• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 14:14
CET 20:14
KST 04:14
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners11Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting12[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11
Community News
[TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation7Weekly Cups (Nov 3-9): Clem Conquers in Canada4SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA8StarCraft, SC2, HotS, WC3, Returning to Blizzcon!45$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship7
StarCraft 2
General
[TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation Mech is the composition that needs teleportation t Weekly Cups (Nov 3-9): Clem Conquers in Canada Craziest Micro Moments Of All Time? SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA
Tourneys
Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest Tenacious Turtle Tussle Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection
Brood War
General
Back In The Day.... BW General Discussion FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle Terran 1:35 12 Gas Optimization BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] RO32 Group D - Sunday 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO32 Group C - Saturday 21:00 CET [ASL20] Grand Finals
Strategy
Current Meta PvZ map balance How to stay on top of macro? Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread EVE Corporation Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games? Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Canadian Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Dyadica Gospel – a Pulp No…
Hildegard
Coffee x Performance in Espo…
TrAiDoS
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1481 users

Power Rank 01/01/2011 - Page 51

Forum Index > Polls & Liquibet
Post a Reply
Prev 1 49 50 51 52 53 56 Next
infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
January 31 2011 10:00 GMT
#1001
On January 31 2011 18:58 flamewheel wrote:
Oh wait also 1000th comment snipe yay.

wtf i was waiting for that zzz


I'd say Flash not playing a lot of games will make it tougher to rank him high, but he hasn't really shown many severe weaknesses in his play. Stork's been figured out with preparation and Jaedong is being too greedy in general. Etc.
Translator:3
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
January 31 2011 10:40 GMT
#1002
What a hard PR.

Put Violet at #1 for taking on cancer.
Remember Violet.
DracoVolantus
Profile Joined February 2010
Poland231 Posts
January 31 2011 10:49 GMT
#1003
IT'S OVER ONE THOUSAND!

put 4 random quater-finalists zergs in top 5 this time, will be funny.
EX CATHEDRA!
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
January 31 2011 11:06 GMT
#1004
If stork had lost good games it would have been much easier to rank him. Fact is he got stopmped pretty hard 6 times in a row.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
January 31 2011 11:16 GMT
#1005
Getting 3-0'd twice shows that Stork has serious problems with preparation. That's difficult to argue.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
DracoVolantus
Profile Joined February 2010
Poland231 Posts
January 31 2011 11:17 GMT
#1006
I want to write 20kB about BoX Beast's, and Stork is the beast that plays with tactic he developed beforehand, just like fantasy, but it's not good enough for the race he plays, It's in the middle between art which is playing zerg and terran playing which is science. I want to write this since his Bo5 with JD. Key role plays 4th set in which he didn't ht. 5th doesn't matter.
EX CATHEDRA!
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
January 31 2011 11:18 GMT
#1007
It's been a long time since Bisu showed any sign of good preparation for BoXs though.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Goragoth
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
New Zealand1065 Posts
January 31 2011 11:23 GMT
#1008
If Flash does manage the 3-kill against MBC he should have a high spot 2-4 certainly, but not #1. If he drops a game he should be much lower, around 5-6, IMO.
Creator of LoLTool.
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
January 31 2011 11:29 GMT
#1009
On January 31 2011 19:40 TwoToneTerran wrote:
What a hard PR.

Put Violet at #1 for taking on cancer.

When he wins.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
January 31 2011 12:02 GMT
#1010
On January 31 2011 20:23 Goragoth wrote:
If Flash does manage the 3-kill against MBC he should have a high spot 2-4 certainly, but not #1. If he drops a game he should be much lower, around 5-6, IMO.

I have a hard time taking whatever you say seriously after reading:

Lol, Flash literally does the same thing every TvT and every Terran let's him get away with it like a complete dumbass. He figures out what he needs to do to get 1 more expo than his opponent and then wins because he has more resources.


-__-
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Goragoth
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
New Zealand1065 Posts
January 31 2011 12:08 GMT
#1011
On January 31 2011 21:02 Holgerius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2011 20:23 Goragoth wrote:
If Flash does manage the 3-kill against MBC he should have a high spot 2-4 certainly, but not #1. If he drops a game he should be much lower, around 5-6, IMO.

I have a hard time taking whatever you say seriously after reading:

Show nested quote +
Lol, Flash literally does the same thing every TvT and every Terran let's him get away with it like a complete dumbass. He figures out what he needs to do to get 1 more expo than his opponent and then wins because he has more resources.


-__-

You do realize that this is a compliment to Flash, right? He has some of the best insight into the strategy part of RTS of any pro ever. Combined with his great mechanics and game sense it is the one thing that gives him the kind of edge that let him become bonjwa.
Creator of LoLTool.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
January 31 2011 12:15 GMT
#1012
You are calling all the other Terran progamers dumbasses, which is just plain fucking ridiculous.

Also Flash does not do the same thing in every TvT.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Goragoth
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
New Zealand1065 Posts
January 31 2011 12:21 GMT
#1013
On January 31 2011 21:15 Holgerius wrote:
You are calling all the other Terran progamers dumbasses, which is just plain fucking ridiculous.

Also Flash does not do the same thing in every TvT.

