SC2 production?

On September 25 2011 06:59 Ammanas wrote:
well, if you broadcast in 4:3 low res... what would you expect? Also obs is imho better in gomTV. Or at least from what I saw today.

On September 25 2011 06:59 Ammanas wrote:
well, if you broadcast in 4:3 low res... what would you expect? Also obs is imho better in gomTV. Or at least from what I saw today.

On September 25 2011 07:28 Nikon wrote:
So yeah... how is GomTv winning this poll?

On September 25 2011 06:54 KhAlleB wrote:
how can gom be ahead of ogn :O

On September 25 2011 07:56 Node wrote:
I'm completely lost as to how people can discern that casters using a language they don't understand are better than casters using one they do.

On September 25 2011 06:59 Ammanas wrote:
well, if you broadcast in 4:3 low res... what would you expect? Also obs is imho better in gomTV. Or at least from what I saw today.

On September 25 2011 07:41 Djagulingu wrote:
Gom's better parts:

1- They have flames.
2- Higher resolution which doesn't matter for people who don't pay.
3- Casting in English which is worse than Korean casters/commentators anyway.

OGN's better parts:

1- Much better observer
2- Much better casters (No offense but I'd never watch Tastosis and Gom observer when there is Kingdom/Kim Carrier/TheMarine and OGN observer around).
3- The advantage of being on Cable.
4- Times and times as much production value.
5- Easily accessible streams and VODs.
6- You don't need to download a player and pay for VODs.

Answer: Still asking?


OGN is not trying to kill BW, that's how. For some reason, SC2 only guys have a tendency to troll BW forums with their "happiness" when there is a news of a team or channel disbanding. That gave me the impression.

complaints about Korean commentary

On September 25 2011 11:50 gulati wrote:
OnGameNet's production value is the highest of any gaming tournament in the world; far superior to MLG or anything else I can even think of, in terms of commentators, animations, graphics, crowds (I can only speak for BW crowds since we don't know what OGN SC2 crowds are standardized as) and legacy.

On September 25 2011 15:10 StutteR wrote:
OGN just reminds me of some great BW games. GOM is always just a little underwhelming

On September 25 2011 16:55 lyrlian wrote:
Threads like these always make me LoL at those BW veterans who prefer "YE OLD WAY" over the new stuff, reminds me of my grandparents.

On September 25 2011 08:25 Matkap wrote:


do you say all that to you yourself when you go to sleep at nights? jeez relax..and well, why would I care if its on cable if im watching through the internet? you dont need a player for gom vods, and well, I would rather have casters that I understand you know, I guess that when tasteless was casting BW you didnt hate on him as much...

I did like as well OGN of course and they`re a lot of really cool things there that are miles ahed of GOM, but its not like they do everything wrong

On September 25 2011 07:54 Bradleo wrote:

three words: Nick "Tasteless" Plott

On September 25 2011 07:56 Node wrote:
I'm completely lost as to how people can discern that casters using a language they don't understand are better than casters using one they do.

On September 25 2011 23:23 Kogan wrote:


i agree, its kinda stupid to say korean casters are better cause they seem to be more pumped^^

The commentator was like, "The tanks became the protoss's friends!"

Lol on commentators on 21:35, "This is the time where the opponents say I wish he take a break and go to the bathroom, but at this stage of the game even if Stork goes to the bathroom this is game" LOLL

On September 26 2011 00:32 mrRoflpwn wrote:
I personally thought the OGN observer was terrible- he never went back to the players main bases and let us see the production facilities. They almost never had the production tab open, and he would also many times cut to a battle late which was frustrating.

On September 25 2011 23:32 sluggaslamoo wrote:
Lol what a biased poll, after looking at the responses.

OGN:
- Better Observers
- Better Camera Usage (doom zooms)
- Enthusiasm
- Professionalism
- Post-Game Recaps

GOM:
- English commentary (racist and unfair criteria),
- Graphics (even though free stream is as good as goms, HD available on ogn.net for free if you can read korean, no lag!!!!!)

Remember GOM was the worst broadcaster back in BW, if OGN got a full hold of SC2 there would be no contest.




Because people do translations on live-stream or actually understand korean, I have a korean friend who often tells me what the commentators are saying and its much more in-depth/funny/interesting/relevant than what you normally hear from the English casters.

Often when Tastosis says something funny, it doesn't have much to do with the game, but Korean commentators will often say something funny that is also relevant to the game.

(Exception is Tasteless on BW, he was at that level then, he seems to have lost a lot of his commentating flair in SC2)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L83ju7jfJ1I



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IK6rECL3Qc#t=19m15s



Also if a commentator gets you much more engaged in a game, then that's tantamount to his ability as a commentator.

On September 25 2011 23:23 Kogan wrote:


i agree, its kinda stupid to say korean casters are better cause they seem to be more pumped^^

On September 25 2011 23:51 GTR wrote:


uh, they aren't ex-ogn commentators. lee hyun-joo was a former mbc caster, that's about it. the current commentators didn't have any previous casting background before being hired by gom for their classic league.

On September 25 2011 17:54 DelRax wrote:
I think if OGN was actually set up to broadcast SC2 (resolution, computers, caster knowledge(?)), they may be equivalent/better. And as someone who can't understand Korean, English commentary is a big boost.

