EPTand the #4 zerg by ELO is... KILLLLLLLLAAAAARRRR FUCK YEAH
edit: amusingly enough watching the elo made me realize shark is higher on the ELO rank then juni
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swanized
Canada2480 Posts
and the #4 zerg by ELO is... KILLLLLLLLAAAAARRRR FUCK YEAH edit: amusingly enough watching the elo made me realize shark is higher on the ELO rank then juni | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
And you guys are right about my accidentally overlooking Sun and Paralyze, although TBH if I'm the SKT coach I might play Sun but I won't play Paralyze. KT's line-up is very strong against Protoss. The only reason I'm playing Best in my line-up (a risk considering that if matches are selected randomly there is about a 4/6 chance he plays Zerg) is to take down Flash. | ||
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_romantic
United States455 Posts
On July 28 2011 15:05 Mortality wrote: I kind of did an overview for KT's ideal at the bottom. Really the key, rather than trying to shutdown Bisu/Fanta, is to put Flash and Stats in a position where they can effectively score auto-wins, that way you only need 1 more win to secure an ace match, 2 more wins to steal the series. And you guys are right about my accidentally overlooking Sun and Paralyze, although TBH if I'm the SKT coach I might play Sun but I won't play Paralyze. KT's line-up is very strong against Protoss. The only reason I'm playing Best in my line-up (a risk considering that if matches are selected randomly there is about a 4/6 chance he plays Zerg) is to take down Flash. If you had to assign odds, what would you bet? | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
On July 28 2011 05:21 Mortality wrote: I've already discussed ace match: choice is Bisu 85%, Fanta 15% as far as I'm concerned. Whoever is planned to ace needs to plan to face Flash. For regular line-up, Best should be the choice to face Flash. Best has little chance at beating any Zerg with remotely any skill and his PvP isn't all that hot either, but his PvT might be top 3 right now in all BW and has strong head-to-head vs Flash both lifetime and recently. To keep away from Flash are Bisu and Fanta. Both these players have a very high chance of winning against pretty much any other KT player, so rather than risking them on Flash it makes sense to secure "auto-wins." Stats is potentially the other player to watch out. T1's obvious choice is Soo. Stats is a player who sometimes sucks donkey balls and other times makes you think "S-class," so you don't really want to put him against Bisu or Fanta, although it's not as bad as putting them against Flash. Ssak would get crushed by Stats and S2 and Hyuk (although I'm thinking he won't play) have some chance but just aren't as good at ZvP as Soo (although they are better at ZvZ I think -- so I'd plan to use them against KT's Zergs). Hoejja is really known for his ZvP so T1 shouldn't worry too hard about him since Bisu should walk over him and Best is an autoloss against a decent Zerg anyway. Action could be a concern because like Stats he's know for busting it out, but lately he sucks. As for Perfective, we really haven't seen enough of him for me to make an informed statement, but he appears to be yet another ZvP sniper. That's basically my game plan if I'm T1. Best v Flash Soo v Stats Bisu v Crazy-Hydra Fanta v Roo s2 v Action Ssak/Hyuk v Hoejja Ace: Bisu On the flipside, if I'm KT I want Flash to get an autowin vs a SKT Zerg, I hit Stats against Ssak/s2/Hyuk for a high probability of a twofer, I put Action on either Fanta or Bisu and probably Hoejja on the other hoping to take one of them down but not risking either of my stars, I put any Zerg against Best and try to keep Roo in a clean-up position since he's doing well there. I risk planning 3 aces. Flash is my first and Stats is my second. If Flash is too injured and Stats loses, I put in my third ace who will plan a cheese build (whoever I think has the fortitude for it). IF skt1 gets those lineups, I will fucking eat something hard and uncomfortable cus thats a nightmare for KTright there something ideal for KT would probally be Sun vs Flash Bisu vs Stats/Action hoejja vs Fantasy Crazy hydra vs Soo Barracks vs s2 Hoejja vs Best then I'd pick Stats/flash for ace depending on the map (if it's bloody ridge, stats could be sent to snipe bisu, and Stats would probally be able to beat fantasy on this map too) thats how I see it anyways, Sun vs Flash is ideal for KT since Sun isn't known for his PvT but rather his PvZ and while I think he could be taken down by a KT zerg (since we took down movie) it''s not worth risking when you have the best tvp in the world on your team. Cant make more likely lineups (rather than favorable) before i have the map order on my hands | ||
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_romantic
United States455 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=247125 | ||
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hitthat
Poland2349 Posts
On July 28 2011 15:53 Iplaythings wrote: something ideal for KT would probally be (...) hoejja vs Fantasy Ugh, I dont know it would be ideal for KT, as hoejja would have no comfort with playing against guy, who hummilated him, nuked him and erazed him in first game, and than defeated him in second game when hoejja failed every single chance to snipe his third. Offcourse hoejja improved much and Fantasy lost some of his cuteness, but he still would have mental edge over the hoejja. | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
On July 28 2011 15:21 _romantic wrote: If you had to assign odds, what would you bet? It's a bit hard to put odds because KT has a lot of inconsistent players, but I definitely think the odds are with T1. KT is coming into this a bit reliant on its Zergs and most of them are known for their ZvP, but none of them should be a serious threat to Bisu. T1's Zergs are better at ZvZ. On July 28 2011 15:53 Iplaythings wrote: IF skt1 gets those lineups, I will fucking eat something hard and uncomfortable cus thats a nightmare for KTright there something ideal for KT would probally be Sun vs Flash Bisu vs Stats/Action hoejja vs Fantasy Crazy hydra vs Soo Barracks vs s2 Hoejja vs Best then I'd pick Stats/flash for ace depending on the map (if it's bloody ridge, stats could be sent to snipe bisu, and Stats would probally be able to beat fantasy on this map too) thats how I see it anyways, Sun vs Flash is ideal for KT since Sun isn't known for his PvT but rather his PvZ and while I think he could be taken down by a KT zerg (since we took down