It's not just the Terrans, the same principal applies to the other match-ups too, it's just a little less apparent because they aren't mirrors. But yeah, most pros play exactly like what they are: teenagers that practice the same stuff over and over (starting BOs, cute tactics) but don't have a deep understanding of what it takes to win a long macro game. Flash plays like someone with a brain twice his age but the speed of a teenager. That's why he's bonjwa (IMO).
Creator of LoLTool.
HopLight
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden999 Posts
January 31 2011 12:23 GMT
#1014
I don't see why people keep saying Bisu's record in WL is so much better (opponents notwithstanding) 15-2 is about the same as 9-1 (pending 12-1/11-2). On top of that Bisu lost to Flash giving a hint of who is the stronger player. Really its about whether he gets a 3 kill tonight or not, if not I can see nr 2. (still a stretch). But if he wins it's pretty clear IMO.
okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5778 Posts
January 31 2011 12:34 GMT
#1015
Actually Flash's wrist problem hasn't made him worse. It just makes him decide to end his games faster.
Flash fan before it was cool | Coiner of "jangbang"
Mooncat
Profile Joined October 2007
Germany1228 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-31 12:36:14
January 31 2011 12:34 GMT
#1016
Flash #1 imho. He manhandled MBC.

Edit: Btw., is his ELO going over 2400 again?

"[Lee Young Ho] With this victory, you’ve risen to Bonjwa status."
okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5778 Posts
January 31 2011 12:37 GMT
#1017
On January 31 2011 21:34 Mooncat wrote:
Flash #1 imho. He manhandled MBC.

Edit: Btw., is his ELO going over 2400 again?

Don't think so. If he hadn't lost to Zero. He'll get a new TvP peak, however.
Flash fan before it was cool | Coiner of "jangbang"
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
January 31 2011 12:38 GMT
#1018
On January 31 2011 21:21 Goragoth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2011 21:15 Holgerius wrote:
You are calling all the other Terran progamers dumbasses, which is just plain fucking ridiculous.

Also Flash does not do the same thing in every TvT.

It's not just the Terrans, the same principal applies to the other match-ups too, it's just a little less apparent because they aren't mirrors. But yeah, most pros play exactly like what they are: teenagers that practice the same stuff over and over (starting BOs, cute tactics) but don't have a deep understanding of what it takes to win a long macro game. Flash plays like someone with a brain twice his age but the speed of a teenager. That's why he's bonjwa (IMO).

Which is just a horribly ignorant idea.

Flash is looking absolutely amazing! I think it's very fair to say that this man would've all-killed ACE for example if he had gotten the chance to (like Bisu).

And by the way, if I ever see someone say that Flash is boring/just turtles I'll go insane. Damn that was so awesome! :D His BOs are so fantastic.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7229 Posts
January 31 2011 12:39 GMT
#1019
Flash over Bisu easily now. Better record and better opponents list, while both look dominant in proleague.
日本語が分かりますか
Musou
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
1375 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-31 12:41:29
January 31 2011 12:39 GMT
#1020
On January 31 2011 21:37 okum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2011 21:34 Mooncat wrote:
Flash #1 imho. He manhandled MBC.

Edit: Btw., is his ELO going over 2400 again?

Don't think so. If he hadn't lost to Zero. He'll get a new TvP peak, however.


He should be very close, if not just making it. I have a hard time not seeing Flash at #1 after + Show Spoiler +
this 3-kill. Unlike Bisu, he's been extremely clutch cleaning up for his team and his only loss was when it didn't matter (Action cleaned up). He just crushed Sea after Sea played 2 amazing games against Action and Stats, and completely steamrolled Light and Jaehoon who have been doing great.
Prev 1 49 50 51 52 53 56 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 3h 46m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
White-Ra 232
UpATreeSC 223
IndyStarCraft 16
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 2062
Rain 1545
Horang2 703
Shuttle 476
Rock 42
Barracks 35
hero 29
Aegong 22
Killer 12
ivOry 9
Dota 2
Gorgc4837
qojqva2750
Dendi1193
Fuzer 207
LuMiX1
League of Legends
rGuardiaN44
Counter-Strike
pashabiceps889
Foxcn358
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King62
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu204
Other Games
Beastyqt553
Grubby416
DeMusliM397
Sick209
QueenE63
C9.Mang058
Trikslyr37
BRAT_OK 30
MindelVK8
fpsfer 1
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV33
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• blackmanpl 26
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• imaqtpie1884
• TFBlade1222
Other Games
• WagamamaTV383
• Shiphtur245
Upcoming Events
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
3h 46m
The PondCast
14h 46m
RSL Revival
14h 46m
Solar vs Zoun
MaxPax vs Bunny
Kung Fu Cup
16h 46m
ByuN vs ShoWTimE
Classic vs Cure
Reynor vs TBD
WardiTV Korean Royale
16h 46m
PiGosaur Monday
1d 5h
RSL Revival
1d 14h
Classic vs Creator
Cure vs TriGGeR
Kung Fu Cup
1d 16h
herO vs TBD
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
herO vs Gerald
ByuN vs SHIN
[ Show More ]
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
IPSL
2 days
ZZZero vs rasowy
Napoleon vs KameZerg
BSL 21
3 days
Tarson vs Julia
Doodle vs OldBoy
eOnzErG vs WolFix
StRyKeR vs Aeternum
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Reynor vs sOs
Maru vs Ryung
Kung Fu Cup
3 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
3 days
BSL 21
4 days
JDConan vs Semih
Dragon vs Dienmax
Tech vs NewOcean
TerrOr vs Artosis
IPSL
4 days
Dewalt vs WolFix
eOnzErG vs Bonyth
Replay Cast
4 days
Wardi Open
4 days
Monday Night Weeklies
4 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
5 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-11-07
Stellar Fest: Constellation Cup
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual

Upcoming

SLON Tour Season 2
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
RSL Revival: Season 3
META Madness #9
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.