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Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
August 02 2010 08:14 GMT
#121
(Z)EffOrt is horrible vs mech unless he has a huge lead and being behind on FS trying to transition from bio into mech is vastly different to a mech turtle strat on polaris rhapsody. (Z)ZerO did really well and the only other zerg that might've done better late game is (Z)Action after his game vs (T)Leta on the same map. (T)Flash should still be #1 if he was in previous months, other than that the ranking seems accurate.
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Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
August 02 2010 08:20 GMT
#122
On August 02 2010 11:40 MuffinDude wrote:
Stork constantly underrated as usual. No surprise.


Stork's been having a serious problem attaining results. Which is why he's "underrated." July has been the first month since... geez, since February that Stork has put out a performance worthy of his name.
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
Scaramanga
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia8092 Posts
August 02 2010 08:21 GMT
#123
"But then I think to myself, what if Effort were playing in this position and not Zero? Well the answer is, and was, that Effort would win (see their clash on Fighting Spirit). Effort has Flashes number and knows how to defeat his late-game turtle style, and given Jaedongs history no doubt he will have taken note and incorporated that into his repertoire."

What bullshit is this? Flash got dropped because you thought in that particular game effort would have won?
How do you know effort would have had a build that would have been just as effective as the one on fighting spirit? How don't you know flash wouldn't have smashed effort like he did first two games of the osl finals? You say that if effort was in zeros position he would have won, but progamers don't just play to the maps, they arn't just going to do the same shit over again. Flash would have had a different build that has been made for the player he's against, so saying effort would have beaten flash hence flash is no.2 is really frustrating. Just fyi i dont think flash deserves to be no.1, i just think the reason you give isn't worthy

Other than that awesome powerrank
Loda talked about the fun counter, it's AdmiralBulldog on his natures prophet
Sprouter
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1724 Posts
August 02 2010 08:42 GMT
#124
pretty good PR for this month. I suspect Effort will fall several places next month. I can see Bisu leapfrogging a bunch of people if he fixes his vT.

I lol at flash fanboy QQ
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
August 02 2010 08:55 GMT
#125
On August 02 2010 17:21 Scaramanga wrote:
"But then I think to myself, what if Effort were playing in this position and not Zero? Well the answer is, and was, that Effort would win (see their clash on Fighting Spirit). Effort has Flashes number and knows how to defeat his late-game turtle style, and given Jaedongs history no doubt he will have taken note and incorporated that into his repertoire."

What bullshit is this? Flash got dropped because you thought in that particular game effort would have won?
How do you know effort would have had a build that would have been just as effective as the one on fighting spirit? How don't you know flash wouldn't have smashed effort like he did first two games of the osl finals? You say that if effort was in zeros position he would have won, but progamers don't just play to the maps, they arn't just going to do the same shit over again. Flash would have had a different build that has been made for the player he's against, so saying effort would have beaten flash hence flash is no.2 is really frustrating. Just fyi i dont think flash deserves to be no.1, i just think the reason you give isn't worthy

Other than that awesome powerrank
I mentioned that game purely because that was Flashs only real saving grace this month. While still an impressive game, I don't think it's enough to really put him over Jaedong.

I know a lot of people are saying that Jaedong could have lost vs Kal - but the thing is he didn't. If you cast your mind back to Jan/Feb when Flash was in god mdoe he would frequently play himself into a disadvantage and then come back. While not as elegant as that, Jaedong did accomplish something similar. Coupled with his other recent performances he looked like the strong player
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swanized
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada2480 Posts
August 02 2010 09:26 GMT
#126
On August 02 2010 17:55 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2010 17:21 Scaramanga wrote:
"But then I think to myself, what if Effort were playing in this position and not Zero? Well the answer is, and was, that Effort would win (see their clash on Fighting Spirit). Effort has Flashes number and knows how to defeat his late-game turtle style, and given Jaedongs history no doubt he will have taken note and incorporated that into his repertoire."

