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cTrFray
Profile Joined December 2011
Sweden13 Posts
April 10 2012 18:44 GMT
#21
Zerphyr i think marineking is the best player in the world and parting is not but marineking lost that is fact prime most feel awful and creator and byon was to easy to snipe this is what i mean when I say you guys dont under stand anything about team games!
" potatos gonna potate"
ZerphyR
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Slovenia275 Posts
April 10 2012 18:49 GMT
#22
On April 11 2012 03:43 pPingu wrote:
Still waiting for a pro to say that parting wouldn't have won this

Show nested quote +
On April 11 2012 03:29 ZerphyR wrote:
MKP's production was about to pop in a matter of seconds, and he can beat the zealots w 8 marauders and 16 marines more. Als he had a better economy so it was still anyones game :D


According to this screenshot http://i.imgur.com/IuHuA.jpg, mkp has 21 supply in reprod, and just enough money to make 5 more marauders, still not enough to reach parting supply. You assume that parting will suicide his whole army and not produce anything, so mkp will be able to defend

And no, mkp didn't have the better economy, in fact parting had it http://i.imgur.com/jugZC.jpg

Mkp had no advantage over parting, parting had the better economy, the better army, he still had hts alive while mkp had no more tech units, and they had about the same in upgrades (something like 3/3 and 3/1(2)/3 iirc)


He had 5 or 6 orbitals his 5th finishe imagine 10 mules in this situation
Marineking, end of discussion !
ZerphyR
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Slovenia275 Posts
April 10 2012 18:52 GMT
#23
On April 11 2012 03:44 cTrFray wrote:
Zerphyr i think marineking is the best player in the world and parting is not but marineking lost that is fact prime most feel awful and creator and byon was to easy to snipe this is what i mean when I say you guys dont under stand anything about team games!


lol, what ar u some kind of top level coach, cus im just a high masters terran.
Who wached GSTL for over a year now. ;P
Marineking, end of discussion !
NOOBALOPSE
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada802 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-10 18:54:54
April 10 2012 18:54 GMT
#24
On April 11 2012 02:01 RenSC2 wrote:
I'm generally okay with either decision. Without having the replay in front of me, it's tough to say exactly what the game state was. Parting clearly had an advantage and if he plays it right, he'll get the win. However, we've seen many players overextend in that sort of situation and lose the game. One round of well-microed MKP units could have potentially wiped an overextended army and turned the game back in MKP's favor.

It just stinks that MKP was almost eliminated, but then got the re-game and was able to sweep the rest so that decision to re-game ended up being so critical.

I think what should have happened, was that it becomes a BO3 with partinG up 1 game... I really think PartinG had won at that point. Damn you GSTL!!

EDIT: Damn you blizzard for no LAN
pPingu
Profile Joined September 2011
Switzerland2892 Posts
April 10 2012 18:56 GMT
#25
On April 11 2012 03:49 ZerphyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2012 03:43 pPingu wrote:
Still waiting for a pro to say that parting wouldn't have won this

On April 11 2012 03:29 ZerphyR wrote:
MKP's production was about to pop in a matter of seconds, and he can beat the zealots w 8 marauders and 16 marines more. Als he had a better economy so it was still anyones game :D


According to this screenshot http://i.imgur.com/IuHuA.jpg, mkp has 21 supply in reprod, and just enough money to make 5 more marauders, still not enough to reach parting supply. You assume that parting will suicide his whole army and not produce anything, so mkp will be able to defend

And no, mkp didn't have the better economy, in fact parting had it http://i.imgur.com/jugZC.jpg

Mkp had no advantage over parting, parting had the better economy, the better army, he still had hts alive while mkp had no more tech units, and they had about the same in upgrades (something like 3/3 and 3/1(2)/3 iirc)


He had 5 or 6 orbitals his 5th finishe imagine 10 mules in this situation


Protoss are supposed to keep up with economy with terrans with same amount of bases, counting mules, you suppose that mkp had 2 mules ready in each of his orbitals while he could have already used all of them, what's important is the economy he had during the reproduction

On April 11 2012 03:52 ZerphyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2012 03:44 cTrFray wrote:
Zerphyr i think marineking is the best player in the world and parting is not but marineking lost that is fact prime most feel awful and creator and byon was to easy to snipe this is what i mean when I say you guys dont under stand anything about team games!


