What is your opinion on the Parting/MKP decision in the GS…

jeeneeus

1168 Posts

April 11 2012 00:24 GMT

#61

I saw a great post about equity in the live thread. The argument was something like this. Assume they are both at 50% chance to win a game (this may not be true, but just for simplicity's sake). At the point of the drop, I think a vast majority of people would give PartinG >80% chance of winning. So a regame would make it go back to 50% and PartinG given the win would give him a 100% chance of winning. So if we use 80%, giving PartinG a win means MKP loses 20% equity. A regame means PartinG loses 30% equity. Since PartinG loses more equity then MKP would, it would be more fair to give PartinG the win.
However, a bo3 with PartinG up one game (in my opinion the best answer), puts it at 75% (roughly) chance of PartinG to win the series. In this scenario, PartinG only loses 5% equity (MKP gains 5%).
Even if MKP were favored as much as 60% against PartinG (I think this is pretty generous), the decision between a regame and a win awarded to PartinG is a wash (20% equity). The bo3 would give PartinG a 64% chance of winning. Thus losing 16% equity (which is still less than 20%).

tdt

United States3179 Posts

April 11 2012 00:33 GMT

#62

Robbed. I see no point in having judges if a player is that far ahead and they don't give it to him. Just restart - which itself in unfair on MKPs map under the circumstances.

tdt

United States3179 Posts

April 11 2012 00:36 GMT

#63

On April 11 2012 06:23 Zealot Orgy wrote:
426 MKP fanboys, no other explanation.

Literally every single pro player comment on this gave the 100% win to Parting, yet the fanboyism is even stronger than that.

I was one of the first MKP fans before it was cool and my sig has not changed in a year with respect to that and think it was bullcrap.

bpat

United States157 Posts

April 11 2012 00:39 GMT

#64

I don't think we can really judge this objectively without having access to the replay, I really hope GOM decides to release it to clear up any doubt about exactly how far PartinG was ahead of MKP.

Shinespark

Chile843 Posts

April 11 2012 00:40 GMT

#65

On April 11 2012 03:18 00Visor wrote:
relevant: (I didnt do this)
[image loading]

Oh. I did not know this. I voted for regame but now I want to change my vote.

Serpest

United States603 Posts

April 11 2012 00:50 GMT

#66

On April 11 2012 09:40 Shinespark wrote:

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Oh. I did not know this. I voted for regame but now I want to change my vote.

I'm curious where the 5/6 orbitals with mules come into play, but don't mind me.

I feel a regame was the correct decision in this instance, and am annoyed with how people have been harping on MKP. I understand many people have hard feelings and wanted the finals to go a certain way, but (un)fortunately, that didn't happen. I think this recent weekend in football (soccer to you americans) shows several fantastic examples. ManU vs. QPR had a phenomenally outrageous refereeing decision result in a penalty for the (mostly) fan-favourites - ManU ended up winning 2-0. Arsenal v ManCity had several horrible refereeing decisions go City's way (most notably a horrendous two-footed tackle by City's Balotelli with his studs up on Arsenal's Song. Every other referee would have shown a redcard for the City man, but the ref waved play on. Even the City manager (Mancini) remarked in a postgame interview Balotelli should have been sent off at 19minutes played instead of 90.)

Controversial decisions happen; be happy so many people are emotionally invested in this community and game that heated debate is possible.

Nevosis

France27 Posts

April 11 2012 00:55 GMT

#67

I think that mkp had lost, but admin is admin guys there is no reason to rage here, statement was done and done multiple time.

Opeasy

107 Posts

April 11 2012 00:59 GMT

#68

How about a re-game with mkp only having 80% health on his units? this will give the advantage to parting, but MKP still has a chance. the handicap option is there for a reason, maybe this is the one? Plus, i think it would make a crazy game, and that's always fun to watch! another option could be for some of the ipl guys to play the game the exact same way, and giving the controls back to MKP and parting once they reached the drop point. Could be hard to do, but absolutely possible.

AysiktiriX

358 Posts

April 11 2012 01:28 GMT

#69

Imo Parting had the game around 95% in the bag. You have to put a line somewhere, where the game is accepted as won/lost (depending on the player that dcs). To me, this line is the 80% mark. Thanks to Battlenet and lack of autosave, we have to make hard decisions. The ones to blame in this situation are the referees. Heck, I thought of a better way to handle the situation "outside of the rulebook" specially for these 2 players and this situation in the time they took to review the replay. This is what I came up with in this time > both Marineking and Parting lose their spots and can't be picked up, result stays the same, Prime states who their next player will be, Startale then picks their player and the map.

Keytar

Canada156 Posts

April 11 2012 01:31 GMT

#70

Re-game was really the only correct call. With how long it took them to come to the decision, Parting really wasn't winning without any reasonable doubt.

That said, people would be less bitter if MKP hadn't gone on to 4-0 and win the rest of the finals single-handedly.

Shoulda done a third game, same map, and bo3'd his game with Parting. Totally unconventional though.

