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On May 29 2011 11:58 vishrut wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2011 11:56 moopie wrote:On May 29 2011 11:54 vishrut wrote:On May 29 2011 11:44 moopie wrote:On May 29 2011 11:21 Mortality wrote:
2 times semifinal or higher in a row and people still think Hydra's "just a fluke?" Kind of want to see FBH, Horang2, and Light in low PR spots. Bogus was pretty good. 1-0 over both Dong and Sea and 1-1 with Soulkey, but 0-1 to Hydra, 0-1 to Bisu, 0-2 to FBH tells me he should be behind those guys. He essentially ZvZ'd all the way to his first title ( 1), having gotten lucky to not run into good terrans. His win vs JD was noteworthy, but then again JD's ZvZ is no longer immortal either. In his second run he arranged for himself to have a (mostly) safe trip to the ro8 by sticking Flash/JD/Bisu in group D (which is not a very champion-like thing to do). He did beat Stork (which wasn't bad, I'll admit), and then Mind. While I certainly don't think Hydra is a bad player (in fact I don't know that anyone does) I also don't think he's S-class or anything, though he is certainly hyped as such by certain people. If he manages to convincingly beat Flash in mechanics/gameplay (not just relying on ling all-in/2-hatch lurks/etc) I'll likely be changing my tune. i just realized he might put stork and bisu into flash's group if he wins and fuck up the next msl And if Flash wins, perhaps he'll stick Bisu and great into Hydra's group to let Bisu get some revenge. are flash and bisu good friends? doesnt flash practice with cj zergs?
Flash seems to be friends with everyone...
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On May 29 2011 22:12 jpak wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2011 15:04 Mortality wrote:On May 29 2011 14:40 moopie wrote:On May 29 2011 14:15 Mortality wrote:
Seems to me like just a lot of fanboy hate for wrecking TBLS dominance two seasons running. Cowardly sticking the best of the best in a group so they'll be forced to eliminate each other because you're afraid of facing them (and want to secure an easy seed instead) isn't exactly wrecking dominance. That's the main reason people don't think of him as a true champion. Which is a stupid reason, quite honestly, as it has nothing to do with what he did last season nor does it have anything to do with the impressiveness of his run this season. Do remember that he allowed Light in his own group, which for a Zerg player is hardly such a cowardly thing to do. It's true that he knew he was getting rid of one member of TBLS, but methinks that the real reason he did it was because he could. And then laugh about it. Viewed from a different light he was sending them a message. That the era of TBLS is coming to an end?
Except that no, it doesn't send any message of the sort. for people to think tbls are 'coming to an end', they need to either all slump and fade away (currently flash and bisu are on top of their game), or get passed in skill by rising competition. Sticking them against each other is just a cheap cowardly move, I don't see any other interpretation for it. You're not proving you're better than them if they are forced to eliminate each other.
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On May 30 2011 04:07 GolemMadness wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2011 11:58 vishrut wrote:On May 29 2011 11:56 moopie wrote:On May 29 2011 11:54 vishrut wrote:On May 29 2011 11:44 moopie wrote:On May 29 2011 11:21 Mortality wrote:
2 times semifinal or higher in a row and people still think Hydra's "just a fluke?" Kind of want to see FBH, Horang2, and Light in low PR spots. Bogus was pretty good. 1-0 over both Dong and Sea and 1-1 with Soulkey, but 0-1 to Hydra, 0-1 to Bisu, 0-2 to FBH tells me he should be behind those guys. He essentially ZvZ'd all the way to his first title ( 1), having gotten lucky to not run into good terrans. His win vs JD was noteworthy, but then again JD's ZvZ is no longer immortal either. In his second run he arranged for himself to have a (mostly) safe trip to the ro8 by sticking Flash/JD/Bisu in group D (which is not a very champion-like thing to do). He did beat Stork (which wasn't bad, I'll admit), and then Mind. While I certainly don't think Hydra is a bad player (in fact I don't know that anyone does) I also don't think he's S-class or anything, though he is certainly hyped as such by certain people. If he manages to convincingly beat Flash in mechanics/gameplay (not just relying on ling all-in/2-hatch lurks/etc) I'll likely be changing my tune. i just realized he might put stork and bisu into flash's group if he wins and fuck up the next msl And if Flash wins, perhaps he'll stick Bisu and great into Hydra's group to let Bisu get some revenge. are flash and bisu good friends? doesnt flash practice with cj zergs? Flash seems to be friends with everyone...