lol, what ar u some kind of top level coach, cus im just a high masters terran.
Who wached GSTL for over a year now. ;P


I think they might be a bit higher that high master and don't agree with you, also might have a bit more experience in GSTL

http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/R1CH/IPL4/Day2/504_05011_t.jpg
cTrFray
Profile Joined December 2011
Sweden13 Posts
April 10 2012 18:58 GMT
#26
yeha but because ur a MKP fanboy like the rest of this dumb comuntiy cant see the whole sitation again im just a platinum zerg who have played the game for 2 months but i still can read the situation better then 90 procent of the comuntiy because im not blinded by the fanboyism like the rest of you by the way every thing i said before is true and none of you can say anything that indicates that my statements are wrong!!!!!!
" potatos gonna potate"
Ravar
Profile Joined June 2011
United States447 Posts
April 10 2012 19:01 GMT
#27
On April 11 2012 03:58 cTrFray wrote:
yeha but because ur a MKP fanboy like the rest of this dumb comuntiy cant see the whole sitation again im just a platinum zerg who have played the game for 2 months but i still can read the situation better then 90 procent of the comuntiy because im not blinded by the fanboyism like the rest of you by the way every thing i said before is true and none of you can say anything that indicates that my statements are wrong!!!!!!


You sound like a 12 year old talking about music.
Yeah bitch, magnets
ZerphyR
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Slovenia275 Posts
April 10 2012 19:06 GMT
#28
On April 11 2012 03:56 pPingu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2012 03:49 ZerphyR wrote:
On April 11 2012 03:43 pPingu wrote:
Still waiting for a pro to say that parting wouldn't have won this

On April 11 2012 03:29 ZerphyR wrote:
MKP's production was about to pop in a matter of seconds, and he can beat the zealots w 8 marauders and 16 marines more. Als he had a better economy so it was still anyones game :D


According to this screenshot http://i.imgur.com/IuHuA.jpg, mkp has 21 supply in reprod, and just enough money to make 5 more marauders, still not enough to reach parting supply. You assume that parting will suicide his whole army and not produce anything, so mkp will be able to defend

And no, mkp didn't have the better economy, in fact parting had it http://i.imgur.com/jugZC.jpg

Mkp had no advantage over parting, parting had the better economy, the better army, he still had hts alive while mkp had no more tech units, and they had about the same in upgrades (something like 3/3 and 3/1(2)/3 iirc)


He had 5 or 6 orbitals his 5th finishe imagine 10 mules in this situation


Protoss are supposed to keep up with economy with terrans with same amount of bases, counting mules, you suppose that mkp had 2 mules ready in each of his orbitals while he could have already used all of them, what's important is the economy he had during the reproduction

Show nested quote +
On April 11 2012 03:52 ZerphyR wrote:
On April 11 2012 03:44 cTrFray wrote:
Zerphyr i think marineking is the best player in the world and parting is not but marineking lost that is fact prime most feel awful and creator and byon was to easy to snipe this is what i mean when I say you guys dont under stand anything about team games!


lol, what ar u some kind of top level coach, cus im just a high masters terran.
Who wached GSTL for over a year now. ;P


I think they might be a bit higher that high master and don't agree with you, also might have a bit more experience in GSTL

http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/R1CH/IPL4/Day2/504_05011_t.jpg

Yeah they are, and also they made the right choise :D
It was still anyones game.
Marineking, end of discussion !
ZerphyR
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Slovenia275 Posts
April 10 2012 19:10 GMT
#29
On April 11 2012 04:01 Ravar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2012 03:58 cTrFray wrote:
yeha but because ur a MKP fanboy like the rest of this dumb comuntiy cant see the whole sitation again im just a platinum zerg who have played the game for 2 months but i still can read the situation better then 90 procent of the comuntiy because im not blinded by the fanboyism like the rest of you by the way every thing i said before is true and none of you can say anything that indicates that my statements are wrong!!!!!!


You sound like a 12 year old talking about music.


