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vnlegend
United States1389 Posts
On April 10 2009 18:34 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: I'm not offended, I am suggesting that you are a crying baby by this logic, he's not crying, he's stating that it is late (which also happens to be a fact whereas your suggestion is an opinion). | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On April 10 2009 18:34 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: I'm not offended, I am suggesting that you are a crying baby i am suggesting you are bashing on whatever you can and ignoring any criticism, i write a ~10 round long post about sg you mentioned, write a PS which include a few words "it's pity it's late", you dont answer my analyses, that's fine, you are not supposed to, but you answer the PS and you are saying i'm a crybaby. Whatever, if that makes you feel happy and mature, go ahead. | ||
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Magic84
Russian Federation1381 Posts
Fantasy is #3. He won games that mattered, he lost 2-3 in the finals. He owned Bisu 3-0. | ||
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Spenguin
Australia3316 Posts
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
1. Jaedong 2. Bisu 3. Fantasy 4. Luxury Bisu goes higher because he also played an amazing best of 5 against Jaedong. He went 6-2 in the WL. He beat Best in the OSL. Now although he did lose to Fantasy. They are teammates and PvT is his worst match-up. Before this game everyone was thinking a Bisu-Jaedong final was a dead-cert because Bisu was on fire. He slipped up in that game, but I think overall he just pips Fantasy this month. | ||
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Magic84
Russian Federation1381 Posts
On April 10 2009 18:58 Klive5ive wrote: After considered thought: 1. Jaedong 2. Bisu 3. Fantasy 4. Luxury Bisu goes higher because he also played an amazing best of 5 against Jaedong. He went 6-2 in the WL. He beat Best in the OSL. Now although he did lose to Fantasy. They are teammates and PvT is his worst match-up. Before this game everyone was thinking a Bisu-Jaedong final was a dead-cert because Bisu was on fire. He slipped up in that game, but I think overall he just pips Fantasy this month. MSL belt is so irrelevant any bum can get one. Starleague wins must be respected as much as possible even if he didn't have to play jd and bisu (they lost to other players). | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
On April 10 2009 19:01 Magic84 wrote: MSL belt is so irrelevant any bum can get one. Starleague wins must be respected as much as possible even if he didn't have to play jd and bisu (they lost to other players). Sorry I don't follow, who are you talking about? | ||
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Darth Peter
Romania438 Posts
On April 10 2009 18:58 Klive5ive wrote: After considered thought: 1. Jaedong 2. Bisu 3. Fantasy 4. Luxury Bisu goes higher because he also played an amazing best of 5 against Jaedong. He went 6-2 in the WL. He beat Best in the OSL. Now although he did lose to Fantasy. They are teammates and PvT is his worst match-up. Before this game everyone was thinking a Bisu-Jaedong final was a dead-cert because Bisu was on fire. He slipped up in that game, but I think overall he just pips Fantasy this month. What were you doing in the last months,because I guess watching Starcraft wasn't one of your activities. P v T is no way his worst matchup lately,on the contrary,he is fucking strong in it. Even as a Bisu fan,I must say that even no 3 is too high for him,there is no point in arguing. Btw good rank Steve. | ||
IntoTheWow
is awesome32277 Posts
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Magic84
Russian Federation1381 Posts
On April 10 2009 19:04 Klive5ive wrote: Sorry I don't follow, who are you talking about? What, is it that tough to understand my engrish? He just won a starleague gold, achievement most of the players never come close to. Why is it so disrespected by some people? | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
On April 10 2009 19:05 Darth Peter wrote: What were you doing in the last months,because I guess watching Starcraft wasn't one of your activities. P v T is no way his worst matchup lately,on the contrary,he is fucking strong in it. Even as a Bisu fan,I must say that even no 3 is too high for him,there is no point in arguing. Btw good rank Steve. I don't disagree; his PvT IS fucking strong. But you can't say it's not his weakest without suggesting what is weaker you moron. You want to tell me his PvP is weaker? With recent wins against Jangbi and Best. Or his PvZ? He's 14-6in his last 20. Half of those losses came in the incredible series with Jaedong. You're a pretty awful fan if your favourite player loses one series to a high-level teammate and you write him off. | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
