EPTIs that win vs Jaehoon enough to break JDs ELO peak vs P?
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Holgerius
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Is that win vs Jaehoon enough to break JDs ELO peak vs P? | ||
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Malinor
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Mooncat
Germany1228 Posts
On January 31 2011 21:41 Holgerius wrote: No need for spoiler tags in this thread yo. Is that win vs Jaehoon enough to break JDs ELO peak vs P? Hmm... Jaehoon's vs T ELO is below 2.1k, so I don't think he's worth the 5 points needed to surpass JD's vsP ELO peak. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On January 31 2011 21:44 Mooncat wrote: Hmm... Jaehoon's vs T ELO is below 2.1k, so I don't think he's worth the 5 points needed to surpass JD's vsP ELO peak. Probably not. He's getting really close though.  | ||
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Musou
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On January 31 2011 21:41 Holgerius wrote: No need for spoiler tags in this thread yo. Is that win vs Jaehoon enough to break JDs ELO peak vs P? I think it may be enough to tie it. I'm not sure if he'll gain enough to break it. | ||
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StylishVODs
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okum
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fallingdream
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Goragoth
New Zealand1065 Posts
On January 31 2011 21:38 Holgerius wrote: Which is just a horribly ignorant idea. Flash is looking absolutely amazing! I think it's very fair to say that this man would've all-killed ACE for example if he had gotten the chance to (like Bisu). And by the way, if I ever see someone say that Flash is boring/just turtles I'll go insane. Damn that was so awesome! :D His BOs are so fantastic. Please explain how it is ignorant? Seriously, his mechanics are about par with any of the other top players, the reason his win rate is so high is his mental understanding of the game. His game sense and timing are also impeccable, which helps, but isn't the sole reason for his domination. It's important to note that he doesn't simply out-expand his opponent, it requires careful balance to take more resources without over-extending and getting crushed. In fact in 3 recent TvTs (vs Fantasy, SkyHigh and now Sea) he started of behind in expansions but carefully controlled the game to finally take a larger share of the resources. His initial tank positioning in his game against Sea was crucial in dictating how the map would be split, leading to his win. If Flash played more like he did in his series against MBC today I would actually be a fan of his. Pity he doesn't do this sort of thing more often. Perhaps we'll see a new (old?) side of Flash now that he has wrist problems. | ||
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mnesthes
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On January 31 2011 21:58 Goragoth wrote: Please explain how it is ignorant? Seriously, his mechanics are about par with any of the other top players, the reason his win rate is so high is his mental understanding of the game. His game sense and timing are also impeccable, which helps, but isn't the sole reason for his domination. It's important to note that he doesn't simply out-expand his opponent, it requires careful balance to take more resources without over-extending and getting crushed. In fact in 3 recent TvTs (vs Fantasy, SkyHigh and now Sea) he started of behind in expansions but carefully controlled the game to finally take a larger share of the resources. His initial tank positioning in his game against Sea was crucial in dictating how the map would be split, leading to his win. If Flash played more like he did in his series against MBC today I would actually be a fan of his. Pity he doesn't do this sort of thing more often. Perhaps we'll see a new (old?) side of Flash now that he has wrist problems. The idea that Flash is a genius is not what's bad, the idea that all the other progamers are dumbasses without a deep understanding of the game is. I absolutely hate when people spurt out that. | ||
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Musou
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On January 31 2011 21:58 Goragoth wrote: Please explain how it is ignorant? Seriously, his mechanics are about par with any of the other top players, the reason his win rate is so high is his mental understanding of the game. His game sense and timing are also impeccable, which helps, but isn't the sole reason for his domination. It's important to note that he doesn't simply out-expand his opponent, it requires careful balance to take more resources without over-extending and getting crushed. In fact in 3 recent TvTs (vs Fantasy, SkyHigh and now Sea) he started of behind in expansions but carefully controlled the game to finally take a larger share of the resources. His initial tank positioning in his game against Sea was crucial in dictating how the map would be split, leading to his win. If Flash played more like he did in his series against MBC today I would actually be a fan of his. Pity he doesn't do this sort of thing more often. Perhaps we'll see a new (old?) side of Flash now that he has wrist problems. It's the little things that add up which Flash does that wins him games. It's not as simple as "He takes 1 more base than his opponent and wins on resources." His unit positioning normally allows him to trade resources at a positive ratio. It's rare that he loses an engagement in terms of resources, unless he has a large enough lead that he's going to do a death push and win or free up supply for BCs. His game sense allows him to intercept drops and deny opponents expansions. Without that game sense he'd just be an average Terran. Also, the principle actually doesn't apply at all in the other matchups. While Flash does win often by having more bases than his Zerg and Protoss opponents, he's also had games where he turtles hardcore and simply forces his opponent to starve himself out while relying on the efficiency of mech as well as constantly denying expansions if he plays bio in TvZ. In TvP, he's won too many games to count with a variety of styles, from outexpanding to saving up for a 200/200 2-1 mech death push and simultaneously destroying 3 or more expos all at once to his variety of timing attacks like he showcased today. TL;DR: While he does tend to get an advantage in expansions in TvT and ride that advantage until he wins, that's really not the only thing he does, and it's really not the only thing he does in the other matchups. | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
On January 31 2011 21:38 Holgerius wrote: Flash is looking absolutely amazing! I think it's very fair to say that this man would've all-killed ACE for example if he had gotten the chance to (like Bisu). Yeah, you cannot just simply look at the records and say blah have more wins than blah you have to look at the games and at the quality of the opponents. Seriously, Flash is 12-1 this month. Has anyone else made something so spectacular that it overshadows a years worth of bonjwa mode? Last month it was fine, but this month he is playing awesome. If we can't put Flash at #1 when he's playing at his peak during his bonjwa era then something is wrong. He's about to enter 2400 ELO again fyi. | ||
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moopie
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
On January 31 2011 21:45 Holgerius wrote: Probably not. He's getting really close though. Let's update and check. | ||
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
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mnesthes
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On January 31 2011 21:51 okum wrote: It's February tomorrow. You could wait until Bisu and Jaedong all-kill tomorrow, if that makes things easier... or harder  | ||
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
On January 31 2011 21:51 okum wrote: You could wait until Bisu and Jaedong all-kill tomorrow, if that makes things easier... or harder Also thankfully (or maybe not?) those games are not in January. Hah! Did I seriously get ninja'd out of my triple  | ||
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
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okum
France5778 Posts
This has never been a problem in the past. Seriously though, it would make sense to wait for tomorrow's games due to the upcoming break. | ||
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