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Beorning
Profile Joined June 2011
United States243 Posts
July 18 2012 03:23 GMT
#41
This has to be joke, Stephano rolls jetlagged B team koreans. Naniwa has got round of 8 code S what? twice now?
xmungam
Profile Joined July 2012
United States1050 Posts
July 18 2012 03:26 GMT
#42
GSL is by far the hardest SC2 tournament in the world, bar perhaps the new SC2 OSL.

if you are debating this .... i don't know why. time and time again GSL gives us the BEST matchups in an intense and pressured setting, such that professionals are put TO THE TEST in terms of skill , and Also Preparation ! This mind game / meta game aspect of the GSL makes it completely outclass other foriegn tournaments (imo) , exceptions are there, like DRG vs MKP x 10 , but GSL also targets a wide, diverse area of the sc2 that i believe contains the ABSOLUTE BEST PLAYERS.

who knows if stephano would even get out of code-b? although naniwa hasn't either, has he?

And thats why, because the GSL is clearly the hardest tournament,

i'm calling JINRO as the best foriegner

+ Show Spoiler +
JK sorry jinro, lol.

but Yeah so i would say it's either naniwa or sase as best non korean.
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j4vz
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada976 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-18 03:45:47
July 18 2012 03:40 GMT
#43
im a big fan of stephano, but beside his amazing ZvP you cannot put him on top of Naniwa...

stephano still has to prove himself in code S like Naniwa


edit: Stephano would prolly beat Naniwa in a Bo5 because he is a beast in ZvP but the question is whos the best foreigner, yep stephano is good in a matchup doesnt mean he is the best foreigner.

there is prolly 2-3 foreigners that would beat stephano constantly in ZvZ, that doesnt mean they are better overall players.

my vote goes to naniwa
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xmungam
Profile Joined July 2012
United States1050 Posts
July 18 2012 03:41 GMT
#44
also lol what a crazy question!!!!!! teamliquid is usually so neutral and this is a very controversial statement (at least probably to the perception of the users) asking who is better than who.

so i guess my question is why is this being asked?
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basss
Profile Joined July 2012
United States5 Posts
July 18 2012 03:43 GMT
#45
I believe that if Stephano competes in GSL, he'll change up his style and catch koreans off guard. Remember when the 12 minute max out came to be? It was an insta win for zergs, and not just NA and EU zergs.

Nani is a really damn good player, but he doesn't seem as versatile as Stephano.

Both are amazing, but I believe that Stephano has more potential and is a better Overall player right now.

And Stephano has excellent ZvT and ZvZ too, he's just usually featured in ZvP.
Nasl: mc, Alicia, etc.
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-18 03:46:54
July 18 2012 03:45 GMT
#46
GSL carries the most weight obviously, but some people seem to be almost completely disregarding the international tournaments as well as other relevant factors such as:

- strength and breadth of opponents played

- quality of gameplay/dominance of tournament run

- consistency

All of these areas Stephano has been profoundly better than Naniwa in ever since his major breakout at IPL3 almost a year ago.

Were it 5 months ago people would have just poked fun at Naniwa as a guy who couldn't even win a game in code A. Thankfully, he's done well enough to dispel that image, but not nearly enough to put him over Stephano. Maybe if he actually won the gsl...
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Ritchie
Profile Joined July 2012
Canada206 Posts
July 18 2012 03:47 GMT
#47
Stephano came right up but maybe because he just won NASL S3. Naniwa is not that far behind though.
After all, we just want to be happy, don't we?
docvoc
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5491 Posts
July 18 2012 04:04 GMT
#48
Naniwa, after a few zerg nerfs hit then maybe stephano, but as it is now, stephano is using what people in other threads are now coming out and saying seem to be flaws in the zerg system, like banking lots of money and tons of larvae and pretty much flooding 1 unit and then switching to the most powerful zerg army comp after intentionally trading armies. I may be completely wrong here and I do not believe that zerg imba in any way shape or form, but I do believe that right now Nani is the only performing foreigner in a system where everyone is trying their asses off to win. NASL was a strong tourney, but it is not and will never be GSL code S, simply because of how built up that tournament has become, it is truly THE starcraft tournament for the best and brightest. The only one that rivals it might be MLG, just because of the open bracket.
User was warned for too many mimes.
Lewan72
Profile Joined April 2011
United States381 Posts
July 18 2012 04:04 GMT
#49
Before NASL I would say Naniwa undisputed but after taking out Hero MC and Alicia.....damn..........