What bullshit is this? Flash got dropped because you thought in that particular game effort would have won?
How do you know effort would have had a build that would have been just as effective as the one on fighting spirit? How don't you know flash wouldn't have smashed effort like he did first two games of the osl finals? You say that if effort was in zeros position he would have won, but progamers don't just play to the maps, they arn't just going to do the same shit over again. Flash would have had a different build that has been made for the player he's against, so saying effort would have beaten flash hence flash is no.2 is really frustrating. Just fyi i dont think flash deserves to be no.1, i just think the reason you give isn't worthy

Other than that awesome powerrank
I mentioned that game purely because that was Flashs only real saving grace this month. While still an impressive game, I don't think it's enough to really put him over Jaedong.

I know a lot of people are saying that Jaedong could have lost vs Kal - but the thing is he didn't. If you cast your mind back to Jan/Feb when Flash was in god mdoe he would frequently play himself into a disadvantage and then come back. While not as elegant as that, Jaedong did accomplish something similar. Coupled with his other recent performances he looked like the strong player



I hate those silly ''Flash played really well against Zero therefore he OBVIOUSLY is number 1."

you can't judge these positions only on 1 damn game.


good rank Plexa



On August 02 2010 17:42 hystorm wrote:
I lol at flash fanboy QQ


agreed, it's funny to see the OZ and KTF fans duke it out every controversial month


On August 02 2010 14:07 ibreakurface wrote:
"So why is Bisu placed so highly despite just being eliminated from the MSL? Well, because he's doing amazingly well in Proleague at the moment and he is the best PvZ player in the world hands down. His games are really impressive and his PvP is still amazingly solid. I can overlook a weakness to Terrans temporarily, assuming Bisu keeps delivering when it matters."

Solid PvP? His 1st game vs pure was pretty lame imo, allowing pure to walk all over his probes. Then he went 50% versus kal which is pretty ridiculous because, although kal used to be a good player, hes been playing pretty poorly lately.

Also, " assuming Bisu keeps delivering when it matters"? Seriously? You said it yourself he was dropped out of the MSL. How is that delivering where it matters?

Lost faith in plexas ability to make these power ranks. Do you even watch the games?


I think you owe more respect to Plexa, he manages to make a very convincing rank every month while absorbing hate from every single OZ or KTF fans every single month. I'd raher not make those ranks if you ask me

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Alak
Profile Joined October 2008
Sweden380 Posts
August 02 2010 09:40 GMT
#127
On August 02 2010 17:42 hystorm wrote:
I lol at flash fanboy QQ


Funnily enough, almost no Flash fans really disagree with his placement this month, including myself, whereas your average Jaedong fan has been foaming in the mouth for ages now. Must be weird not having anything to bitch and moan about now, yes?

Can't really argue about the rest of the PR either, although I have to chime in with the "Where is Hiya" crowd. He could easily have claimed BeSt's spot in my opinion.
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nepeta
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
1872 Posts
August 02 2010 09:41 GMT
#128
Don't hedge your opinion so much Plexa, fans gonna fan anyways :p
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Scaramanga
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia8092 Posts
August 02 2010 10:02 GMT
#129
On August 02 2010 18:26 swanized wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2010 17:55 Plexa wrote:
On August 02 2010 17:21 Scaramanga wrote:
"But then I think to myself, what if Effort were playing in this position and not Zero? Well the answer is, and was, that Effort would win (see their clash on Fighting Spirit). Effort has Flashes number and knows how to defeat his late-game turtle style, and given Jaedongs history no doubt he will have taken note and incorporated that into his repertoire."

