z) is the first zerg to lose on BR against a T | ||
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Jaeden
Romania1489 Posts
On May 17 2009 11:18 Lebesgue wrote: I think Jaedong and Bisu have more fans at TL than 5% I dunno about Bisu fans, but JD fans don`t dislike Flash. I for one am a "little" fan of him, he`s a great player and I`m sure he will come back to the top  | ||
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Jaeden
Romania1489 Posts
even the fact of placing thezerg at #10 spot is an argument for my statement. edit: ohh and sorry for being such an ass, you are a nice guy overall, you're just trying to defend ur work :D edit2: don't get me wrong, that's what all PR writers should do! | ||
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SerpentFlame
415 Posts
On May 17 2009 13:27 Geo.Rion wrote: haha, fate always shows if the PR writer is wrong about sg like Luxury losing to everyone after being named the best ZvP now+ Show Spoiler + , Zero (nr 1 ranked Z) is the first zerg to lose on BR against a T This is a silly argument that has nothing to do with how well players performed last month. | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8552 Posts
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Jaeden
Romania1489 Posts
On May 17 2009 15:15 SerpentFlame wrote: This is a silly argument that has nothing to do with how well players performed last month. that wasn`t even an argument for nothing, read carefully: "FATE" | ||
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