EPTPower Rank 01/01/2011 - Page 53
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
I'd say if the break is 1-2 weeks then wait. If not, just make it now. Haha flash denied by 1 point. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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popzags
Poland604 Posts
 Violet It turned out that January was hard month for almost every decent BroodWar progamer: noone really deserved the top spot. Stork got destroyed twice; Jaedong almost dropped from the MSL against Protoss player; Fantasy's OSL final and semifinal showings were Dr Jekyll / Mr Hyde's case that almost cancel out each other. Yes, Bisu and Flash rocked the Proleague, but giving #1 spot to guys who are effectively dead in both individual tournaments would be irrelevant... Unless the guy is worth praises for something else. So, in the absence of oridinary heroes, the unusual one takes their place. Despite sad and puzzling news about his disease, Violet produced 6-2 score in January, beating Jaedong, Kal and Calm in the process. For a player whose health issuses most probably started couple weeks or even months before, it's a big accomplishment. Before this strange run, it was almost settled that Stats is the one to support KT Flash the most; not things aren't so clear; 2.  FantasyBefore OSL final, Fantasy wasn't even making into my top 5, but beating best PvT in the world on Protoss-favored maps works wonders. Even as a Stork fan, I must take off my hat before Jung Laden; his clutch and agressive play was as effective as Flash's, yet much more spectacular to watch. Actually, the last time Fantasy played TvP this way was back in 2009, so it's totally understandable that few people picked him as the OSL winner (and noone as clean 3-0 sweeper lol). Unfortunately, Fantasy's dark side took it's toll eariler in the January, and this is what really deprived him of #1 spot. He pulled off a failfest against Calm, winning that series only thanks to total, stubborn sloppiness of BrainfartZerg. What's more, he lost single games to likes of ggaemo and Jaehoon's magnitude, and even though those guy aren't as bad as the used to be, they shouldn't stand a chance against (future) OSL Champ, had we lived in oridinary world. That being said, I can't see Fantasy lower than #2, no matter what PL workhorses pull off... 3. Flash...and first of those workhorses is Flash. LYH's only problem is that his coach won't send him out first as frequently as SKT1 coaches does it with Bisu. So, in the end, he played relatively low number of games, and failed to score a single all-kill (with a little help of his friends, who snatched couple wins on their own). But yeah, at least Flash beat Bisu and a single defeat against Zero looks OK compared to amount of losses Bisu had. Still, despite Flash's play barely earns him #3, I admit it remains debatable in view of facts I mention below. 4. BisuSo, let's look at those facts: Bisu scored eleven consecutive wins, three all-kills and 6-0 sweep against Zerg. Unfortunately for KTY, he was pretty much tearing through punching bags and/or taking advantage of being sent as first SKT player. Losing to S-Class players like Flash and (three times!), Stork is a big problem to me; I really prefer to have two Terrans higher, especially since Fantasy had less chance to play in the Proleague because Bisu kept stealing kills from him. Props for beating Zero Bisu, but you don't belong anywhere but here. 5.  JaedongRumours about Jaedong's wrist issues seem to be true: he lost four games in January, and all of these were against Protoss players. But, as his most dangerous competition drops out, he somehow keeps advancing in the MSL and does normal Jaedonging when OZ teammates fail. So why he is only #5? Check through the games he lost and almost all ZvPs he won. Now ask yourself: are his wrists the only problem? Or maybe there is a bit of helpless, early-career ZvPer in it again? Sorry JD, S-Class player who almost induces a heartattack to me cannot climb higher. 