What bullshit is this? Flash got dropped because you thought in that particular game effort would have won?
How do you know effort would have had a build that would have been just as effective as the one on fighting spirit? How don't you know flash wouldn't have smashed effort like he did first two games of the osl finals? You say that if effort was in zeros position he would have won, but progamers don't just play to the maps, they arn't just going to do the same shit over again. Flash would have had a different build that has been made for the player he's against, so saying effort would have beaten flash hence flash is no.2 is really frustrating. Just fyi i dont think flash deserves to be no.1, i just think the reason you give isn't worthy

Other than that awesome powerrank
I mentioned that game purely because that was Flashs only real saving grace this month. While still an impressive game, I don't think it's enough to really put him over Jaedong.

I know a lot of people are saying that Jaedong could have lost vs Kal - but the thing is he didn't. If you cast your mind back to Jan/Feb when Flash was in god mdoe he would frequently play himself into a disadvantage and then come back. While not as elegant as that, Jaedong did accomplish something similar. Coupled with his other recent performances he looked like the strong player



I hate those silly ''Flash played really well against Zero therefore he OBVIOUSLY is number 1."


you can't judge these positions only on 1 damn game.


good rank Plexa



Show nested quote +
On August 02 2010 17:42 hystorm wrote:
I lol at flash fanboy QQ


agreed, it's funny to see the OZ and KTF fans duke it out every controversial month


Show nested quote +
On August 02 2010 14:07 ibreakurface wrote:
"So why is Bisu placed so highly despite just being eliminated from the MSL? Well, because he's doing amazingly well in Proleague at the moment and he is the best PvZ player in the world hands down. His games are really impressive and his PvP is still amazingly solid. I can overlook a weakness to Terrans temporarily, assuming Bisu keeps delivering when it matters."

Solid PvP? His 1st game vs pure was pretty lame imo, allowing pure to walk all over his probes. Then he went 50% versus kal which is pretty ridiculous because, although kal used to be a good player, hes been playing pretty poorly lately.

Also, " assuming Bisu keeps delivering when it matters"? Seriously? You said it yourself he was dropped out of the MSL. How is that delivering where it matters?

Lost faith in plexas ability to make these power ranks. Do you even watch the games?


I think you owe more respect to Plexa, he manages to make a very convincing rank every month while absorbing hate from every single OZ or KTF fans every single month. I'd raher not make those ranks if you ask me


That aimed at me?
Loda talked about the fun counter, it's AdmiralBulldog on his natures prophet
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-02 10:33:54
August 02 2010 10:14 GMT
#130
I'm surprised Action isn't mentioned in the PR . The kid has a good chance of advancing the OSL group of death and he plays all his MUs like a baller . I don't think Best deserves the 10 spot most of his opponents except for Midas are pretty bad against protoss and there are more deserving players . Stork and Bisu i think are a bit high .
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
August 02 2010 10:16 GMT
#131
Jaedong and Flash = always provide the best drama great PR \m/
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4734 Posts
August 02 2010 10:29 GMT
#132
Flash/ Jaedong discussions are pointless since the real king is coming back to claim the throne that rightfully belongs to him.

I am of course talking about Protoss grandmaster + Show Spoiler +
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"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
400lb White Girl
Profile Joined April 2009
United States83 Posts
August 02 2010 11:05 GMT
#133
Thanks for the power rank write-up.

I agree with Bisu's assessment. His PvT might need a few more negative adjectives though.
Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
August 02 2010 12:07 GMT
#134
great power rank. i havent agreed more with a pr since a long long time. the only thing i might change is place sea above fantasy and effort, but this is based on knowing the results of today´s osl games...

gj!
"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
PineappleLumpsToss
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand2434 Posts
August 02 2010 12:12 GMT
#135
Scaramanga, I believe the comment was aimed at ibreakurface.

Thankless job, wd to Plexa for another interesting PR.

As much as I'd like to see Bisu higher I don't think it's warranted. His PvT has just been awful and predictable, and I agree that his PvP has not been dominant. The next month for Bisu should be an interesting one.