movie) it''s not worth risking when you have the best tvp in the world on your team. Cant make more likely lineups (rather than favorable) before i have the map order on my hands Hrrrm, I'd disagree. KT's ideal goes something like: Flash v Zerg, preferrably Soo (knocks out T1's rising star and best ZvPer) Hoejja v Bisu Action v Fanta (hoping for Action to bring his Roo v Best (autowin for KT) Stats v Sun/Ssak/Hyuk Crazy-H/Barracks v s2 Maybe that's not perfect, but it gives you 2-3 autowins. Another possibility is to take a bit of a gamble and try to utilize Stats on Bisu or Fantasy, but on paper that would be a bad call since Bisu is #1 PvP by ELO and Fantasy is #3 vP by ELO only 19 ELO points away from #1 Flash. If you do that, put Action on the other, move Hoejja to Best and move Roo to Sun/Hyuk/s2, Crazy-H to Hyuk/s2/Ssak. That still gives you only 2 autowins but strengthens some of your other chances so you can win without even taking it to ace. Again, Flash is my ace, Stats a back-up, and I'd choose a third back-up as well. Possibly take a flier on Perfective as third back-up. Now that it occurs to me, if I'm T1 and whoever faces Flash is losing I tell them to deliberately practice bad gg timing in order to make Flash less able to give 100% in ace. | ||
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oldgregg
New Zealand1176 Posts
On July 28 2011 01:09 Mortality wrote: Even with a tie-breaker possibility, JD can at best be #4 on the PR, and that's assuming Hydra decides to suck. No way do I see JD being ahead of Zero or Bisu right now, let alone Flash. why should bisu be in the top 3? he's not in the OSL and has only played 3 games so far this month | ||
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VGhost
United States3621 Posts
On July 28 2011 13:46 swanized wrote: edit: amusingly enough watching the elo made me realize shark is higher on the ELO rank then juni This should surprise no one who has ever watched Juni play. :/ Unless he's been decent lately and I've missed it. | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
On July 28 2011 20:53 oldgregg wrote: why should bisu be in the top 3? he's not in the OSL and has only played 3 games so far this month Why shouldn't he be top 3? What does the number of games he's played so far have to do with anything? | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On July 28 2011 22:12 Mortality wrote: Why shouldn't he be top 3? What does the number of games he's played so far have to do with anything? Matters a lot. It's kind of an ongoing punishment that he won't get ranked as high as people in both the OSL and MSL because they play OSL games over him, and some dudes like flash sweep their OSL group. For instance, you could be one of the best players around it doesn't matter if you don't play a game for 6 months! (effort :D) | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
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swanized
Canada2480 Posts
Jaedong should not be ranked above bisu even if bisu barely played this month... | ||
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p14c
Vatican City State431 Posts
 Even with 1 hand Flash is still dominating. | ||
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oldgregg
New Zealand1176 Posts
flash, killer and fantasy 3-0ed their OSL groups. zero and soulkey are 7-2 this month. what has bisu done? won a proleague match and gotten out of his MST group, id say he's not as 'hot' as the others i've mentioned this month. his hotness for being awesome in proleague is starting to fade i think. and there was the argument last month that bisu would be punished for not being in the OSL | ||
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GGQ
Canada2653 Posts
On July 28 2011 22:58 TwoToneTerran wrote: Matters a lot. It's kind of an ongoing punishment that he won't get ranked as high as people in both the OSL and MSL because they play OSL games over him, and some dudes like flash sweep their OSL group. For instance, you could be one of the best players around it doesn't matter if you don't play a game for 6 months! (effort :D) If you punish Bisu for not playing much this month, you are punishing him for helping his team get first place in PL and seeded into the final. If SKT had to fight its way through the PL playoffs, we would have seen more games from Bisu for sure, and judging from his recent PL performances he probably would have done quite well. You can punish Bisu for not having OSL games to play, but you have to give him credit for not having to play any PL games. He's won what he had to win this month. | ||
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Dakkas
2550 Posts
On July 29 2011 11:06 oldgregg wrote: i just think there are other people more deserving of a top 3 spot than bisu. flash, killer and fantasy 3-0ed their OSL groups. zero and soulkey are 7-2 this month. what has bisu done? won a proleague match and gotten out of his MST group, id say he's not as 'hot' as the others i've mentioned this month. his hotness for being awesome in proleague is starting to fade i think. and there was the argument last month that bisu would be punished for not being in the OSL It's not just about having a good W/L ratio. Obviously Flash still looks to be #1 but you can't argue that Killer and Fantasy suddenly look really 'powerful' because they're winning games. Neither of them have an aura nor can you seriously say they could take Bisu on. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On July 29 2011 11:40 GGQ wrote: If you punish Bisu for not playing much this month, you are punishing him for helping his team get first place in PL and seeded into the final. If SKT had to fight its way through the PL playoffs, we would have seen more games from Bisu for sure, and judging from his recent PL performances he probably would have done quite well. You can punish Bisu for not having OSL games to play, but you have to give him credit for not having to play any PL games. He's won what he had to win this month. I specifically pointed out how it's because he's not in OSL. He's gonna be top 5 because he dominated proleague and made it past MST. He'd have a shot at #1 if he was in OSL. | ||
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jjhchsc2
Korea (South)2393 Posts
On July 29 2011 01:16 swanized wrote: I unfortunately need to be my annoying stars fanboy self and remind everyone that soulkey is 8-2 this month Jaedong should not be ranked above bisu even if bisu barely played this month... i am so sad that this is true.... | ||
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