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VediVeci
Profile Joined October 2011
United States82 Posts
July 18 2012 01:44 GMT
#21
I don't understand why people act like getting to GSL Ro8 makes Naniwa a better player, when Stephano hasn't played in Code S. If Naniwa had made it in code S and Stephano hadn't then sure, that's something, but given the strength of competition at foreign tournaments these days, it's ridiculous to say that just because you don't play in Code S, you can't be the best foreigner.
nakedsurfer
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada500 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-18 01:54:15
July 18 2012 01:49 GMT
#22
I think it was obvious that Stephano would be winning this poll. I voted for Naniwa because he's competing in the hardest league and made it in the round of 8 twice in a row. That's an extremely hard thing to do and I'm not sure yet if Stephano would be able to achieve that.
It's a shame that the public doesn't really like Naniwa. I think if he was more popular, it'd be a much closer poll.


EDIT:
On July 18 2012 10:44 VediVeci wrote:
I don't understand why people act like getting to GSL Ro8 makes Naniwa a better player, when Stephano hasn't played in Code S. If Naniwa had made it in code S and Stephano hadn't then sure, that's something, but given the strength of competition at foreign tournaments these days, it's ridiculous to say that just because you don't play in Code S, you can't be the best foreigner.


I don't understand how winning foreigner events that have 2-3 top level koreans in total at them makes you the best foreigner when the other top guy plays in a League where it's only top level koreans. Your argument can be flipped around.

The overall playing field at Code S is much larger than NASL. The only real rivaling tournament to that would be MLG in which Stephano has never even made group stages(I believe). Therefore I think it's only fair to say since Naniwa is constantly playing the best korean players, in theory, it makes him the better player until Stephano goes there and proves himself as well.
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Protosnake
Profile Joined September 2011
France295 Posts
July 18 2012 01:49 GMT
#23
Stephano doesnt like the GSL format so he probably wont compete in it
He have by far way more achievement, consistency and earnings than Naniwa

Saying "GSL code S or it doesnt matter" doesnt matter when he does crush theses Code S players in every other tournament
DaPhoToss
Profile Joined July 2012
Canada14 Posts
July 18 2012 01:50 GMT
#24
I think overall Stephano is a better player because of how well he consistantly does at tournaments. Sure Naniwa has done good at international tournaments before and has made two round of 8s in the GSL but Stephano ahs still won way more than him. Stephano always faces Code S level players at these tournaments and often time beat them. Naniwa has also had a lot of luck in the GSL, he's had some of the easy groups. Not biased whatsoever, Naniwa is my favourite player by far.
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DaPhoToss
Profile Joined July 2012
Canada14 Posts
July 18 2012 01:52 GMT
#25
If Stephano tried in the GSL I think he would be able to make round of 8, althogh he seems to be a better player at tournaments like MLG and IPL where there isn't a very long preperation time between matches so I'm not entirely sure he would make round of 8.
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VediVeci
Profile Joined October 2011
United States82 Posts
July 18 2012 02:00 GMT
#26
On July 18 2012 10:49 nakedsurfer wrote:


EDIT:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2012 10:44 VediVeci wrote:
I don't understand why people act like getting to GSL Ro8 makes Naniwa a better player, when Stephano hasn't played in Code S. If Naniwa had made it in code S and Stephano hadn't then sure, that's something, but given the strength of competition at foreign tournaments these days, it's ridiculous to say that just because you don't play in Code S, you can't be the best foreigner.


I don't understand how winning foreigner events that have 2-3 top level koreans in total at them makes you the best foreigner when the other top guy plays in a League where it's only top level koreans. Your argument can be flipped around.

The overall playing field at Code S is much larger than NASL. The only real rivaling tournament to that would be MLG in which Stephano has never even made group stages(I believe). Therefore I think it's only fair to say since Naniwa is constantly playing the best korean players, in theory, it makes him the better player until Stephano goes there and proves himself as well.


