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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
On December 22 2010 23:23 flamewheel wrote: My life is going to be hell next month writing this. bohaha yes, better look for fanboy-proof hideout But even though I hate Shine with passion I think it is pretty obvious that the way things look atm no one could complain if he would get ranked higher than Flash. | ||
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
On December 23 2010 04:07 Fenrax wrote: But even though I hate Shine with passion I think it is pretty obvious that the way things look atm no one could complain if he would get ranked higher than Flash. I'd actually agree with this. Back when Bisu was at #1 then got 2-0'd in both leagues(even though it was in the ToTM era), he dropped all the way down to #5. Not quite as bad here, but dropping both leagues is quite significant. | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5617 Posts
On December 23 2010 02:26 blade55555 wrote: No even if paralyze beats Kal and flash is in he should not be #1 next month. Maybe if the other top players got abducted by aliens or the CIA... | ||
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Musoeun
United States4324 Posts
On December 23 2010 02:11 Lightwip wrote: 1. Bisu 2. Jaedong 3. Shine 4. Stork 5. Fantasy 6. Flash 7. Hyuk 8. Ssak 9. Classic 10. Kal ezpz But seriously, I don't think you can give Flash the 'benefit of the doubt' anymore. Losing 1 SL can be a fluke, losing 2 means there's something wrong. Bisu over Shine? Really? The fact that you've got Bisu #1 is really almost an incidental complaint (even though it's totally ridiculous) compared to that. I realize I'm a big Shine fanboy, but seriously here. | ||
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Malinor
Germany4759 Posts
If Jaedong survives his OSL group he is a given at #1. The Dong in 2 leagues plus a very solid SPL record (That we consider 16-5 bad says quite a lot actually, but that's probably because of those 3 ace-game losses) can only be #1 after what happened to Flash. Flash himself can only stay first, if the OSL miracle happens and all of the other guys mess up at some point. Going 1-4 in those two groups is simply not worthy of a number #1, even if he is a reigning Bonjwa. To sum up, at this point I can see literally everyone in the Top6 claim #1 somehow (I'm not up to date on Fantasy, but if he survives both leagues, why not). Bisu #1 would push it too far though, he is good, but he is not even in the OSL and to make up for that it needs more than brilliant SPL performances. In my opinion, he has to convincingly dominate his MSL group to get into top3. Anyway, Flamewheel will be rightfully burned for his next ranking, 'cause there is probablly no way to get it right and we all like to rage  On a related note, I found this months ranking from 1-8 completely accurate (and very well written, with good reasoning), and I don't care about 6-10 anyway. | ||
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
1. Jaedong - Still really, really good despite some key losses. 2. Bisu - PL beast, definitely here if he advances out of his MSL group. If not, down 2-3. 3. Flash - dropping both leagues is BAD. Especially to rookies and Hyuk. 4. Shine - Wtf why is he so good? 5. Stork - He's really good too, but he lost to Shine 6. Fantasy - Quite a bad hiccup. 7. Kal - Good, but not amazing. 8. Hydra - Still a solid player. 9. Leta - Pretty good in PL. 10. Light - who else is decent? | ||
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On December 23 2010 07:15 Lightwip wrote: That was a fanboyish PR. I think it would be more like this. 1. Jaedong - Still really, really good despite some key losses. 2. Bisu - PL beast, definitely here if he advances out of his MSL group. If not, down 2-3. 3. Flash - dropping both leagues is BAD. Especially to rookies and Hyuk. 4. Shine - Wtf why is he so good? 5. Stork - He's really good too, but he lost to Shine 6. Fantasy - Quite a bad hiccup. 7. Kal - Good, but not amazing. 8. Hydra - Still a solid player. 9. Leta - Pretty good in PL. 10. Light - who else is decent? It's still obviously the work of a Bisu fanboy. | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
Flash isn't out yet, right? If Paralyze beats Kal we get a tie-breaker and while these aren't the best maps for a Terran to make it on a tie-breaker vs two good PvT players, this is also Flash, "slump" or no. If a tie-breaker does happen, I'll bet on Flash to make it. Jaedong actually could conceivably drop also. If he loses to Hogil he's out. If he beats Hogil he's in a tie-breaker vs Hiya and Calm (top 2 advancing). His chances are favorable to make it to the Ro8, but not guaranteed. I'll bet he makes it regardless. Bisu at #1? You better hope he decimates his MSL group, otherwise there's No. Fucking. Way. Shine retains a top 5 spot, possibly moving up. Stork retains a high spot, depending a bit on MSL performance. Fantasy could yet turn this month around with a strong showing in MSL. I like Light and he's produced wins over Flash and JD this month, but I expect a drop given that I have little faith in him escaping his MSL group. Stork will decimate him and then regardless of how shy vs roro turns out, Light will have to play twice vs Protoss, at least once vs Stork. Kal... I think he'll advance in at least one league and maybe keep a PR spot but I expect him to drop in rank. If he doesn't advance, goodbye. And Sea, goodbye. If Hydra passes his MSL group, I expect to see him retain a position. The Contenders: A good showing in MSL would bring Calm back into the picture. As of now, I'm leaning towards CBNC minimum. Leta is on a monster tear right now and deserves a PR spot. 10 game win streak right now. Prevailing in his MSL group (IMO the group of death) would shoot him up the ranks. Roro: prevailing in MSL could earn a low rank. Action: keep an eye on him for the month's remainder. Let's see if Modesty can continue his current streak of 7 wins. Great (the final member of the group of death along with Fantasy, Leta and Soulkey) has turned in some proleague wins lately. But now I'm starting to really stretch for contenders. Hard month but not beyond reason... | ||