6. StorkNow, try to evaluate this: Stork had both 9-win streak and 6-game loss streak this month. He beat Jaedong, Bisu and Sea during the former. Then he lost to Zero. Then he rolled 3-0 over Modesty, though Modesty played quite well. Then he lost to Horang2 and died horribly to Zero, in two consecutive games he played totally below his standards. Then was the OSL final and Stork got swept again, though it's more to Fantasy's credit than to Stork's sloppiness. Then he paid back to Fantasy in WL. How anyone can even try to find a good spot for DinoToss after all this shit? In a painful admittance act, I'll leave Stork here. Reasons: a) Kal sucks b) Modesty sucks c) Jaedong is not the same Protoss slayer ATM d) Stork isn't consistent player. e) I'm angry at him. 7. HydraIf it was still Lee-Ssang era, Hydra would probably sit at #3 spot for like third consecutive month and laugh from all who oppose. However, 13-5 in January during interregnum period is only worth seventh spot. I'm placing Hydra above Zero because, unlike Zero, he has a chance against Jaedong and he is able to concentrate while playing second-rate opponents. 8. ZeroZero is almost like a Zerg version of Stork: his January wins are trolling me to give him some more credit, but I'm still pretty sure he is going to fail in the end. ZvZ MSL semis with Jaedong in long perspective is the worst thing Zero could get after outplaying Stork. Yes, Zero took down Sea, Soulkey, Flash and Fantasy as well, but overall 8-6 record is nothing to be proud about. 9. BogusBogus lost only to Bisu, Jaedong and Flash, but he was merciless to many other good players like Hydra, Stats, Violet and Snow. His overall boring-but-solid play combined with rather decent TvP might be the only island of sensibleness in the sea of insanity January provided. I bet he won't last here too long, but in spite of Kal and Calm's fails, he really helps STX to roll. 10. TysonMBC Protoss surpassed Stats by tiny margin, but losing only two games (against Stork and Soulkey) while wining seven is a fine result. People hyped Jaehoon for improving his play, but for me, Tyson has more potential for becoming a consistent member of MBC lineup. Interestingly enough, he is also on 7 game winning streak against Terrans, so... please, Coach Park? | ||
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mnesthes
5433 Posts
On January 31 2011 23:31 Holgerius wrote: You mean 2? Because 1 point only allows him to equal JD's vP peak lolYa, that sucked; 1 point away from being #1 in literally all ELO categories. | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
After last night, I revise again to say Flash ahead of Bisu, but no other changes really... | ||
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okum
France5778 Posts
On January 31 2011 23:28 Lightwip wrote: I don't see anything but MSL games for the entire month. Probably just not in the calendar yet, but is the WL round over? I'd say if the break is 1-2 weeks then wait. If not, just make it now. Haha flash denied by 1 point. It's 2 weeks (WL starts over on the 12th). | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
This, plus the fact that Flash kicked some other top contenders while bisu got kicked by them and that Flash is safely floating far above the rest in terms of ELO, should mean that it doesn't really matter what happens tomorrow. All in all, Bisu shows that he is one of the best, he will beat most other progamers but have trouble against the S-class. Flash shows that he's still Flash. He will beat anyone most likely. Am I being too unreasonable? On January 31 2011 23:31 Holgerius wrote: Ya, that sucked; 1 point away from being #1 in literally all ELO categories. This is scary. Current elo and peak elo he's above all else in every category except peak vP 1 point under jaedong. Can't really comprehend it.. Edit: @popzags. One thing people seem to forget is that Proleague is also a league. There are three; MSL, OSL and Proleague. If you cannot place Flash or Bisu #1 on PR because they only tear up one league you surely can't put Fantasy #1 for tearing up one league. | ||
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
On January 31 2011 23:40 StylishVODs wrote: All in all, Bisu shows that he is one of the best, he will beat most other progamers but have trouble against the S-class. I disagree. He didn't get outplayed, he just got unlucky a few times against Stork, and made a silly mistake against Flash. Jaedong got outplayed against all the S-class he played, but Bisu not so much. | ||
tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
"Sometimes the definition of power changes" - FakeSteve | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
On the other hand, it's not like he'd won if he hadn't done it. As for the silly mistake against Flash, what was that silly mistake exaclty and would he have won otherwise? It seems like alot of players make silly mistakes against Flash lately. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
