Power Rank 07/01/2011 - Page 33

On August 01 2011 19:55 moopie wrote:
I think this settles the "Jangbi should stay on the PR" thing.. better luck next month.

On August 02 2011 10:39 VGhost wrote:


For losing in a show-match when he's got a date with Flash coming up? Granted hyvaa's a nobody, but still he's a nobody in the OSL Ro8...

I wouldn't be putting him higher than 7-8 probably, but dual leagues counts for a lot imo even if his playoffs were shaky.

I'm not buying the "lots of people to put above him" argument. There's Flash, Hydra, Bisu, JD, fantasy, ZerO, Soulkey, n.die_soO all with strong arguments, but all except Flash (and soO, oddly) have negatives against them right now.

I won't be excessively upset if he's left off, because he's been a little lucky and his PL 0-3 wasn't good, but I still think he's good for a low spot.

On August 02 2011 11:52 Elefanto wrote:


What has fantasy done to grant him a spot on the rank?

On August 02 2011 13:19 Zaxro wrote:
EDIT: Damn, hit post before I meant to
I think the only contenders for #1 following PL finals are
Flash-Obvious choice, if KT loses or he falls apart then he could not get #1
Bisu-Proleague MVP, needs to beat flash or win two games in PL finals
Fantasy-Great in OSL, if he takes Flash down in PL Finals I can see giving him #1, but he is going to need, like Bisu Win two games, preferably one of which being Flash (or Stats if KT is crazy and doesn't send Flash in the ace match)-He is a veeeeeery long shot for #1 though

So essentially, I think #1 is going to go to whoever wins their team the PL finals, or possibly Flash if he does well but the rest of his team falls apart and loses outside of Ace (even then I'd be very tempted to give Bisu or Fantasy #1. Outside of #1 I just have to agree with those who argue for Jangbi/Killer to get lower spots on the rank, because both have been playing pretty damn well. I think I can forgive Jangbi's poor win/loss ratio 5-6 when I notice that four of those losses were to Jaedong, Soulkey and x2 to Zero (and I thought Jangbi played pretty in those games)

On August 02 2011 14:41 Winechu wrote:
The only contender for the number 1 spot is Flash, PL finals regardless. To even say Fantasy in contention for the number 1 spot? I sincerely hope that you're not serious. Nope, not even by a long shot. He isn't even on July's PR.

On August 02 2011 14:56 ffreakk wrote:


Of course i dont expect KT boys to agree to put anyone but Flash on the #1 spot.

But Bisu too has been going very strong for a while now. Outside that 1-2 loss to Hyvaa, he has quite a lot under his belt this season. And if he is key in winning the upcoming SPL Grand Finals (especially winning 2 games), i dont see anything wrong with giving him #1. After all, isnt SPL Grand Finals the most important event every year? Sure Flash does well in the playoff, dropping only 3 games, and playing well even in those losses (outside of that Shuttle game), but playoff isnt gonna compare to Grand Finals no? I mean, losing the Grand Finals renders anything victory in the Playoffs pointless.. Kinda. =/

On August 02 2011 15:21 Winechu wrote:


It's completely farcical to suggest that. Bisu played 3 freaking games this month, amongst his opponents Songduri and Skyhigh (hint: they're bad), his only opponent of note is Baby, who doesn't seem to know how to play TvP recently (i.e. his games against jangbi). Compare it to Flash (who by the way, qualified for the OSL) who was a pivotal driving force in KT's run and delivered impressive games.

Losing the Grand Finals renders every other victory pointless? Wow. Your bolded part makes me speechless. Why bother considering any other games other than those in the finals then. In fact, just give the winning players of the GF's winning team a spot on the PR. I'm sure since Paralyze beat Flash in the GF, he must be worthy of a rank. Because only games in the GFs matter. Even if Zero was impressive, his team lost so his wins were pointless. Ridiculous.

And by the way, SPL GF is still a team series. Bisu can't win the final on his own.

You cannot be serious.

On August 02 2011 15:44 ffreakk wrote:


You are overreacting.. While i might not have phrased it too clearly, the conclusion that i gave for "losing in the finals makes playoffs victories pointless" is: The Grand Finals games are more important than the playoffs games. I believe you can find that line in my original post that you quoted.

And i thought we have gone through this many times before, that a PR doesnt strictly cover just that month? That while past games holds less importance, they are also put into consideration when analyzing a player's spot on PR.

For your information, Flash was rank #1 last month. The only thing he did was 3-0ign MSL finals, into 5 PL loss streak. But he was number 1, and nobody disputed that.

On August 02 2011 14:54 Musou wrote:

Nobody else is even close to Flash right now in terms of contenders for #1. The only way I could really see Flash not being #1 is if he loses to one of SKT's rookies in a terrible game, and even then I'd be likely to think it's a fluke. Even if Bisu or Fantasy beats Flash in an amazing game, that's not nearly enough to put either of them over him.

On August 02 2011 15:58 Winechu wrote:


Even so, cumulated games in the POs can't compare to a game in the grand finals?

Even if you go by past performance, Flash has been more impressive, which is why I neglected to even bring that up. That you brought up the fact that Flash is the incumbent number one makes it even more farcical. Consider their places in July's PR.

On August 02 2011 19:00 ffreakk wrote:


Alright, it is clear that we wont be agreeing on this matter. I ll just be waiting for Saturday, while stocking up on my snacks reserve then.

Also, i personally would have preferred it if you would refrain from spamming words like "farcical". It is unnecessarily negative, and i believe the opposing side did nothing more damnable than simply disagreeing with you in a civilised way.