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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
On April 26 2011 12:13 bearbuddy wrote: I'm pretty sure they mean this: In which you showed contempt for the writer and PR, though I took it as a sarcastic statement and had a little laugh out of it. A witty one-liner here or there is fine, but when every single post is snarky and antagonistic then it's just down-right disrespectful. | ||
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Evs
Philippines330 Posts
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Caladbolg
2855 Posts
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Evs
Philippines330 Posts
On April 26 2011 18:58 Evs wrote: I won't deny that I have been critical of how the PR ranking has been made in this thread. My wording for the post above could have been better but I won't change it now since it is being used against me. Just to be clear of my intent behind that post: I don't know whether the PR writer will decide to include next week as part of the coming month's PR. After FW posted of the delay Mortality insinuated that "a lot more can happen" in that extra week to change the rankings. I knew that what he said was true because past PRs can be heavily influenced by the last few games of the month. I cited Flash because he benefits from this the most: his current WL for the month is 0-2, with the last loss coming from a slumping Best (Yes, Best played amazing but to be the first player beaten by someone who had that loss streak is a black mark on your record.) I "laughed" at that post because the already long debate for the top 3 ranks will be extended for a week because of the delay. I found the timing of the writer needing to take a break funny because it leaves a lot of PR followers hanging. I have issues with the criteria for ranking but I have no problem with a writer for prioritizing his real life commitments. I am sure that when he gets back to writing there will be more arguments to muddle the water by then. Most of these will be in that extra week and I feel that that is what will eventually happen in the next PR. TLDR: I do not hold blame or contempt for the writer when I made that post. I was just making a comment on how even fortune (chance, luck) is on Flash's side because he can still aim higher for the PR with this combination of events. @Mortality: I do sound antagonistic but it is mostly from my disagreement with the ranking process. Constantly disagreeing with someone's ideas does not equate to disrespect in my book so I guess we are at odds here. | ||
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Malinor
Germany4729 Posts
hehe, even the coverage month is being changed just so Flash can get a better argument now? Such is how PRs are made. The statement is a) offensive and b) ridiculous, given that Flamewheel is probably one of the people on this board who would love to see Jaedong at #1 again the most. | ||
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Evs
Philippines330 Posts
This is the last I'll reply regarding this matter. I already explained the reasoning behind my message before and how I didn't mean to offend any person for it. I rest my case with this. I can hardly convince you with your interpretation of my sentences even when I'm the one who made them . | ||
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
lol if that ain't blaming the writer of PR then i don't know what the hell is LOL. | ||
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moopie
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sixfour
England11061 Posts
On April 26 2011 23:27 moopie wrote: Iris needs an CBNC shoutout he looked solid but to be honest both the players he played today played fucking terribly, turn especially | ||
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Crisium
United States1618 Posts
However, you must make your decision now whether or not to count the results of May 1st through May 7th. For the sake of transparency and lack of bias, you should do this. Consider this hypothetical situation: You are biased towards Bisu (I know you are not) and he performs well in the first week of May and Flash does not and so you justify this to place him above Flash. OR... Bisu performs terribly and Flash performs astonishingly, but you say "Guys I cut it off at April 30th, and the WL finals just barely edge out the MSL Ro32 so Bisu gets it, sorry I can't count May". Now this bias can work with any player really, and while I know you try your most to be unbiased, you never know if at a subconscious level you will make a decision like this. Please take my advice into consideration and publicly make your decision soon. Thank you. | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5599 Posts
On April 27 2011 08:36 Crisium wrote: Postponing your post of the PR to May 7th is quite alright, Flamewheel. However, you must make your decision now whether or not to count the results of May 1st through May 7th. For the sake of transparency and lack of bias, you should do this. Consider this hypothetical situation: You are biased towards Bisu (I know you are not) and he performs well in the first week of May and Flash does not and so you justify this to place him above Flash. OR... Bisu performs terribly and Flash performs astonishingly, but you say "Guys I cut it off at April 30th, and the WL finals just barely edge out the MSL Ro32 so Bisu gets it, sorry I can't count May". Now this bias can work with any player really, and while I know you try your most to be unbiased, you never know if at a subconscious level you will make a decision like this. Please take my advice into consideration and publicly make your decision soon. Thank you. I don't know why you guys make such a fuss of this. It used to be rare that we got the rank within the first week of the month. Of course he is not going to pretend that he didn't see the last games that were played, that would be absurd. | ||