I don't think Flash is too friendly with Bisu or Stork in some way.
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On May 30 2011 04:39 moopie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2011 22:12 jpak wrote:On May 29 2011 15:04 Mortality wrote:On May 29 2011 14:40 moopie wrote:On May 29 2011 14:15 Mortality wrote:
Seems to me like just a lot of fanboy hate for wrecking TBLS dominance two seasons running. Cowardly sticking the best of the best in a group so they'll be forced to eliminate each other because you're afraid of facing them (and want to secure an easy seed instead) isn't exactly wrecking dominance. That's the main reason people don't think of him as a true champion. Which is a stupid reason, quite honestly, as it has nothing to do with what he did last season nor does it have anything to do with the impressiveness of his run this season. Do remember that he allowed Light in his own group, which for a Zerg player is hardly such a cowardly thing to do. It's true that he knew he was getting rid of one member of TBLS, but methinks that the real reason he did it was because he could. And then laugh about it. Viewed from a different light he was sending them a message. That the era of TBLS is coming to an end? Except that no, it doesn't send any message of the sort. for people to think tbls are 'coming to an end', they need to either all slump and fade away (currently flash and bisu are on top of their game), or get passed in skill by rising competition. Sticking them against each other is just a cheap cowardly move, I don't see any other interpretation for it. You're not proving you're better than them if they are forced to eliminate each other.
You're proving they aren't getting seeded and you are. You're calling the shots and you're making yourself a target. Why would a coward paint a bullseye on his back? Why would a coward let the #2 TvZer in the world be his very first opponent when ZvT is considered his weak match? I think you're off base.
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But how many times have they gotten seeded and how many times has he? did Flash and JD abuse the hell out of their votes? sure he's not breaking the rules, he's just being a juvenile turd. Guy gets power once and gets drunk on it. And why didn't he move light? because he didn't need to. He only had to play 1 game vs Light and the rest of the group was easy. Anyway, pretty clear we're not going to agree on this, so continuing this is pointless.
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On May 30 2011 05:47 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2011 04:07 GolemMadness wrote:On May 29 2011 11:58 vishrut wrote:On May 29 2011 11:56 moopie wrote:On May 29 2011 11:54 vishrut wrote:On May 29 2011 11:44 moopie wrote:On May 29 2011 11:21 Mortality wrote:
2 times semifinal or higher in a row and people still think Hydra's "just a fluke?" Kind of want to see FBH, Horang2, and Light in low PR spots. Bogus was pretty good. 1-0 over both Dong and Sea and 1-1 with Soulkey, but 0-1 to Hydra, 0-1 to Bisu, 0-2 to FBH tells me he should be behind those guys. He essentially ZvZ'd all the way to his first title ( 1), having gotten lucky to not run into good terrans. His win vs JD was noteworthy, but then again JD's ZvZ is no longer immortal either. In his second run he arranged for himself to have a (mostly) safe trip to the ro8 by sticking Flash/JD/Bisu in group D (which is not a very champion-like thing to do). He did beat Stork (which wasn't bad, I'll admit), and then Mind. While I certainly don't think Hydra is a bad player (in fact I don't know that anyone does) I also don't think he's S-class or anything, though he is certainly hyped as such by certain people. If he manages to convincingly beat Flash in mechanics/gameplay (not just relying on ling all-in/2-hatch lurks/etc) I'll likely be changing my tune. i just realized he might put stork and bisu into flash's group if he wins and fuck up the next msl And if Flash wins, perhaps he'll stick Bisu and great into Hydra's group to let Bisu get some revenge. are flash and bisu good friends? doesnt flash practice with cj zergs? Flash seems to be friends with everyone... I don't think Flash is too friendly with Bisu or Stork in some way.
I always thought that Flash and Stork are good friends. In the past Flash and Stork both mentioned practicing quite a bit with each other.
