EPTPower Rank 04/10/2009 - Page 5
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
I also don't think that Luxury is the best ZvP right now. Jaedong's smarts (and his unbelievable mechanics) should not be underestimated. However, I completely agree about him being #2 on power rank. JD was the only person with a better month, period. With Jangbi, I think the problem is 100% metagame. He doesn't seem to think about metagame at all. When you read his interviews, it's always "practice, practice, practice." Practice is incredibly important, but it won't carry you over any obstacle. A true star has something more, a burning desire, an incredible savviness, and an aura of invincibility that intimidates opponents into submission by sheer force of will. Jangbi doesn't have that. | ||
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Tensai176
Canada2061 Posts
When I watched Fantasy's two games against Jaedong I was thoroughly impressed. Too bad he didn't keep it up for one more game. | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On April 11 2009 03:45 scwizard wrote: Guys, it's not the records that count, it's the games, and Luxury showed that he has a great game against protoss in that set against Jangbi. They ARE talking about the games though, and in this I agree. Luxury has nowhere near the same ZvP strength that Jaedong/July have. All Luxury has is aggression aggression aggression that if Jangbi had scouted/defended half decently against he would have been fine. That shit wouldn't have worked against Bisu and probably not against Stork either considering how defensive he plays PvZ now. I find July/Jaedong for and away more balanced. They have the ability and micro to be super aggressive when they want and even all in but they ARE capable of an actual standard ZvP game too. I haven't really seen Luxury capable of any long term ZvP play at all. As for Luxury being number 2? I don't like him at all but any lower than 3 would have been a lie and I can agree with 2 just fine. Bisu got blasted out of the OSL. | ||
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Scamp
United States1086 Posts
At first I was surprised by by.hero and NaDa making the list. I didn't think they'd done enough to get on the list. Then I tried to think of people that deserved to be in those spots more, and I couldn't find any. It really feels like a lot of players didn't really play at all over the last month and a half. I think that'll change with tournies being in their early stages rather than late, and with the old PL format back. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On April 11 2009 04:17 Jayme wrote: They ARE talking about the games though, and in this I agree. Luxury has nowhere near the same ZvP strength that Jaedong/July have. All Luxury has is aggression aggression aggression that if Jangbi had scouted/defended half decently against he would have been fine. That shit wouldn't have worked against Bisu and probably not against Stork either considering how defensive he plays PvZ now. I find July/Jaedong for and away more balanced. They have the ability and micro to be super aggressive when they want and even all in but they ARE capable of an actual standard ZvP game too. I haven't really seen Luxury capable of any long term ZvP play at all. As for Luxury being number 2? I don't like him at all but any lower than 3 would have been a lie and I can agree with 2 just fine. Bisu got blasted out of the OSL. His first match against Jangbi went to Hive Tech and he thoroughly beat him. Second round went to ultralisks in which he lost what was a fairly close game up until the storms. The next two rounds were standard Luxury super aggression. Luxury is perfectly capable of playing a lategame. I think people are too stuck on his long past performance and are ignoring that he is no longer lost when it gets to hivetech. | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8552 Posts
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
If you count results as the heavier factor then both fantasy and luxury should be above bisu. The key is to be consistant in the way you judge their rank. I also think that Jaedong is actually better than luxury in zvp, making him the best zergplayer in all matchups, even better than july's zvp becuase of his crazy mechanics although july has better understanding of the matchup. But this months placements 2-4 are extremely hard to judge. And I understand your points. Good PR though, always interesting to read. | ||
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ambit!ous1
United States3662 Posts
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Kuja900
United States3564 Posts
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AlwaysGG
Taiwan952 Posts
4th msl title is up to u! | ||
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traced
1739 Posts
you know, i really can't fault any of the logic. luxury's been exploiting zerg's early z>p advantage really well, way better than jaedong ever has. though his multitask isn't the same, and though he has a lot more holes in his knowledge of the matchup...i guess that may not matter because his style is just so much more efficient. i guess the hard ranking doesn't even matter that much - we all pretty much agree how close lux/bisu/fantasy are right now | ||
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piratebay
United States399 Posts
On April 10 2009 18:58 Klive5ive wrote: After considered thought: 1. Jaedong 2. Bisu 3. Fantasy 4. Luxury Bisu goes higher because he also played an amazing best of 5 against Jaedong. He went 6-2 in the WL. He beat Best in the OSL. Now although he did lose to Fantasy. They are teammates and PvT is his worst match-up. Before this game everyone was thinking a Bisu-Jaedong final was a dead-cert because Bisu was on fire. He slipped up in that game, but I think overall he just pips Fantasy this month. the 2-3 against jaedong was already counted last month. his 6-2 in WL didnt matter squat because in the finals, he didnt let SKT advance one round. (unlike luxury, who finished off SKT, jaedong 4-0ing KTF helping both their teams advance farther) He beat a slumping best (he hasnt won since february) and the 2-3 against jaedong... it should not be ranked higher than osl semis against fantasy... it was an event that isnt kespa sanctioned, and i am sure niether player practiced for it like they would for OSL finals if bisu didnt' fuck up and they met to duke it out. luxury carried his team past SKT with the help of hoejja, he won the MSL and played monstrous in the games he won. easy luxury > bisu i believe fantasy is > bisu on this rank, because in thsi month, he did perform better. overall he is a worse player than bisu currently but i thought power rank was about performing right now. otherwise nada would be#1 for the rest of time. | ||