OGN sure does have a nicer studio though, but as it is I'd say GOM wins.

On September 26 2011 06:57 nitdkim wrote:
For those who are complaining about OGN's 4:3 low res, that's only for their Cable TV broadcast, they are planing to do free HD streaming for their internet broadcast.

On September 26 2011 07:38 SovietHammer wrote:
I think its interesting to note that the majority of support for ogn comes from people with broodwar teams in their sigs, while most of people who can be assumed to be sc2 fans(without bw team icons) prefer gom and its english casting. Not having watched, I can't render an opinion, but from what brood war I have watched I know I would prefer english commentary.

On September 26 2011 07:19 MrCon wrote:
I like OGN better but I don't understand this poll at all.
It's like : who has better production ? LucasFilm or your dad filming your birthday ?
It's not like they have the same budget...
OGN just broadcast, GOM gives 150k$ per month for prizepool.
This poll is really comparing what shouldn't be compared.

But GOM has still some things to learn that wouldn't cost anything.
The doom zooms for instance :D

On September 26 2011 19:33 HydroOwl wrote:
I found WCG really hard to watching after being so used to GSL. The time between games is absolutely ridiculous, which is terrible for not only the viewers but the players as well. At points there was upwards of ~15 mins between games, which is pretty terrible to me.

On September 27 2011 09:56 Clefairy wrote:
4:3 aspect ratio
Bad observing
Bad music (though this is personal taste =D)
Extremely long delays
Picking the wrong map
Units just disappearing when they die
PCs that can't even run SC2 properly
Jessica, Choya and IM coach all getting pissed off

The production values just weren't there for OGN. As a Korean speaker I can appreciate the commentators from OGN, but everything else sucked shit (and I still prefer the casualness of Tastosis). Overall I think the event was a bad first impression for SC2 in Korea, which I guess is reflected in the criticism OGN has gotten for it from Korean viewers.

On September 27 2011 15:35 duckTemplar wrote:
A few interesting tidbit after observe the OGN:

1) I can't help but to notice how empty the place was, even the first row had empty seats
2) Yeah the commentators are exciting, boxers included, but with no subtitles or english casting, most of us would't know wtf they're talking about anyway.
3) rumors has it that Nestea had computer issues, either due to patch 1.4 or poor computer from WCG / OGN & they're using wrong versions of map.

On September 27 2011 15:44 Nikon wrote:


I'm speechless... also how is this the first impression of SC2 in Korea?



How can you not understand what they're talking about when it's shown on your screen? Seriously, the fuck is this?

On September 27 2011 18:45 Kiyo. wrote:


According to Milkis, most of the people on PlayXP thought OGN's observing was bad as well.

gulati United States. September 27 2011 06:06
I also would like to point out that there is a subtle difference between GOM and OGN, in my opinion, so I will try to explain this as accurately as possible:

OGN has the legacy that we ex-BW followers know and love. They are what every other business model has tried to mimic, and many have done just as good. However, there is one characteristic about OGN that I personally feel cannot be mimic'd by any other company (such as GOM), and that is commentary. GOM can actually do whatever they want, such as having a huge studio, perfect overlays, and a bigger fanbase, but if their commentators cannot compare to Themarine and the likes, then there is actually no feasible way for them to ever be on that same level. For me, and for many other die-hard BW lovers, we tuned in, not knowing much Hangul, and still felt like we knew EXACTLY what the commentators were saying, just because they were able to paint a picture of a foreign language with so much passion in our minds, and it perfectly translated to the image we visually saw. I feel that Tastosis, while great, is no way near as passionate and talented as OGN commentators, in terms of generating spectator hype.

This is 100% subjective, and this is only MY opinion. I feel that many people share this view, and many others many deviate from it. The point is simple though: I feel that OGN has a better chance of being better than GOM, by simply fixing some overlays, hardware, and visualization. GOM, on the other hand, can match and beat OGN in terms of visuals, but they can never match the intangibles, which are the legacy commentators who have burning passions.

On September 27 2011 08:31 Goibon wrote:
If the observer counts as production, then OGN win by default. It's just... i can't get over how good he was.

With GSL MLG whatever event, you name it, i'm always looking at supply counts and stuff because their observers fail to show me everything. Almost every single game we hear Tastosis say something important is happening which we can't see and have to take their word for it, like a hellion drop at a natural or something like that but we never see it, or get a full grasp of what damage was done. Without fail, the observing fails.

This OGN broski's level of multitasking feels like its matching what the players are doing. He is accurately representing their abilities through his observing and letting me know exactly what is happening in the game at all times without showing me irrelevant crap instead. The other observers look like foreign players getting dropped by MMA all over the place and just falling apart by comparison.

Now if he doesn't count as production, then i give the edge to GOM. OGN was great with their recaps and everything, but GOM is a lot prettier and that does matter some.

On September 28 2011 04:59 MrCon wrote:

Wanted t omake a post like this but didn't managed to express it correctly.
THIS THIS THIS !

On September 28 2011 08:19 0neder wrote:

OMG QFT THANK YOU.
i am SO sick of casters relying on progress bars. Stop telling me what will happen, give me suspense, start screaming, and get an amazing observer.