swanized
Canada2480 Posts
On December 23 2010 07:33 Mindcrime wrote: It's still obviously the work of a Bisu fanboy. yeah this is so biased 1.Zero 2.Soulkey 3.Hon_sin 4.Really 5.Free 6.Crazy-hydra 7.flying 8.Jaedong | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
On December 23 2010 05:34 Elroi wrote: Maybe if the other top players got abducted by aliens or the CIA... Wikileaks will show us the truth. | ||
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
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Musoeun
United States4324 Posts
 Flash - for all I'd not like to see him here based on current record, if he survives the OSL group and MSL Group H turns into a circus-style massive screw-up, and Jaedong loses another ace match (or loses to HoGiL), Flash is good enough he still has to be considered. Jaedong - while he's not automatic in ace matches anymore, he's through the MSL Ro16, looks to advance in the OSL with what should be an easy game against HoGiL and then a tiebreaker against HiyA and Calm. This all makes him the frontrunner for #1 at the moment. Of course, if he loses to HoGiL, or messes up in the tiebreaker, he probably drops from #2 instead of climbing.Shine - based purely on recent performance - minus a wtf game against Mind - Shine looks like a very good #1 candidate - maybe even the best.Also in the running:  Bisu - his individual leagues so far are, uh, less than impressive. He's losing a little more in PL than he was. But he's still very good, and you might be able to make an argument in a week or so, depending on other results.Kal - is probably the best Protoss right now, but his proleague record is downright distressing.Stork - is also probably the best Protoss right now, and is finally getting out of his proleague funk, and is doing pretty okay in both leagues (pending tonight's MSL group, of course).Fantasy - polar opposite of Bisu, his league results are pretty shiny while his proleague results are mediocre, not to say streaky. Could be completely out of consideration if he can't find his groove in an MSL group with two Zergs and Leta.Honorable mentions: Leta and Hydra are both holding up 8-0 records in PL R2 and have done decently-ish in the leagues as well. Also in the "Proleague heros", I really think Bogus deserves some recognition as well. I also don't know what to make of Light - the MSL group will tell a lot.Possible rank, at this moment: 1. Jaedong 2. Flash 3. Shine 4. Kal 5. Stork 6. Bisu 7. fantasy 8. Leta 9. Hydra 10. Light Crucial things: Flash vs Paralyze + tiebreakers; MSL group D (tonight) MSL group G (Bisu, Kal, Shine); Jaedong vs HoGiL + tiebreakers; MSL group C (fantasy, Leta, Soulkey). | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
1. Jaedong 2. Shine 3. Bisu 4. Flash 5. Stork ??? | ||
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
A lot right now is pending individual league results, especially for Flash who is depending on newbie Paralyze to beat Kal, the #2 PvP player in the world behind one match wonder Horang2. (Kal is #3 PvP ELO and #2 PvP ELO is Bisu who has a losing record vs Kal both lifetime and recently.) Ain't it a hoot that Flash fans have to root for a boy from SKT1? ...And for Bisu. Come to think of it, his group in MSL (H) may be the group of death with Really as the weakest opponent... And by combining these two considerations, a lot is up in the air for Kal, who is involved in both of these, but unlike Flash and Bisu, he doesn't have strong proleague results to his name right now. Edit: For the record, as much as I like to think that Power Rank should be about skill rather than just plain old results, I don't think anyone not qualified for either league should be ahead of players qualified for both leagues without some seriously, seriously compelling arguments. Dropping individual league games has always mattered more to me than some random proleague loss, even if Flash's results have most likely been a fluke. I can see someone in only one league being ahead of players in both leagues depending on quality of matches (one must make some allowances for randomness, difficulty of groups, etc.), but I can't see putting zero over two. Potentially, this can mean JD, Shine, Stork, Kal, Calm and Fantasy ahead of Flash and Bisu. Quite the stunner, eh? | ||
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]343[
United States10328 Posts
flash shine stork bisu hydra leta fantasy kal light depends on indiv league results though, but that's what it's looking like atm | ||
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kamizushi
Canada52 Posts
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corumjhaelen
France6884 Posts
I really like my order. Maybe Flash and Bisu a bit lower. But hey, the month is not over ! | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
And if Bisu fails his group then I can't see him ahead of Flash, so... hold your horses. | ||
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
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