EPTHow come Bisu has better record than Flash ?
Bisu: 79% winrate and 50% vs descent players.
Flash: 91% winrate, and 88% vs descent players.
Yep, Bisu is good vs mid-level players. Actually, I'm even not sure about Bisu > Stork.
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Yodo
Russian Federation327 Posts
How come Bisu has better record than Flash ? Bisu: 79% winrate and 50% vs descent players. Flash: 91% winrate, and 88% vs descent players. Yep, Bisu is good vs mid-level players. Actually, I'm even not sure about Bisu > Stork. | ||
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DracoVolantus
Poland231 Posts
Elo says: 1.  Flash 2.  Bisu 3.  Jaedong 4. Stork 5. FantasyAs it should. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
 He's looking amazing, especially in PvZ. | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
On February 01 2011 00:56 popzags wrote: Yes, but at this point, the difference is that individual leagues contain only players in top shape or those truly amazing (Jaedong), who tend to win even if they are playing sub-optimally to their standards. You cannot tell the same about player sent out by Proleague teams. The level of tension is also different; most often, players can afford losing PL games even if it means the defeat of entire team. In OSL/MSL, three or even two bad games and you are out, waiting for another season to start. usually yes, but fantasys run wasn't THAT impressive. The only top player was stork. Anyway it just feel really wierd to put fantasy at the top. He is just not very top material right now. He's really good at preparing Bo5's but he hasn't got the complete package. Imagine next PR stating that Fantasy is on top. He is the best? He is the most fearsome? He is the hottest? He fall short in every of those aspects imo. | ||
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Musoeun
United States4324 Posts
On February 01 2011 00:52 flamewheel wrote: Hold your horses I have other things to deal with. It'll be out during EST February. Well that only gives you 28 days, flamewheel, you better be careful.  | ||
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Yodo
Russian Federation327 Posts
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Nick_54
United States2230 Posts
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hitthat
Poland2267 Posts
On February 01 2011 01:09 StylishVODs wrote: He is the best? He is the most fearsome? He is the hottest? He fall short in every of those aspects imo. Is he the best? No, rather not. Is he the most fearsome? Rather not, if I was one of the top players, i would be scared like hell to play against him, but JD and Flash are scarrier IMO. Is he the hottest? YES, I'm saying this with full responsibility. Since his play against ggplay he is and always was the hottest terran and player on the earth, I always say that. Now you can eat me alive fanboys. | ||
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popzags
Poland604 Posts
On February 01 2011 01:09 StylishVODs wrote: usually yes, but fantasys run wasn't THAT impressive. The only top player was stork. Anyway it just feel really wierd to put fantasy at the top. He is just not very top material right now. He's really good at preparing Bo5's but he hasn't got the complete package. Imagine next PR stating that Fantasy is on top. He is the best? He is the most fearsome? He is the hottest? He fall short in every of those aspects imo. Well, I did not place Fantasy on top. Noone deserved the top IMO, so I put Violet there just like Fake Steve did with Sea. It could be Manifesto7 or Day[9] instead, the trick is still the same: to stress that one-player 100% domination on all fronts does not exist. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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UrASofty
Canada772 Posts
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hitthat
Poland2267 Posts
On February 01 2011 01:29 Holgerius wrote: Makes me wonder how you define hot. As a player, whose games are the best to watching offcourse  | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On February 01 2011 01:31 hitthat wrote: As a player, whose games are the best to watching offcourse Ok. That's a highly subjective statement though. | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
On February 01 2011 01:28 popzags wrote: Well, I did not place Fantasy on top. Noone deserved the top IMO, so I put Violet there just like Fake Steve did with Sea. It could be Manifesto7 or Day[9] instead, the trick is still the same: to stress that one-player 100% domination on all fronts does not exist. I dont know.. I don't feel that that trick is something that works. I'd rather write something about it than use a trick like that because underneath there will still be a ranking with a player on top of the others... | ||
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mnesthes
5433 Posts