MC / Hero / MMA / Bomber / Coca / Suppy
OpTicNinja
Profile Joined January 2011
United States9 Posts
July 18 2012 04:17 GMT
#50
I forgot who, but some prestigious korean in gsl said that Stephano is the best foreigner
"Everything will be alright in the end. So if it's not alright it's not the end"
OpTicNinja
Profile Joined January 2011
United States9 Posts
July 18 2012 04:18 GMT
#51
and for the record, Stephano is so mannered. He doesn't get mad at losses, doesn't throw away games. He tries his best and gives it all for the game and for his fans
"Everything will be alright in the end. So if it's not alright it's not the end"
Requiem-
Profile Joined October 2011
Uruguay162 Posts
July 18 2012 04:25 GMT
#52
I don't know the players , cuz i play Terran . But
If i'm a Football team, and i go to NA and play the most famous cup and loose but get into the top , and other team won matches against NA's teams outside NA, it doesn't mean i'm worst than him. I mean in NA it will be ALL VS ME, cuz i'm not from there more pressure and stuff. Its kinda what happens to Naniwa in GSL, anyway when OSL settles up, the one who performs better there or wins it will be the best foreign
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Sup Son
Fr0d0
Profile Joined May 2011
Belize37 Posts
July 18 2012 04:27 GMT
#53
There is no point for Stephano to compete in the GSL.
Effort/profit ratio is much better in international tournaments for non-koreans.
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4407 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-18 04:30:37
July 18 2012 04:30 GMT
#54
On July 18 2012 13:27 Fr0d0 wrote:
There is no point for Stephano to compete in the GSL.
Effort/profit ratio is much better in international tournaments for non-koreans.


It's much better for everyone. The difference is some players actually care about being the best and any good player knows that to be the best they have to win GSL.

Stephano is the ultimate example of what Mr. Chae called Naniwa actually. He is a prize money hunter. He doesn't care about the game or anything else at all.
SaikOuLighT
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada742 Posts
July 18 2012 04:34 GMT
#55
Stephano is just on another level of talent from every other foreigner, it would be scary to think how much better he could be if he practices way more than he does now.
GandhiSc
Profile Joined January 2012
United States7 Posts
July 18 2012 04:37 GMT
#56
I have to vote Naniwa on this, until stephano proves himself in Code s, you cant say hes better than a player that has made it to ro8 two seasons in a row now.
glhf~
mahO
Profile Joined April 2011
France274 Posts
July 18 2012 04:38 GMT
#57
On July 18 2012 10:36 zanga wrote:
Why even compare? It makes no sense.

When stephano gets two Code S ro8 in a row we can start comparing apples and apples. It's not easy when youre alone against all the koreans in Seoul and "everyone" are trying to make you lose...

NANIWA > *

(also, Zerg is pretty good at the moment btw, you decide if thats relevant)


Lol, I mean, I have a great deal of respect for Naniwa as a player, but the matches he played in GSL (seen them all) arent even close to elect him as best foreigner, they werent an amazing showcase of dominance, really faaar from it, they were good decisions and mind games, and also some luck involved, still, amazing player for sure, but... On the other hand, the few confrontations between Stephano and top tier koreans were much more convincing, especially in the potential showed, and reactions, and please dont think I'm saying because I'm french, I'm not even fond of Stephano, and I'm probably the less nationalist french in my country.
For me, Stephano, by far, if he keeps training, you guys will have an answer in the next 3 months, and polls like this one wont be necessary at all. I mean guys like Nestea were saying instantly that Stephano was the best foreigner after results from him at the time, and now he doubled that, they just recognized talent. I dont even imagine what it would be like if Stephano was training with a korean teamhouse schedule...
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
July 18 2012 04:38 GMT
#58
On July 18 2012 09:42 OriginalBeast wrote:
Thorzain...


Sorry Thorzain but you lost to JYPvT. Unacceptable :p
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Euronyme
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden3804 Posts
July 18 2012 04:40 GMT
#59
On July 18 2012 12:23 Beorning wrote:
This has to be joke, Stephano rolls jetlagged B team koreans. Naniwa has got round of 8 code S what? twice now?


Yeah I was thinking the exact same thing. In these foreigner tournaments.. Aren't the Koreans complaining about jet lag and complete lack of sleep like every single time?
I'd really like to see Stephano in the GSL to see how he performs when the Koreans have an level playing field.

I didn't watch NASL, but I'm curious in what condition of the Koreans were.
I bet i can maı̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̨̨̨̨̨̨ke you wipe your screen.
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4407 Posts
July 18 2012 04:41 GMT
#60
On July 18 2012 13:38 mahO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2012 10:36 zanga wrote:
Why even compare? It makes no sense.

When stephano gets two Code S ro8 in a row we can start comparing apples and apples. It's not easy when youre alone against all the koreans in Seoul and "everyone" are trying to make you lose...

NANIWA > *

(also, Zerg is pretty good at the moment btw, you decide if thats relevant)


Lol, I mean, I have a great deal of respect for Naniwa as a player, but the matches he played in GSL (seen them all) arent even close to elect him as best foreigner, they werent an amazing showcase of dominance, really faaar from it, they were good decisions and mind games, and also some luck involved, still, amazing player for sure, but... On the other hand, the few confrontations between Stephano and top tier koreans were much more convincing, especially in the potential showed, and reactions, and please dont think I'm saying because I'm french, I'm not even fond of Stephano, and I'm probably the less nationalist french in my country.
For me, Stephano, by far, if he keeps training, you guys will have an answer in the next 3 months, and polls like this one wont be necessary at all. I mean guys like Nestea were saying instantly that Stephano was the best foreigner after results from him at the time, and now he doubled that, they just recognized talent. I dont even imagine what it would be like if Stephano was training with a korean teamhouse schedule...


It's impossible to look dominant in GSL. The people who won the last 2 MVP and DRG always looked very mortal in pretty much every match. That's why simply getting back to back ro8s is put in such high regard. There are very few players who can do that.
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