EPTWho is the best 'foreigner'? - Page 2
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VediVeci
United States82 Posts
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nakedsurfer
Canada500 Posts
It's a shame that the public doesn't really like Naniwa. I think if he was more popular, it'd be a much closer poll. EDIT: On July 18 2012 10:44 VediVeci wrote: I don't understand why people act like getting to GSL Ro8 makes Naniwa a better player, when Stephano hasn't played in Code S. If Naniwa had made it in code S and Stephano hadn't then sure, that's something, but given the strength of competition at foreign tournaments these days, it's ridiculous to say that just because you don't play in Code S, you can't be the best foreigner. I don't understand how winning foreigner events that have 2-3 top level koreans in total at them makes you the best foreigner when the other top guy plays in a League where it's only top level koreans. Your argument can be flipped around. The overall playing field at Code S is much larger than NASL. The only real rivaling tournament to that would be MLG in which Stephano has never even made group stages(I believe). Therefore I think it's only fair to say since Naniwa is constantly playing the best korean players, in theory, it makes him the better player until Stephano goes there and proves himself as well. | ||
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Protosnake
France295 Posts
He have by far way more achievement, consistency and earnings than Naniwa Saying "GSL code S or it doesnt matter" doesnt matter when he does crush theses Code S players in every other tournament | ||
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DaPhoToss
Canada14 Posts
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DaPhoToss
Canada14 Posts
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VediVeci
United States82 Posts
On July 18 2012 10:49 nakedsurfer wrote: EDIT: I don't understand how winning foreigner events that have 2-3 top level koreans in total at them makes you the best foreigner when the other top guy plays in a League where it's only top level koreans. Your argument can be flipped around. The overall playing field at Code S is much larger than NASL. The only real rivaling tournament to that would be MLG in which Stephano has never even made group stages(I believe). Therefore I think it's only fair to say since Naniwa is constantly playing the best korean players, in theory, it makes him the better player until Stephano goes there and proves himself as well. I don't think that it does make Stephano the better player that he wins foreign evemts, necessarily. My point wasn't that Naniwa isn't the best player, just that justifying it simply because he plays in Code S is ridiculous. | ||
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SAFenix
Canada439 Posts
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PinheadXXXXXX
United States897 Posts
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Benjamin99
4176 Posts
On July 18 2012 10:49 nakedsurfer wrote: I think it was obvious that Stephano would be winning this poll. I voted for Naniwa because he's competing in the hardest league and made it in the round of 8 twice in a row. That's an extremely hard thing to do and I'm not sure yet if Stephano would be able to achieve that. It's a shame that the public doesn't really like Naniwa. I think if he was more popular, it'd be a much closer poll. EDIT: I don't understand how winning foreigner events that have 2-3 top level koreans in total at them makes you the best foreigner when the other top guy plays in a League where it's only top level koreans. Your argument can be flipped around. The overall playing field at Code S is much larger than NASL. The only real rivaling tournament to that would be MLG in which Stephano has never even made group stages(I believe). Therefore I think it's only fair to say since Naniwa is constantly playing the best korean players, in theory, it makes him the better player until Stephano goes there and proves himself as well. Look at the list of Code S players Stephano has dominated the last 2 months. And stephano got atm a 77% win ratio vs the best players in the world. Stephano vs Alicia 4-0 Stephano vs MC 4-2 Stephano vs Hero 3-1 Stephano vs Keen 2-0 Stephano vs Puma 2-0 Stephano vs Daisy 2-0 Stephano vs MKP 1-2 Stephano vs Rain 2-1 Stephano vs JYP 2-0 Stephano vs Ganzi 2-0 Stephano vs Alicia 2-0 Stephano vs Polt 2-1 Stephano vs Squirtle 3-1 Stephano vs MC 2-3 Stephano vs Parting 2-0 Stephano vs Rain 2-0 Stephano vs Violet 2-1 Stephano vs Violet 0-2 Stephano vs Symbol 0-2 Stephano vs Heart 2-1 Stephano vs MC 2-0 Stephano vs Ryung 2-0 And not to speak all the Koreans he beat when he won other tournaments like Lonestar/IPL 3 and ESWC. Stephano is a multiple tournament champion people will remember him in years to come. Im sorry in 10 years time no one will remember who got ro8 in some Korean tournament | ||
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BearStorm
United States795 Posts
That being said, Stephano is hands down the best foreigner. | ||
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Zenbrez
Canada5973 Posts
Stephano is a multiple tournament champion people will remember him in years to come. Im sorry in 10 years time no one will remember who got ro8 in some Korean tournament Some? Some Korean tournament? | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16070 Posts
That said I think Stephano is better. The fact he has the level of skill that he does without extensive practice time in Korea is just insane to me. If he ever committed to it the way that Naniwa has I can't imagine how much he could raise his potential. Naniwa's incredible improvement over the last few months is just a testament to how much that training atmosphere helps. | ||
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Tom Cruise
Denmark482 Posts
It may be the GSL, but he's right. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16070 Posts
On July 18 2012 11:01 SAFenix wrote: Honestly I'm surprised HuK isn't in this. He may have performed like absolute shit as of late but his Starcraft 2 History is still top among the foreigners. If you're going to include past achievements the best foreigner is still Jinro. The skill gap has widened since then yet somehow Stephano and Naniwa are still competing at the highest level. There's no doubt they're the two best foreigners in the world right now. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16070 Posts
the GSL is the most prestigious and competitive league in the world right now. Titles in it are worth a hell of a lot more than any title in a foreign tournament and that's a fact. It's the same in all sports there's always one trophy that's worth more than others. Euroleague Basketball doesn't hold the same level of prestige and competition as the NBA as an example (although the gap is closing imo.) | ||
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The Final Boss
United States1839 Posts
On July 18 2012 10:44 VediVeci wrote: I don't understand why people act like getting to GSL Ro8 makes Naniwa a better player, when Stephano hasn't played in Code S. If Naniwa had made it in code S and Stephano hadn't then sure, that's something, but given the strength of competition at foreign tournaments these days, it's ridiculous to say that just because you don't play in Code S, you can't be the best foreigner. You've also never seen me play in GSL. How can you discount me, The Final Boss, as secretly being the best foreigner? | ||
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andReslic
216 Posts
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Deyster
Jordan579 Posts
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catabowl
United States815 Posts
Saying Stephano is the best right now is like saying X player in any sport is the best at his sport but does not play in the Biggest tournament of that sport. I guess that means | ||
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Protosnake
France295 Posts
On July 18 2012 11:45 The Final Boss wrote: You've also never seen me play in GSL. How can you discount me, The Final Boss, as secretly being the best foreigner? The point is that "competing in code S" isnt as relevant as "Consistently beating Code S players" | ||
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