Bisu has been amazing lately, and his BvZ is without a doubt one of the absolutely strongest MUs at the moment, but those 0-4 stats vs Flash+Stork weren't due to bad luck. The word luck is thrown around way too much IMO. It is now February (TL time), where's the PR? -__- | ||
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
Also, he had a BO disadvantage in every game he lost to an S-class. In many cases, a huge one. As for the 2nd game vs Stork, that's the only one I'd say was played inadequately outside of a single mistake. | ||
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Yodo
Russian Federation327 Posts
Bisu: vs T: won vs Baby, Bogus | Lost to Flash. vs Z: won vs Zero (no loss) vs P: won vs Kal | 3x lost to Stork JD: vs T: won vs Baby, Bogus (also poor Midas) (no loss) vs Z: won vs Zero (no loss) vs P: won vs Snow (though it was 3-2) | lost to Stork, Violet Flash: vs T: won vs sKyHigh, Fantasy, Bogus, Sea, Light (no loss) vs Z: won vs Soulkey | lost to Zero vs P: won vs Snow, Bisu (no loss) Bisu doesn't look so hot in this comparison. | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
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qrs
United States3637 Posts
Flash is still an awesome player, of course, but it's his fault that he crashed out of both leagues in the early rounds and hasn't had a chance to prove himself. Until a few days ago, Stork was red-hot, and he's still been doing well in Pro-league, but crashing out of both leagues at once in spectacular 0-3 style shows a remarkable (if typical) unclutchness that should be reflected in the PR (imo): I'd drop him at least three or four places. Even if it's the only thing he's done this month, Fantasy deserves serious recognition for winning the most prestigious tournament in Starcraft. #3 at the lowest, imo. My top few would be. #1 Fantasy (OSL winner: trumps any other achievements, for the month)#2 Jaedong only member of the S-class still alive in a tournament, wins when it counts; JD vs Snow was an amazing demonstration of how, no matter what the situation is, he finds a way to pull through).#3 Bisu (playing really well, better record than Flash recently, as has been pointed out)#4 Flash#5 Stork (played well all through the month, but you can't ignore the double 0-3)#6 ZerO#7 Hydra#8 great (still in MSL, deserves a nod for that) | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
In any case, Bisu did show that he tears lesser players apart but have trouble against S-class. I don't see how that can be denied, he got 4 chances this month to show otherwise. how is his record better? 15-2 vs 12-1. Flash had more strong opponents. | ||
flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
On February 01 2011 00:14 Holgerius wrote: It is now February (TL time), where's the PR? -__- Hold your horses I have other things to deal with. It'll be out during EST February. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
2. The fact that he actually did it doesn't speak in Bisu's favour at all. Lots of people say this; Bisu has relatively questionable decisionmaking in his PvT. He's so good in his basics that it doesn't matter vs lesser players, but when he's up against a player of Flash's level those mistakes that he makes become very appearant. On February 01 2011 00:52 flamewheel wrote: Hold your horses I have other things to deal with. It'll be out during EST February. I WANT IT NAAAUUUUU!  Ok, I'll wait... | ||
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popzags
Poland604 Posts
On January 31 2011 23:40 StylishVODs wrote: @popzags. One thing people seem to forget is that Proleague is also a league. There are three; MSL, OSL and Proleague. If you cannot place Flash or Bisu #1 on PR because they only tear up one league you surely can't put Fantasy #1 for tearing up one league. Yes, but at this point, the difference is that individual leagues contain only players in top shape or those truly amazing (Jaedong), who tend to win even if they are playing sub-optimally to their standards. You cannot tell the same about player sent out by Proleague teams. The level of tension is also different; most often, players can afford losing PL games even if it means the defeat of entire team. In OSL/MSL, three or even two bad games and you are out, waiting for another season to start. | ||
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