Good to see Stork and BeSt back on the PR as well.
Samurai-
Profile Joined May 2008
Slovenia2035 Posts
August 02 2010 12:19 GMT
#136
I think Flash should be ahead of jaedong simply beacuse his play was stronger, and he only lost to "strong" enemies, while jaedong lost to s2, his play against kal wasnt any good, and he lost to sea, while being ahead.. Osl is the most important tournament of all, loosing there should mean something.

question: can anything be changed on PR after its written ? Otherwise all this discussion seems pointless..
One ring, to rule them all!
pinkranger15
Profile Joined June 2010
Philippines1597 Posts
August 02 2010 12:27 GMT
#137
GO BISU! reach number 1 for your fans!
yoyo!
L0thar
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
987 Posts
August 02 2010 12:49 GMT
#138
It's kind of odd seeing Flash not ranked #1 after so long, but I have no doubts he will return to his rightful place soon. Enjoy this month Jaedong fans, enjoy it well, it won't last long .
Nemesis
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2568 Posts
August 02 2010 13:18 GMT
#139
I don't mind Jaedong being number 1 this month as the skill difference between JD and Flash is razor thin but I just find your reasoning very sketchy.

I'm sorry but Flash's TvZ figured out? Wth? His only loss in tvz recently is to effort, and then before that during the OSL finals. I would agree that his TvT is looking a bit shaky though.

And as Scaramanga pointed out before that Effort would have done better if he was playing instead of Zero is a very bad argument especially since Effort sucks against mech, just think of the recent game Effort lost against a meching fantasy.
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TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-02 13:47:58
August 02 2010 13:46 GMT
#140
On August 02 2010 17:55 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2010 17:21 Scaramanga wrote:
"But then I think to myself, what if Effort were playing in this position and not Zero? Well the answer is, and was, that Effort would win (see their clash on Fighting Spirit). Effort has Flashes number and knows how to defeat his late-game turtle style, and given Jaedongs history no doubt he will have taken note and incorporated that into his repertoire."

What bullshit is this? Flash got dropped because you thought in that particular game effort would have won?
How do you know effort would have had a build that would have been just as effective as the one on fighting spirit? How don't you know flash wouldn't have smashed effort like he did first two games of the osl finals? You say that if effort was in zeros position he would have won, but progamers don't just play to the maps, they arn't just going to do the same shit over again. Flash would have had a different build that has been made for the player he's against, so saying effort would have beaten flash hence flash is no.2 is really frustrating. Just fyi i dont think flash deserves to be no.1, i just think the reason you give isn't worthy

Other than that awesome powerrank
I mentioned that game purely because that was Flashs only real saving grace this month. While still an impressive game, I don't think it's enough to really put him over Jaedong.

I know a lot of people are saying that Jaedong could have lost vs Kal - but the thing is he didn't. If you cast your mind back to Jan/Feb when Flash was in god mdoe he would frequently play himself into a disadvantage and then come back. While not as elegant as that, Jaedong did accomplish something similar. Coupled with his other recent performances he looked like the strong player


When Flash was in good mode his comebacks were immaculate and showed him clearly outplaying his opponent from a disadvantage.

Not to say Jaedong can't do that, he most certainly can, but he didn't do that vs Kal. Kal choked his advantage away. This is nothing new, really.

Though I really can't get over the loss to Sea. A map with ZvT stats akin to freaking battle royale and he loses because of plain stupidity. He pulled a completely lucky draw getting his hardest opponent on the best possible map in circulation to beat him on and blew it away. That's honestly what separates the two for me right now. In the MSL Flash got a kind of easy draw on a teammate who he crushes in practice regularly, despite being a pretty good PvTer, so it's hard to say Flash outperformed Jaedong in the MSL where Jaedong actually had a very good opponent (this is also why I'm not particularly critical of Flash going 2-1 in his group while Jaedong went 2-0 -- Flash had a much more challenging opponent than Jaedong's group who was essentially a walkover), but Flash played the strongest opponent in his group and did so with an obviously incredibly effective build. He didn't hold back or try to show off, he straight crushed his toughest OSL opposition.
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