On April 10 2009 19:13 Magic84 wrote: What, is it that tough to understand my engrish? He just won a starleague gold, achievement most of the players never come close to. Why is it so disrespected by some people? Sorry I was confused because you said "MSL belt is so irrelevant". The context of that was hard to read. You need a lot of luck to win a gold. In any knock-out competition you have to take the winner with considered opinion because often they aren't the best overall competitor. If you take league wins as Gospel then you're basically basing your opinions on more luck than judgment. | ||
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Darth Peter
Romania438 Posts
On April 10 2009 19:15 Klive5ive wrote: I don't disagree; his PvT IS fucking strong. But you can't say it's not his weakest without suggesting what is weaker you moron. You want to tell me his PvP is weaker? With recent wins against Jangbi and Best. Or his PvZ? He's 14-6in his last 20. Half of those losses came in the incredible series with Jaedong. You're a pretty awful fan if your favourite player loses one series to a high-level teammate and you write him off. First of all I didn't call you moron so that was uncalled for. Second,I think he has no weak matchups. He is fucking strong in all the matchups. I don't really have the balls to call any of his MU "the weakest" right now,because he is equally strong in all of them. Thirdly. I am more like a realistic fan. I don't let my bias cloud my judgmenet. Because he is my favorite player,that doesn't mean I have to say that he is the best even tho he isn't. | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On April 10 2009 19:15 Klive5ive wrote: I don't disagree; his PvT IS fucking strong. But you can't say it's not his weakest without suggesting what is weaker you moron. You want to tell me his PvP is weaker? With recent wins against Jangbi and Best. Or his PvZ? He's 14-6in his last 20. Half of those losses came in the incredible series with Jaedong. You're a pretty awful fan if your favourite player loses one series to a high-level teammate and you write him off. Bisu right now is a really balanced player, probably best in PvP because he's faster than every toss has better multitask and mechanics. But his PvT and PvZ are S class too, even though he shows signs of weakness sometimes. You seem to forget that he allkilled the terran lineup, (and wemade not long ago with 2 good TvP) this isnt sg a PR must take into consideration, but if you are arguing about his PvT you can't ignore that | ||
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jnheart35
United States178 Posts
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
On April 10 2009 19:20 Plexa wrote: Steve, if fantasy had won one more game in the OSL would he have been #1? Yes, but why are you asking that question? It doesn't make any sense. Maybe you could ask "If Fantasy had managed to block Jaedong's build a third time and won the series by outplaying Jaedong 3 times in a best of 5 OSL final" instead. Why on earth would you simplify it to "If Fantasy won one more game in the OSL"? The only way Fantasy would be #1 was if he won game 3, or at least didn't get totally run over in games 3 and 4. Jaedong found a timing on-the-fly to counter Fantasy, and Fantasy couldn't deal with it. That's essentially what the entire series boils down to, as well as that sick 2ling/drone vulture block. Fantasy is below Bisu and Luxury for the simple reason that this is a recurring theme in his games. He has wonderful snap decision making abilities in TvP, but it doesn't translate to his other matchups. Preparation is only half the battle, you know? | ||
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samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
On April 10 2009 19:20 Plexa wrote: Steve, if fantasy had won one more game in the OSL would he have been #1? Probably, If fantasy took game 3 we would get the same scenario as Forgg in Arena MSL, greatest run possible at the time, 3-0ing the best Z, 3-0ing the best P, and taking out the MSL winner. I think he wouldve been no1 with no doubt. Id bump up fantasy to #2 in my rank and bump bisu and lux down. Otherwise not a bad PR and no10 is usually negligible and up for debate. | ||
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5007 Posts
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