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scwizard
United States1195 Posts
I don't expect that though, I'm expecting Luxury to live up to his #2. | ||
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Not_Computer
Canada2277 Posts
i haven't been able to follow progaming much recently so reading this is a nice review to keep me up to date on who's on top  | ||
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stroggos
New Zealand1543 Posts
Luxury should be 4th or 5th with fantasy above him based on performance, and jaedongs zvp is better. Skyhigh should'nt be top 10 just because he beat up some top 20-150 kespa players. (hes losing to them now-see skyhigh versus rage) | ||
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Macavenger
United States1132 Posts
On April 10 2009 18:58 Klive5ive wrote: 1. Jaedong 2. Bisu 3. Fantasy 4. Luxury This. Maybe I think about the Power Rank more like Manifesto, but really, despite the loss to Fantasy Bisu is still the second scariest player on Earth by far. I would still put him as a heavy favorite against anyone in the world other than Jaedong in a Bo5. The all-kill of the terran lineup showed conclusively the loss to fantasy was a fluke teammate battle, and Bisu is still a monster. As for Lux, I don't want to trash on his gold too much; he's certainly had one coming and very much deserves top 4. But thrashing Zero with the world's second best ZvZ and beating Jangbi in the finals isn't really that impressive. For all his impressive skill, Jangbi just doesn't have what it takes to be a champion in my opinion, and won't until he realizes that the mental game is far more important than he's giving it credit for. I honestly didn't even bother watching the MSL finals, just checked the results the next morning and went "yeah, thought so." The current poll pretty much validated that decision for me.  Overall, I think fantasy just has a little more spark right now, and the series victory nudges him above Lux in my opinion, but these two are very close right now.Also very happy to see Nada in the rank again. I'm actually really hoping to see him qualify for the next OSL and run away with it; it would be fitting for him to become the first (only?) player with 4 OSL wins. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On April 11 2009 09:52 Macavenger wrote: This. Maybe I think about the Power Rank more like Manifesto, but really, despite the loss to Fantasy Bisu is still the second scariest player on Earth by far. I would still put him as a heavy favorite against anyone in the world other than Jaedong in a Bo5. The all-kill of the terran lineup showed conclusively the loss to fantasy was a fluke teammate battle, and Bisu is still a monster. As for Lux, I don't want to trash on his gold too much; he's certainly had one coming and very much deserves top 4. But thrashing Zero with the world's second best ZvZ and beating Jangbi in the finals isn't really that impressive. For all his impressive skill, Jangbi just doesn't have what it takes to be a champion in my opinion, and won't until he realizes that the mental game is far more important than he's giving it credit for. I honestly didn't even bother watching the MSL finals, just checked the results the next morning and went "yeah, thought so." The current poll pretty much validated that decision for me. Overall, I think fantasy just has a little more spark right now, and the series victory nudges him above Lux in my opinion, but these two are very close right now.Also very happy to see Nada in the rank again. I'm actually really hoping to see him qualify for the next OSL and run away with it; it would be fitting for him to become the first (only?) player with 4 OSL wins. Those MSLs, so easy to get, let me tell you. | ||
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uglymoose89
United States671 Posts
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Avidkeystamper
United States8552 Posts
On April 11 2009 11:41 TwoToneTerran wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 11 2009 09:52 Macavenger wrote: This. Maybe I think about the Power Rank more like Manifesto, but really, despite the loss to Fantasy Bisu is still the second scariest player on Earth by far. I would still put him as a heavy favorite against anyone in the world other than Jaedong in a Bo5. The all-kill of the terran lineup showed conclusively the loss to fantasy was a fluke teammate battle, and Bisu is still a monster. As for Lux, I don't want to trash on his gold too much; he's certainly had one coming and very much deserves top 4. But thrashing Zero with the world's second best ZvZ and beating Jangbi in the finals isn't really that impressive. For all his impressive skill, Jangbi just doesn't have what it takes to be a champion in my opinion, and won't until he realizes that the mental game is far more important than he's giving it credit for. I honestly didn't even bother watching the MSL finals, just checked the results the next morning and went "yeah, thought so." The current poll pretty much validated that decision for me. Overall, I think fantasy just has a little more spark right now, and the series victory nudges him above Lux in my opinion, but these two are very close right now.Also very happy to see Nada in the rank again. I'm actually really hoping to see him qualify for the next OSL and run away with it; it would be fitting for him to become the first (only?) player with 4 OSL wins. Those MSLs, so easy to get, let me tell you. Beating Bisu 3-0, walk in the park | ||
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