Surgical_Strike

United States72 Posts

April 11 2012 01:47 GMT

#71

Some people here and even the announcers (kaldor) were/are overplaying the lead that parting had. If mkp was on 2 base midgame production, then yea those 6 zealots and 6 stalkers that were OUTSIDE his base might be scary. All the rest of partings units were at home and therefore not much a threat. Marinekings current production cycle with his like 14 rax 4 starports would have rolled that force that was NOT camping his production. They were camping the three rax that were proxied outside the base. MKP could have lifted those into the base and fought that small force at his ramp with his production cycle. The warp prism doesnt mean much as well considering the viking count and the fact that parting had all of 200 minerals to warp in before the vikings shot it down. Another point.... there were 4 HTs not 8... and they were at home as defensive stormers, you could say that parting was actually overextended the second MKPs production cycle popped. THERE IS A REASON IT GOT RE-GAMED... people that have spent there lives playing and watching sc1 and sc2 knew that 6 zealots and 6 stalkers with an upgrade dissadvantage were not going to kill MKP on 5 orbital production with 3-3. ST Bomber had a larger lead than this in the very next game... even dropping a mule on MKP.... what happend in that game again? MKP fought back and took him down.... you do not call MKP dead because an opponent has a small force at his door. Re-game was the right call and Parting had every opportunity to actually beat MKP and he could not.

lifegiver

Australia3 Posts

April 11 2012 02:30 GMT

#72

On April 11 2012 02:38 Amestir wrote:
Not voting, I think the best option would be to make it a Bo3 with Parting starting 1 - 0.

This.

Corsica

Ukraine1854 Posts

April 11 2012 02:46 GMT

#73

On April 11 2012 03:18 00Visor wrote:
relevant: (I didnt do this)
[image loading]

This... also even MKP's micro wouldnt save him from defeat...

Hall0wed

United States8486 Posts

April 11 2012 02:49 GMT

#74

The game was over. Parting was ahead in every way and was going to win the game in the next minute or 2.

jnkw

Canada347 Posts

April 11 2012 02:51 GMT

#75

On April 11 2012 08:46 B1nary wrote:
At the time the game was paused, I think Parting would almost certainly win. With so many stalkers out, the mutas probably wouldn't be able to do much. But Nestea was calling for a pause for quite a while before that, when the game wasn't so overwhelmingly in Parting's favour. The admins were at fault for not noticing Nestea's signals. It was an unfortunate situation for both players, but it wouldn't have been fair to take the possibility of a win from Nestea for something he had no control over. I think they made the right call.

Methinks you misread the thread title...

NovemberstOrm

Canada16217 Posts

April 11 2012 02:56 GMT

#76

Even though parting was ahead MKP had a lot of production and even if there is a chance that MKP would have won they had to re-game for it , it's impossible to 100% say Parting would have won.Judges made the correct call and all the mad fanboys stop riding dick and let it go. TL shouldn't even allow this topic to be put up idk why it was causes drama when gomtv won't change the decision as the finals are over.

Hall0wed

United States8486 Posts

April 11 2012 03:08 GMT

#77

On April 11 2012 11:56 NovemberstOrm wrote:
Even though parting was ahead MKP had a lot of production and even if there is a chance that MKP would have won they had to re-game for it , it's impossible to 100% say Parting would have won.Judges made the correct call and all the mad fanboys stop riding dick and let it go. TL shouldn't even allow this topic to be put up idk why it was causes drama when gomtv won't change the decision as the finals are over.

1. It is mostly the fanboys saying the regame was ok

2. TL made this thread...

xUnSeEnx

United States183 Posts

April 11 2012 03:12 GMT

#78

Quit crying about a protoss losing, I am sorry it was evident that Parting was not the better player when he lost the second game to the same build (that he "beat" in the first game). Get over yourselves and stop whining and praise MKP for doing an excellent job in retaking the game (during the regame) and wiping the floor of the rest of Startale. Boo-hoo there was a regame, but honestly it was fair and just instead of saying one player could win over the other, especially with Partings recent performance it is hard to just flat out call someone a victor because of what you can see. MKP is really, really good and probably would have shocked everyone.

peekn

United States1152 Posts

April 11 2012 03:32 GMT

#79

I'm going to have to think that they should have given it to parting instead of doing the re-game. Anyone who is calling "fanboyism" is dumb and needs to calm down and stop trying to stir things up..

Changed my mind after I saw that image on the first page. Parting was overwhelmingly ahead.

Surgical_Strike

United States72 Posts

April 11 2012 03:37 GMT

#80

On April 11 2012 11:46 Corsica wrote:

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This... also even MKP's micro wouldnt save him from defeat...

Those numbers are just flat out incorrect. parting did not have that much.... and even less than what he had was on MKP's side of the map. most of it was at home. The supply that was about to pop out of his rax and starport was stronger than the force Parting had outside of MKP's base. It would have gotten thrown back and game would have gone on 5 base vs 5 base.... so regame made perfect sense.

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