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Wtf? NaDa on 10?
Don't get me wrong, I love NaDa as much as the next person but to put him on rank 10 for ONE World Class Series? I don't know about that...
I also think that Luxury doesn't quite deserve to be on 2. Especially in direct comparison with fantasy, which some guy above me already did. Best ZvP on earth? I highly highly doubt that. The series against JangBi surely wasn't enough to convince me. Imo it was as much JangBi losing as Luxury winning. And if you can overlook inconsistency as you do it in Luxury's case, then MJY still has the best ZvP on earth(=>AllStar Race Battle)
About Luxury playing "nothing like S-Class" against Leta I can only say that for me and many other people the series has nothing but shown that Luxury isn't able to take straight up games from an A/S-Class Terran. Don't get me wrong. The series was a testimony to his qualities as a player, like nerves, cheesy play and unorthodox strategies. But if I remember correctly he hasn't taken ONE straight up game from Leta in that series, which is mandatory imo if you want to be called S-Class.
I quite agree with the rest of the power rank though. Good job.
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I feel like fantasy 3-0 bisu should have propelled him up to 3rd place. But, your explanation is sufficient I suppose, even though fantasy did almost beat jaedong in the osl finals. Also, I would put skyhigh above hero. He took CJ to a victory over hwaseung and he did it against jaedong, against a toss on a toss favored map and against hiya in a match that he nearly lost. Skyhigh was absolutely excellent in the last proleague and his reverse all-kill alone should have cemented a higher spot for him, considering that it was the finals.
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Yay Jaedong! Number one again at last!
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glad to see skyhigh getting some recognition after that epic reverse AK
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Great to see Jaedong on his #1 spot as he deserves
One thing I disagree is when you said Luxury's ZvP > Jaedong's ZvP
Luxury is known to have weak ZvP. He makes up for this fact by going all-in strategies alot more often than Jaedong has. Hydra break, 5 pool, cheese? Yes.
The ONLY Zerg who can be said to have better ZvP than Jaedong is maybe July. Luxury doesn't even come close. Beating Jangbi's PvZ is not that great of a deal
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oh flash, how far you've dropped. and to the "dragons" not present in the power ranks anymore - shame on you guys.
thanks fakesteve.
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i wonder if there should be an anti power rank. like.. for those who are slumping
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On April 11 2009 01:03 29 fps wrote:
i wonder if there should be an anti power rank. like.. for those who are slumping
Rofl that'd be awesome I'd write it. I love bashing on Savior when it's justified by his play.
Is anyone else interested in this? I would devote the time to watch games and etc. if you are.
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YEAHHH JAEDONG AND LUXURY!!! I knew that Jaedong would be #1 at the Power Rank after his all kill and streak (I was assured when he won the OSL). Luxury would be at 2nd once he raped Jangbi at the MSL. Woot, season of the Zerg! 
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pretty good power rank, pretty much agree with everything except for lux having best ZvP. July and Jaedong both have better ZvP IMO.
Sure Lux didn't have to only play s-class players in the MSL, but how often does someone actually have to do that?(I can only think of forgg beating JD and flash in arena MSL) Plus he did beat both leta and jangbi, how many players can do that?
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Nice PR. <3 by.hero and fantasy. ^^
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To everyone complaining about Lux "cheesing," my question to you is: really?
The game is not based on how you win -- it's great to have a super long drawn out lategame brawl, but when it comes down to "best player," it doesn't matter how much you like how they play. It's like complaining that Jaedong likes 2hatch muta too much and shouldn't be first for winning the OSL with it, IE: Retarded. Of course he should be first for winning the OSL and his overall performance, regardless of how much you like his playstyle.
Luxury is aggressive, and some people don't like that. They may prefer good muta control, or maybe a game where dark swarm is the deciding factor, but these are trivial preferences, not criteria for how powerful a player is on the current scene.
Aggressiveness, even bordering overly cheesey, doesn't mean shit about whether or not he is a top player. Flash was called the goddamn cheddar terran, but it didn't matter because he absolutely wrecked anyone in his path with that style for quite some time. Luxury is aggressive, maybe even a cheddar zerg, but he is good. Damn good. As a matter of fact, second only to Jaedong (The closest thing we will ever get to a bonjwa in modern times), even though he plays entirely different.
To put it simply, if he was second best and played the way you guys wanted (most likely like Jaedong, since everyone loves Jaedong games) he would just be called Jaedong-Lite. Instead, he's goddamn Luxury. Streaky, aggressive, entertaining, but overall, damn, damn, damn good, and one of the only two zergs I would call S-Class right now.
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On April 10 2009 22:42 Mooncat wrote:
Wtf? NaDa on 10?
Don't get me wrong, I love NaDa as much as the next person but to put him on rank 10 for ONE World Class Series? I don't know about that...