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Crisium
United States1618 Posts
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Elroi
Sweden5599 Posts
On April 27 2011 10:12 Crisium wrote: If you're going to bring up precedent, then you know that sometimes that delayed PR's did not include the events of the delay. Usually they did, this is quite true. But since Flamewheel is new enough to not really yet have a delayed PR (nice work so far), he needs to be transparent about his policy so that we know. Oh ok, maybe you're right. But I have never seen that during my time here. It would be very strange, imo, to pretend that a certain player is the best for the moment if you know for sure that he isn't - it must make the work of the PR writer quite delicat. | ||
flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
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QuickStriker
United States3694 Posts
On April 27 2011 11:10 flamewheel wrote: I'll take into consideration the games played. What with the lack of games in April, there's a small sample size. Furthermore, it'd feel really odd writing about how players were a week ago when a week can make quite a bit of difference. That is quite true. What if (hypothetically) by the time the next writeup comes, Jaedong get smashed and completely raped by Reality??? Despite his impressive performance in MSL against Flash, if Reality proven himself to completely overcome JD 100%, that will definitely have some effect on JD's PR placement if on the other hand, Flash completely destroy his opponent in Ro16. Then people can easily say Flash had a bad day or something and etc. Even one day can make a huge overwhelming difference in Starcraft. (ie. s2, WL, 3 kill, MVP, etc) | ||
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FakePlasticLove
United States357 Posts
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On April 28 2011 03:57 FakePlasticLove wrote: Don't forget Mind. Currently on a 6 win streak. 8-2 in last games playing TvP and TvT exclusively I think Mind might be coming back from his 3 years mediocre slump. I surely hope so because I was rooting for him like crazy against Bisu because he has beaten Stork and boy he sure fulfilled it (which is ironic cuz he have beaten Stork to advance and just HAD to eliminate FBH  ) | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
Flash only benefits the most if he plays the best Starcraft and if you have a problem with the player who plays the best Starcraft being higher ranked then you are in the wrong place. The criteria for ranking has never changed very much from the very beginning either, except perhaps in the JWD era when emphasis was placed very heavily on "who had the highest win percentage this month," a useless ranking considering TLPD tells you all that and more. Flash benefited last season because nobody truly filled his shoes. Stork suddenly tanking out of both leagues in humiliating fashion, Fantasy unable to fully pull his game together until he faced Stork (and to be clear, I like Fanta more than TBLS, but it's the truth that in late December/early January he was looking very scrappy) by which point Flash's SL losses were starting to get pretty far in the rear-view mirror, Hydra struggling to achieve wins in the few ZvT's he played (to be precise, from December until late March his only ZvT wins were over Classic who is not a terribly strong player), and Jaedong losing to literally every single S-class opponent. But you'll notice that Flash was penalized the month he failed. (In fact I even argued that Calm should have been ahead of Flash as well because I didn't like seeing someone not in either league ahead of someone in both.) Some people complained then because the "most skilled" player was not ranked #1. Just like you they thought the process for PR is wrong. And so? What do you think makes you any different than them? Why should we take your opinion as more valid when some of those people explained their thoughts more thoroughly AND have contributed vastly more to the community? The reason you sound antagonistic is not because you disagree with the ranking but because you were making shitty posts. Considering how much time some of us spend discussing placements, do you think someone who comes along out of nowhere and makes sarcastic one-liners should be well received? This is why TLnet commandment #6 exists in the first place. Respect is earned. You can complain about that all you want, but that's the way it is. That's the way it has to be. | ||
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Taekwon
United States8155 Posts
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United States10328 Posts
On April 28 2011 13:09 Taekwon wrote: Best deserves a spot hmm... no? you usually appear to be an intelligent poster, but that's just blind fanboyism right there... | ||
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