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On May 30 2011 08:43 Lebesgue wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2011 05:47 Xiphos wrote:On May 30 2011 04:07 GolemMadness wrote:On May 29 2011 11:58 vishrut wrote:On May 29 2011 11:56 moopie wrote:On May 29 2011 11:54 vishrut wrote:On May 29 2011 11:44 moopie wrote:On May 29 2011 11:21 Mortality wrote:
2 times semifinal or higher in a row and people still think Hydra's "just a fluke?" Kind of want to see FBH, Horang2, and Light in low PR spots. Bogus was pretty good. 1-0 over both Dong and Sea and 1-1 with Soulkey, but 0-1 to Hydra, 0-1 to Bisu, 0-2 to FBH tells me he should be behind those guys. He essentially ZvZ'd all the way to his first title ( 1), having gotten lucky to not run into good terrans. His win vs JD was noteworthy, but then again JD's ZvZ is no longer immortal either. In his second run he arranged for himself to have a (mostly) safe trip to the ro8 by sticking Flash/JD/Bisu in group D (which is not a very champion-like thing to do). He did beat Stork (which wasn't bad, I'll admit), and then Mind. While I certainly don't think Hydra is a bad player (in fact I don't know that anyone does) I also don't think he's S-class or anything, though he is certainly hyped as such by certain people. If he manages to convincingly beat Flash in mechanics/gameplay (not just relying on ling all-in/2-hatch lurks/etc) I'll likely be changing my tune. i just realized he might put stork and bisu into flash's group if he wins and fuck up the next msl And if Flash wins, perhaps he'll stick Bisu and great into Hydra's group to let Bisu get some revenge. are flash and bisu good friends? doesnt flash practice with cj zergs? Flash seems to be friends with everyone... I don't think Flash is too friendly with Bisu or Stork in some way. I always thought that Flash and Stork are good friends. In the past Flash and Stork both mentioned practicing quite a bit with each other.
Yeah it was before in the last OSL finals, I remember Flash saying that he would either practise with Stork or not depending on if Stork or Fantasy asked first
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Flash and Stork have definitely seemed friendly in the past. I remember Stork used to sound like a Flash fanboy last year in his interviews, always predicting him to win things because he's just so damn good.
But then there was that drama over the Proleague no-show where KT gave Flash the day off to practice for individual leagues and Stork called him out on it, which of course came back to bite Stork in the ass recently when Khan did the same thing for him.
Bisu doesn't really seem close with any of the other TBLS
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On May 30 2011 14:04 Hinanawi wrote:
Bisu doesn't really seem close with any of the other TBLS
Bisu is just extremely introverted. He's not very close with SKT players either :3
He seemed closest to MBCGame back in the day.
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On May 30 2011 14:04 Hinanawi wrote:
Flash and Stork have definitely seemed friendly in the past. I remember Stork used to sound like a Flash fanboy last year in his interviews, always predicting him to win things because he's just so damn good.
But then there was that drama over the Proleague no-show where KT gave Flash the day off to practice for individual leagues and Stork called him out on it, which of course came back to bite Stork in the ass recently when Khan did the same thing for him.
Bisu doesn't really seem close with any of the other TBLS
well and what was worse about stork doing that is he got 3-0'd rofl... That was hilarious :D
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On May 29 2011 11:16 vishrut wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2011 11:04 Brycks7 wrote:1. Flash 2. Zero 3. Soulkey 4. Bisu 5. Hydra 6. Jaedong 7. Movie 8. Bogus Easy  why the hell is soulkey above bisu. bisu trashes soulkey everytime? Why is soulkey above hydra?