I don't think that it does make Stephano the better player that he wins foreign evemts, necessarily. My point wasn't that Naniwa isn't the best player, just that justifying it simply because he plays in Code S is ridiculous.
SAFenix
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada439 Posts
July 18 2012 02:01 GMT
#27
Honestly I'm surprised HuK isn't in this. He may have performed like absolute shit as of late but his Starcraft 2 History is still top among the foreigners.
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PinheadXXXXXX
Profile Joined February 2012
United States897 Posts
July 18 2012 02:06 GMT
#28
What about SaSe?
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Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
July 18 2012 02:09 GMT
#29
On July 18 2012 10:49 nakedsurfer wrote:
I think it was obvious that Stephano would be winning this poll. I voted for Naniwa because he's competing in the hardest league and made it in the round of 8 twice in a row. That's an extremely hard thing to do and I'm not sure yet if Stephano would be able to achieve that.
It's a shame that the public doesn't really like Naniwa. I think if he was more popular, it'd be a much closer poll.


EDIT:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2012 10:44 VediVeci wrote:
I don't understand why people act like getting to GSL Ro8 makes Naniwa a better player, when Stephano hasn't played in Code S. If Naniwa had made it in code S and Stephano hadn't then sure, that's something, but given the strength of competition at foreign tournaments these days, it's ridiculous to say that just because you don't play in Code S, you can't be the best foreigner.


I don't understand how winning foreigner events that have 2-3 top level koreans in total at them makes you the best foreigner when the other top guy plays in a League where it's only top level koreans. Your argument can be flipped around.

The overall playing field at Code S is much larger than NASL. The only real rivaling tournament to that would be MLG in which Stephano has never even made group stages(I believe). Therefore I think it's only fair to say since Naniwa is constantly playing the best korean players, in theory, it makes him the better player until Stephano goes there and proves himself as well.


Look at the list of Code S players Stephano has dominated the last 2 months. And stephano got atm a 77% win ratio vs the best players in the world.

Stephano vs Alicia 4-0
Stephano vs MC 4-2
Stephano vs Hero 3-1
Stephano vs Keen 2-0
Stephano vs Puma 2-0
Stephano vs Daisy 2-0
Stephano vs MKP 1-2
Stephano vs Rain 2-1
Stephano vs JYP 2-0
Stephano vs Ganzi 2-0
Stephano vs Alicia 2-0
Stephano vs Polt 2-1
Stephano vs Squirtle 3-1
Stephano vs MC 2-3
Stephano vs Parting 2-0
Stephano vs Rain 2-0
Stephano vs Violet 2-1
Stephano vs Violet 0-2
Stephano vs Symbol 0-2
Stephano vs Heart 2-1
Stephano vs MC 2-0
Stephano vs Ryung 2-0

And not to speak all the Koreans he beat when he won other tournaments like Lonestar/IPL 3 and ESWC.

Stephano is a multiple tournament champion people will remember him in years to come. Im sorry in 10 years time no one will remember who got ro8 in some Korean tournament
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BearStorm
Profile Joined September 2010
United States795 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-18 02:10:11
July 18 2012 02:09 GMT
#30
Naniwa has a serious competitive mindset so I wouldn't be surprised if he makes significant improvements, whereas Stephano has a lot of talent as well, but probably won't dedicate the time to realize his potential.

That being said, Stephano is hands down the best foreigner.
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Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
July 18 2012 02:16 GMT
#31
Stephano is a multiple tournament champion people will remember him in years to come. Im sorry in 10 years time no one will remember who got ro8 in some Korean tournament

Some? Some Korean tournament?
Refer to my post.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16070 Posts
July 18 2012 02:19 GMT
#32
I think they're both in a tier above every other foreigner in the world that's for sure.

That said I think Stephano is better. The fact he has the level of skill that he does without extensive practice time in Korea is just insane to me.