A big, big part of that is that his 'world class series' came in April 2009. His first tournament win came in June 2002, and his first game played was in February 2002. Depending how you look at it, he's been playing competitive SC for either slightly over or slightly under seven years. That he's able to continue to play and even defeat the best players in their given matchups so far after entering the scene is a testament to itself, and I totally agree with the reasoning for the 10-spot in a somewhat quiet month.
That's a bit of a wall o' text, but <3 NaDa. Thanks for the PR, FakeSteve!
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Luxury: current best ZvP?
July is a much better PvZ player and so is Jaedong.
If you want some minor ZvP detail (though that is only an indication not a prove),
July's ZvP: 2215.
Jaedong's ZvP: 2208
Luxury's ZvP: 2113
Other ZvP stats (last ZvP and all time ZvP)
July's last 10 ZvP: 8-2 (all time 68.6%)
Jaedong's last 10 ZvP: 6-4 (all time 65.31%)
Luxury's last 10 ZvP: 7-3 (all time 58.82%)
Sorry guys, I still doubt Savior until he builds FBH a sunken heart...
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On April 11 2009 00:52 AzureEye wrote:
Great to see Jaedong on his #1 spot as he deserves
One thing I disagree is when you said Luxury's ZvP > Jaedong's ZvP
Luxury is known to have weak ZvP. He makes up for this fact by going all-in strategies alot more often than Jaedong has. Hydra break, 5 pool, cheese? Yes.
The ONLY Zerg who can be said to have better ZvP than Jaedong is maybe July. Luxury doesn't even come close. Beating Jangbi's PvZ is not that great of a deal
Agree with this guy. Luxury is no where near close to be compared with Jaedong.
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On April 10 2009 20:00 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2009 19:30 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On April 10 2009 19:20 Plexa wrote:
Steve, if fantasy had won one more game in the OSL would he have been #1? Yes, but why are you asking that question? It doesn't make any sense. Maybe you could ask "If Fantasy had managed to block Jaedong's build a third time and won the series by outplaying Jaedong 3 times in a best of 5 OSL final" instead. Why on earth would you simplify it to "If Fantasy won one more game in the OSL"? The only way Fantasy would be #1 was if he won game 3, or at least didn't get totally run over in games 3 and 4. Jaedong found a timing on-the-fly to counter Fantasy, and Fantasy couldn't deal with it. That's essentially what the entire series boils down to, as well as that sick 2ling/drone vulture block. Fantasy is below Bisu and Luxury for the simple reason that this is a recurring theme in his games. He has wonderful snap decision making abilities in TvP, but it doesn't translate to his other matchups. Preparation is only half the battle, you know? I'm just not convinced that Luxury is better than fantasy is all. He pushed Jaedong, the best ZvT in the world without question, to within breaking point. He also trashed Luxury 2-1 losing on Medusa (Z>T map anyway) in the OSL. I'm also not convinced that Bisu is worse than Luxury; he pushes Jaedong to the very limit in GOM and he trashed July (ZvP god) and Yarnc in the group stages. Despite stumbling against by.hero, if Bisu and Luxury played 100 time on balanced maps i'd expect bisu to win more than luxury. =/ I feel that Luxury is too highly placed for what was really quite an easy MSL run. Jaedong/Flash/Bisu were all taken out relatively early on by freak happenings and the overall competition imo was weaker than the OSLs (hence why Jangbi/Luxury weren't semifinalists in the OSL). Regardless, I agree that Bisu should be over Fantasy though... those maps were the WORST possible maps for the series (all T>>P) and Bisu is the better player.
Oh come on don't blame the maps why Bisu lost . Stork made fantasy look like the newby that he really is , twise last OSL on chupung and what did Bisu do a retarded carrier build ? Bisu's PvT isn't that great compared to Stork and JangBi everyone who doesn't agree with this don't bother respoding because i wouldn't bother argueing it . Don't blame the maps please he had medusa in the map pool its only his own fault for being 3 - 0d not maps . Seriously not scouting a hidden third base can't be blamed on map imbalance nor playing average PvT in that series .
And Luxury's road wasn't easy maybe not as hard as Fantasy's but sure as hell wasn't easy .
Now on to the power rank :
I agree with the placements don't agree with :
As a fan of Stork's PvT i still think he would demolish Fantasy if they meet right now . Bisu played bad in my opinion fantasy played at a higher level and won .
Luxury being the best ZvP as others have mentioned nor is Jaedong . July and his prodigy by.hero have the best ZvP .
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I can't agree at all with this power rank.
its not even wrong
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The fanboy in me isn't convinced by your claim that JD has the second best ZvP in the world, but I'll go rewatch some games. I seriously doubt that Luxury could have beaten Bisu in the GOM bo5, but we'll never know.
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NADA! It's good to see him back in the PR 
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Guys, it's not the records that count, it's the games, and Luxury showed that he has a great game against protoss in that set against Jangbi.
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