Because Soulkey and Zero are the same person
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is there gonna be a new PR up tomorrow? or are we waiting till after the finals
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On May 30 2011 04:39 moopie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2011 22:12 jpak wrote:On May 29 2011 15:04 Mortality wrote:On May 29 2011 14:40 moopie wrote:On May 29 2011 14:15 Mortality wrote:
Seems to me like just a lot of fanboy hate for wrecking TBLS dominance two seasons running. Cowardly sticking the best of the best in a group so they'll be forced to eliminate each other because you're afraid of facing them (and want to secure an easy seed instead) isn't exactly wrecking dominance. That's the main reason people don't think of him as a true champion. Which is a stupid reason, quite honestly, as it has nothing to do with what he did last season nor does it have anything to do with the impressiveness of his run this season. Do remember that he allowed Light in his own group, which for a Zerg player is hardly such a cowardly thing to do. It's true that he knew he was getting rid of one member of TBLS, but methinks that the real reason he did it was because he could. And then laugh about it. Viewed from a different light he was sending them a message. That the era of TBLS is coming to an end? Except that no, it doesn't send any message of the sort. for people to think tbls are 'coming to an end', they need to either all slump and fade away (currently flash and bisu are on top of their game), or get passed in skill by rising competition. Sticking them against each other is just a cheap cowardly move, I don't see any other interpretation for it. You're not proving you're better than them if they are forced to eliminate each other.
As much as I hate Hydra for setting up the Group of Death, do you realize how childish you sound? He's a professional and he's playing to win; it's not his fault that TBLS got knocked out before they could get a seed, he's just exercising his right as champion. It's not a cheap cowardly move. It's the smart thing to do. If it were me in the same position I would have done it without any hesitation.
At the end of the day it sucks for the fans. But these players aren't playing for you. They're playing to win. The entertainment of spectators come secondary.
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I'm aware of that, and I acknowledged that he didn't violate the rules. I also pointed out how Flash and JD never saw fit to abuse their power like this (and they've had said power a lot more than Hydra did). For that I admire them. Being smart and being cowardly are not mutually exclusive.
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I actually think Hydra did it for the lulz instead of trying to dodge someone, lol.
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I don't think there's anything to take from Hydra's selection. After all, he's hardly the first to form a group of death. Note that it bit Bisu in the ass on this occasion, as it could have done for Hydra in the form of Light's excellent TvZ.
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On May 30 2011 18:29 metzninja wrote:I don't think there's anything to take from Hydra's selection. After all, he's hardly the first to form a group of death. Note that it bit Bisu in the ass on this occasion, as it could have done for Hydra in the form of Light's excellent TvZ.
Oh, how soon we forget that Bisu did that. Most of us did forget about that because it was overshadowed by Bisu putting Savior as his first opponent. And you know what? I'm GLAD hydra and great did what they did. Most of the other top seeds (Bisu excluded) were too "courteous" and were afraid to make any controversial switches. Story lines make for great Starleagues and this created a TON.
Also, hydra kept his promise of not getting eliminated until he met someone from Group of Death, which was another storyline going through the MSL.
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On May 30 2011 18:15 bearbuddy wrote:
I actually think Hydra did it for the lulz instead of trying to dodge someone, lol.
I tend to agree with that. It probably was just Hydra trying to spice things up a bit... which he did... I still don't like what he did and I think it was bad for this MSL. Its a good thing Flash is still in it to save us from another ZvZzzzzzzzzzzzzz final.
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I can't realy understand how come , every time people can't see past the "fans" in them.And give ridiculous reasons to justify how their "boy" should be #1 or atleast above their current #...
I admit i'm a Bisu(more like toss actually) fan , and u can stomp me as much as you like ,but beesuit deserves a place over flash(for April that is).
And to those who don't get it.. Winners League is Much Much bigger stage than MSLs group of death.
Thats one shot - no second chances . Plus you aren't the only one who's losing , you throw away all your teammates work for the last what 1-2-3months(?) - and thats for all of you that talk too much of Flash's 2 MSL games over Bisu. Add the random game drops of Flash and you have it ... And keep in mind PR is monthly , not yearly , neither alltime... So instead of flaming , hope that your favourites will do better.
P.S. I really can see the Group of Death go like forever if they had to play each other. And i'm really happy as there isn't one dominant player as it kinda ruins the fun of the game.(what do you want to see? every time the same onesided game or drama/comebacks/corean comentators screaming??)
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On May 30 2011 14:13 moopie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2011 14:04 Hinanawi wrote:
Bisu doesn't really seem close with any of the other TBLS Bisu is just extremely introverted. He's not very close with SKT players either :3 He seemed closest to MBCGame back in the day.
Hes good friends with Stork I know. And he practices with Jaedong (I forgot which interview he mentioned this in) on Battle.net he said. Not sure about his relationship with Flash.
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