What if ur wrong and the 90% percent are right, cuz that seems logical to me.
Marineking, end of discussion !
fezvez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
France3021 Posts
April 10 2012 19:10 GMT
#30
An answer is missing : "Another decision" (Bo3 with one game given to Parting for me)

Because, as unlikely as it seems, there are incredible comebacks in SC2

Look at White-Ra vs MMA game at 10:45
Leetley
Profile Joined October 2010
1796 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-10 19:25:14
April 10 2012 19:23 GMT
#31
Damn you blizzard for no LAN


Even if it was a hardware failure, it could've been Bnet 0.2 aswell.
Fryioq
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16 Posts
April 10 2012 19:23 GMT
#32
I think the problem with NOT doing a re-game is that you need a clear definition for what someone is clearly winning to be. Since no such thing exists (maybe it should, and should be discussed as to what would constitute that) regame is really the only fair option I feel. While I do agree that Parting was quite far ahead, and in an excellent position to win, it wasn't a 100% clearcut, no one can say otherwise win situation. Because of that regame is the fair choice.

I've heard that maybe in such a case where someone is ahead and not 100% going to win, they change it to a Bo3 with the better looking person one game up? Im not sure, but a new rule has to be put in place to deal with these situations.

Either some definition of what "100% going to win" is
or
Some alternate set up where perhaps a Bo3 or something similar is held where the person with the advantage has a game already?

Otherwise re-game seems the correct position, given the rules.
"He who knows does not speak; he who speaks, does not know"
ProxyKnoxy
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2576 Posts
April 10 2012 19:25 GMT
#33
Parting had 8 high templar, 18 zealots, 6 stalkers, and a warp prism in his main base for a massive warp in, compared to MKP's 3 marauders. Parting's main army was also in/near MKP's production, so that the reinforcements would be killed when they came out. MKP had no medivacs.

Come on guys, lets be serious. Parting had that EASILY.
"Zealot try give mariners high five. Mariners not like high five and try hide and shoot zealot"
Wampaibist
Profile Joined July 2010
United States478 Posts
April 10 2012 19:48 GMT
#34
I'm a bit torn. I think the correct option should have been a best of three with parting start a game up. But who am i to make calls
refmac_cys.cys
Profile Joined June 2010
United States177 Posts
April 10 2012 19:52 GMT
#35
On April 11 2012 04:48 Wampaibist wrote:
I'm a bit torn. I think the correct option should have been a best of three with parting start a game up. But who am i to make calls

You could do something like that in an individual tournament, but in a Winner's League type Team League, that gives whoever wins the Bo3 a bit of a disadvantage. I, honestly, would like to see something like what TL did during TSL with the Nightend v. Boxer game. Have a panel of pros ready to look at the game for a bit, and then decide from there whether it would be a regame or a win for Parting.
my helicopter example is less stupid than your helicopter example - Liquid'Drone
Akash1223
Profile Joined March 2011
United States91 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-10 20:04:57
April 10 2012 20:01 GMT
#36
Parting had a 90+% chance to win the game from that point, imo; he should have been given the win.

Imo, the game from TSL3 where Boxer was given the win over Nightend was a less clear situation than this.
naimina
Profile Joined March 2012
20 Posts
April 10 2012 20:12 GMT
#37
It was the right decicion with the options they had at hand, but to the next team league I would love to see what others before me have already said; a BO3 with the one in a massive lead given 1 "win".
Ollie
Profile Joined October 2011
United States144 Posts
April 10 2012 20:19 GMT
#38
There was a reasonable doubt that Parting wouldn't have been able to win. Sure, he was favoured in the game at the time, but bigger comebacks have happened. If there was a chance that Marineking could have won, then it wouldn't have been fair to give Parting the win.
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Devilldog
Profile Joined October 2010
United States69 Posts
April 10 2012 21:01 GMT
#39
It is just sad that a decision like this had to be made in the first place. Come on Blizzard at least make a special client that is only given out to events like this.
Jugan
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1566 Posts
April 10 2012 21:07 GMT
#40
If there was a chance for MKP to win, you re-game. See: Bisu vs. (Flash SPL finals), Julyzerg failed 4-pool victory (Gom TV Open season 3), Crazyhydra vs. Ssak (SPL finals), etc. Just some examples of player looking dead to rights, and coming back to win. If the game crashed at a moment where it looked bad for a given player, and you awarded the victory to the player in a commanding position, you would have decided the outcome of a game that had not yet been decided. While re-game is not fair either, awarding a win to a player when either party had a reasonable chance to still win is the worst possible outcome.
Even a Savior couldn't fix all problems. www.twitch.tv/xJugan
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