If he ever committed to it the way that Naniwa has I can't imagine how much he could raise his potential. Naniwa's incredible improvement over the last few months is just a testament to how much that training atmosphere helps.
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Tom Cruise
Profile Joined July 2012
Denmark482 Posts
July 18 2012 02:19 GMT
#33
On July 18 2012 11:16 Zenbrez wrote:
Show nested quote +
Stephano is a multiple tournament champion people will remember him in years to come. Im sorry in 10 years time no one will remember who got ro8 in some Korean tournament

Some? Some Korean tournament?


It may be the GSL, but he's right.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16070 Posts
July 18 2012 02:21 GMT
#34
On July 18 2012 11:01 SAFenix wrote:
Honestly I'm surprised HuK isn't in this. He may have performed like absolute shit as of late but his Starcraft 2 History is still top among the foreigners.


If you're going to include past achievements the best foreigner is still Jinro.

The skill gap has widened since then yet somehow Stephano and Naniwa are still competing at the highest level. There's no doubt they're the two best foreigners in the world right now.
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16070 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-18 02:25:59
July 18 2012 02:25 GMT
#35
On July 18 2012 11:19 Tom Cruise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2012 11:16 Zenbrez wrote:
Stephano is a multiple tournament champion people will remember him in years to come. Im sorry in 10 years time no one will remember who got ro8 in some Korean tournament

Some? Some Korean tournament?


It may be the GSL, but he's right.


the GSL is the most prestigious and competitive league in the world right now.

Titles in it are worth a hell of a lot more than any title in a foreign tournament and that's a fact. It's the same in all sports there's always one trophy that's worth more than others.

Euroleague Basketball doesn't hold the same level of prestige and competition as the NBA as an example (although the gap is closing imo.)

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The Final Boss
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1839 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-18 02:48:25
July 18 2012 02:45 GMT
#36
When Stephano goes to Korea and gets repeat Ro8 appearances (not to mention only getting knocked out by the eventual champion Mvp and the soon-to-be eventual champion DRG) we can start calling him the best foreigner. I'm sorry but GSL is the best place to look at as far as skill level. It's a bit hard to say just due to the fact that Stephano has not actually played/trained in Korea like NaNiwa, but at the same time, NaNi's recent results speak for themselves.

On July 18 2012 10:44 VediVeci wrote:
I don't understand why people act like getting to GSL Ro8 makes Naniwa a better player, when Stephano hasn't played in Code S. If Naniwa had made it in code S and Stephano hadn't then sure, that's something, but given the strength of competition at foreign tournaments these days, it's ridiculous to say that just because you don't play in Code S, you can't be the best foreigner.

You've also never seen me play in GSL. How can you discount me, The Final Boss, as secretly being the best foreigner?
andReslic
Profile Joined January 2012
216 Posts
July 18 2012 02:47 GMT
#37
Stephano is only good against Protoss, if you bring him to the GSL hes gonna fail against other races.
Deyster
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Jordan579 Posts
July 18 2012 02:49 GMT
#38
I think Stephano has more raw skill. However, Naniwa has more discipline (preparation wise) and commitment, which will get him further as competition gets harder. For that, I think Naniwa has the edge until Stephano shows the dedication high level competition requires.
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catabowl
Profile Joined November 2009
United States815 Posts
July 18 2012 02:50 GMT
#39
Until Stephano does GSL, Naniwa is clearly the best Foreigner ATM.

Saying Stephano is the best right now is like saying X player in any sport is the best at his sport but does not play in the Biggest tournament of that sport. I guess that means
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Protosnake
Profile Joined September 2011
France295 Posts
July 18 2012 02:53 GMT
#40
On July 18 2012 11:45 The Final Boss wrote:
You've also never seen me play in GSL. How can you discount me, The Final Boss, as secretly being the best foreigner?



The point is that "competing in code S" isnt as relevant as "Consistently beating Code S players"
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