Before tonight, it was quite a challenge to find the one truly worthy of #1. With each candidate carrying so many accolades, this PR should be decided on who had less mistakes. But after tonight, I've felt much more comfortable to place Flash on top. Despite less wins than Bisu and no all-kill whatsoever, Flash's list of victims was more impressive, including, but not limited to Bisu himself. Rolster has also proved they do not always need Flash to win, but when times of need come Flash is still KT's guardian angel. Bisu has slightly lagged behind, neither because of the lack of impression in his wins (sending Z against Bisu = autoloss duh), nor the caliber of his opponents, but because of his losses. All of Bisu's losses this month only came at the hands of Flash and Stork, but it's still important to look at the quality of the games nonetheless. Bisu got dissected by Stork and against Flash it was his game to lose, yet still allowed himself to be blinded by greed. It's quite mind-boggling to understand why Bisu couldn't elevate his play against the greater players like he did against the lesser ones, rather contently agreeing to play on their terms, even in a winning situation (e.g. vs. Flash). #3 & #4: Fantasy and Jaedong, respectively. Had Fantasy not won the OSL I'd never even have to make this choice. But he won (I have to say it was a convincing victory, if not a crushing one), and ONLY because he won. Because Fantasy's performance outside the individual league area has been atrocious, with losses to... ggaemo, and Jaehoon. Oh and don't even make me mention Calm, I was just trying to make Fantasy look spotless in the SL. Jaedong is #4 but it's only a very slight difference, because Jaedong hasn't won the MSL yet (but then again it's a ZZZZ Ro4, and zzzz indeed). And the Tyrant also has holes in his seemingly invincible ZvP armor that he is yet to find a remedy for, so I am not yet certain to feel him as strong.#5: Stork I feel very sad for him because he had built almost everything only to have them completely fall apart in just a matter of days. Fortunately for Stork, he has moved on rather quickly and got a small revenge against Fantasy only a day after the disappointing OSL series, also scoring a valuable victory for Khan against Proleague top dog SKT. Stork has also stated in his interview that he had felt more mature and not been as shaken as people thought. I guess we have no other choice in this matter but to believe the Commander himself. #6: Hydra Raped Calm in the MSL, nailed Stars in the Ace game, and an exceptional performance as Effort's spiritual successor from the beginning of the month up to this point, any questions? #7: Snow He had a 3-kill against Stars and provided a more than impressive performance against Jaedong in a series that most people thought beforehand would be a walk-in-the-park for LJD (tbh he had become a Ro32 seed for next MSL already). Of course, some silly losses here and there to Bogus and Flying might hurt his credentials but Snow could become the future of Protoss if he could carry on his performance. #8: Stats Stats had the honor of drawing first blood in SWL, as in the first win as well as the first all-kill. He is also an instrumental part in KT's undefeated run so far, contributing a total of 7 wins, only second to Flash himself. However he is also going through a rough patch recently with losses to Bogus and Sea, so #8 to hope for a better performance next month. #9 & #10: I ran out of players. HONORABLE MENTION: This goes to Violet and your battle against leukemia. Words can't describe how important a part you are to KT, and how many of their victories you had played a vital role. Actually giving you a ranking would downplay both the achievements of yourself and the player whose place you stand in his place, so I'll give Violet an honorable mention and hope he quickly recovers to get the KT Roller Coaster rolling smoothly again. | ||
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SkelA
Macedonia13032 Posts
And Bisu always the 2nd spot for SKT and gets to AK Ace, FOX and STX who are terrible in winners league. Only notable wins are against Zero, Calm ( heh BvZ ) and slumping Kal. Get destroyed by Stork and Flash. My top 4 for this month would be JD, Stork, Fantasy and Flash (not in that order ) and Bisu coming in 5th. | ||
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
On February 01 2011 01:04 Holgerius wrote: Let's not go too far with our Bisu criticism here. He's looking amazing, especially in PvZ. Yeah , but PvZ is 1/3 the game . In my eyes he is an underdog against top level TvPers such as Flash , Fantasy , Sea and his PvP is also questionable against top players showned in his 0 - 3 against Stork and loses to Kal . If anything Flash should be # 1 . After that you can rank whoever you like and i can't tell which one of the Stork/Bisu/Fantasy/Jaedong is more deserving . Even Hydra has showned that he is up there . | ||
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NovaTheFeared
United States7222 Posts
On February 01 2011 01:58 SkelA wrote: How can you put Stork lower than #3 place for this month is out of my mind. Yes he got outplayed in the final and lost badly to zero ( not so bad considering zero is the 2nd best zerg if you exclude zvz ). He beat JD, Bisu x3, Fantasy and Hydra + Jaehoon who are owning everyone(almost) lately. Owned everyone in PL and he got less games because he always was played as Ace for KHAN . And Bisu always the 2nd spot for SKT and gets to AK Ace, FOX and STX who are terrible in winners league. Only notable wins are against Zero, Calm ( heh BvZ ) and slumping Kal. Get destroyed by Stork and Flash. My top 4 for this month would be JD, Stork, Fantasy and Flash (not in that order ) and Bisu coming in 5th. If your ranking puts a lot of emphasis on individual leagues it's easy to see why Stork is bumped down for a lot of people: he crapped his pants in MSL/OSL this past week. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On February 01 2011 02:27 NovaTheFeared wrote: If your ranking puts a lot of emphasis on individual leagues it's easy to see why Stork is bumped down for a lot of people: he crapped his pants in MSL/OSL this past week. So did Bisu, and Flash didn't even get to play a single Starleague game this month. | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
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