EPTWho is the best 'foreigner'? - Page 3
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Beorning
United States243 Posts
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xmungam
United States1050 Posts
if you are debating this .... i don't know why. time and time again GSL gives us the BEST matchups in an intense and pressured setting, such that professionals are put TO THE TEST in terms of skill , and Also Preparation ! This mind game / meta game aspect of the GSL makes it completely outclass other foriegn tournaments (imo) , exceptions are there, like DRG vs MKP x 10 , but GSL also targets a wide, diverse area of the sc2 that i believe contains the ABSOLUTE BEST PLAYERS. who knows if stephano would even get out of code-b? although naniwa hasn't either, has he?  And thats why, because the GSL is clearly the hardest tournament, i'm calling JINRO as the best foriegner + Show Spoiler + JK sorry jinro, lol. but Yeah so i would say it's either naniwa or sase as best non korean. | ||
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j4vz
Canada976 Posts
stephano still has to prove himself in code S like Naniwa edit: Stephano would prolly beat Naniwa in a Bo5 because he is a beast in ZvP but the question is whos the best foreigner, yep stephano is good in a matchup doesnt mean he is the best foreigner. there is prolly 2-3 foreigners that would beat stephano constantly in ZvZ, that doesnt mean they are better overall players. my vote goes to naniwa | ||
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xmungam
United States1050 Posts
so i guess my question is why is this being asked? | ||
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basss
United States5 Posts
Nani is a really damn good player, but he doesn't seem as versatile as Stephano. Both are amazing, but I believe that Stephano has more potential and is a better Overall player right now. And Stephano has excellent ZvT and ZvZ too, he's just usually featured in ZvP. Nasl: mc, Alicia, etc. | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
- strength and breadth of opponents played - quality of gameplay/dominance of tournament run - consistency All of these areas Stephano has been profoundly better than Naniwa in ever since his major breakout at IPL3 almost a year ago. Were it 5 months ago people would have just poked fun at Naniwa as a guy who couldn't even win a game in code A. Thankfully, he's done well enough to dispel that image, but not nearly enough to put him over Stephano. Maybe if he actually won the gsl... | ||
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Ritchie
Canada206 Posts
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docvoc
United States5491 Posts
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Lewan72
United States381 Posts
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OpTicNinja
United States9 Posts
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OpTicNinja
United States9 Posts
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Requiem-
Uruguay162 Posts
. ButIf i'm a Football team, and i go to NA and play the most famous cup and loose but get into the top , and other team won matches against NA's teams outside NA, it doesn't mean i'm worst than him. I mean in NA it will be ALL VS ME, cuz i'm not from there more pressure and stuff. Its kinda what happens to Naniwa in GSL, anyway when OSL settles up, the one who performs better there or wins it will be the best foreign | ||
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Fr0d0
Belize37 Posts
Effort/profit ratio is much better in international tournaments for non-koreans. | ||
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JJH777
United States4415 Posts
On July 18 2012 13:27 Fr0d0 wrote: There is no point for Stephano to compete in the GSL. Effort/profit ratio is much better in international tournaments for non-koreans. It's much better for everyone. The difference is some players actually care about being the best and any good player knows that to be the best they have to win GSL. Stephano is the ultimate example of what Mr. Chae called Naniwa actually. He is a prize money hunter. He doesn't care about the game or anything else at all. | ||
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SaikOuLighT
Canada742 Posts
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GandhiSc
United States7 Posts
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mahO
France274 Posts
On July 18 2012 10:36 zanga wrote: Why even compare? It makes no sense. When stephano gets two Code S ro8 in a row we can start comparing apples and apples. It's not easy when youre alone against all the koreans in Seoul and "everyone" are trying to make you lose... NANIWA > * (also, Zerg is pretty good at the moment btw, you decide if thats relevant) Lol, I mean, I have a great deal of respect for Naniwa as a player, but the matches he played in GSL (seen them all) arent even close to elect him as best foreigner, they werent an amazing showcase of dominance, really faaar from it, they were good decisions and mind games, and also some luck involved, still, amazing player for sure, but... On the other hand, the few confrontations between Stephano and top tier koreans were much more convincing, especially in the potential showed, and reactions, and please dont think I'm saying because I'm french, I'm not even fond of Stephano, and I'm probably the less nationalist french in my country. For me, Stephano, by far, if he keeps training, you guys will have an answer in the next 3 months, and polls like this one wont be necessary at all. I mean guys like Nestea were saying instantly that Stephano was the best foreigner after results from him at the time, and now he doubled that, they just recognized talent. I dont even imagine what it would be like if Stephano was training with a korean teamhouse schedule... | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On July 18 2012 09:42 OriginalBeast wrote: Thorzain... Sorry Thorzain but you lost to JYPvT. Unacceptable :p | ||
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Euronyme
Sweden3804 Posts
On July 18 2012 12:23 Beorning wrote: This has to be joke, Stephano rolls jetlagged B team koreans. Naniwa has got round of 8 code S what? twice now? Yeah I was thinking the exact same thing. In these foreigner tournaments.. Aren't the Koreans complaining about jet lag and complete lack of sleep like every single time? I'd really like to see Stephano in the GSL to see how he performs when the Koreans have an level playing field. I didn't watch NASL, but I'm curious in what condition of the Koreans were. | ||
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JJH777
United States4415 Posts
On July 18 2012 13:38 mahO wrote: Lol, I mean, I have a great deal of respect for Naniwa as a player, but the matches he played in GSL (seen them all) arent even close to elect him as best foreigner, they werent an amazing showcase of dominance, really faaar from it, they were good decisions and mind games, and also some luck involved, still, amazing player for sure, but... On the other hand, the few confrontations between Stephano and top tier koreans were much more convincing, especially in the potential showed, and reactions, and please dont think I'm saying because I'm french, I'm not even fond of Stephano, and I'm probably the less nationalist french in my country. For me, Stephano, by far, if he keeps training, you guys will have an answer in the next 3 months, and polls like this one wont be necessary at all. I mean guys like Nestea were saying instantly that Stephano was the best foreigner after results from him at the time, and now he doubled that, they just recognized talent. I dont even imagine what it would be like if Stephano was training with a korean teamhouse schedule... It's impossible to look dominant in GSL. The people who won the last 2 MVP and DRG always looked very mortal in pretty much every match. That's why simply getting back to back ro8s is put in such high regard. There are very few players who can do that. | ||
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