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Mooncat
Profile Joined October 2007
Germany1228 Posts
August 13 2010 06:48 GMT
#341
On August 13 2010 12:22 setzer wrote:
Come on, its not even close. Nada is the GOAT until Jaedong or Flash eventually earns more titles. And even then it will be always be debatable.

-72 months at top32 Kespa

-16 months striaght #1 Kespa

-6 SL titles

-Has played over 1000 televised games and even way past his prime he has a better winrate than most progamers ever achieve

-Only player to even win two titles in the same season

And thats just breaking the ice on his many short term and long term achievements. What I think is truly the most amazing accomplishment of Nada's is he won his last OSL 5 years after his first major win against Boxer.


Would people stop saying that please?
Afaik it was another format back then so there was actually quite a bit of time between the 2 Star Leagues, unlike today, when the MSL and OSL finals are only a few days apart.
"[Lee Young Ho] With this victory, you’ve risen to Bonjwa status."
Samurai-
Profile Joined May 2008
Slovenia2035 Posts
August 13 2010 07:21 GMT
#342
On August 13 2010 15:48 Mooncat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2010 12:22 setzer wrote:
Come on, its not even close. Nada is the GOAT until Jaedong or Flash eventually earns more titles. And even then it will be always be debatable.

-72 months at top32 Kespa

-16 months striaght #1 Kespa

-6 SL titles

-Has played over 1000 televised games and even way past his prime he has a better winrate than most progamers ever achieve

-Only player to even win two titles in the same season

And thats just breaking the ice on his many short term and long term achievements. What I think is truly the most amazing accomplishment of Nada's is he won his last OSL 5 years after his first major win against Boxer.


Would people stop saying that please?
Afaik it was another format back then so there was actually quite a bit of time between the 2 Star Leagues, unlike today, when the MSL and OSL finals are only a few days apart.

Yep.. If starleagues were so far apart today, flash would won double gold twice already..
One ring, to rule them all!
Loffeman
Profile Joined June 2007
Sweden105 Posts
August 13 2010 07:21 GMT
#343
I don't think there's anyone who actually watched starcraft for a longer period of time that thinks Flash is the GOAT. It's just these new kids who doesn't know what Nada accomplished. It's like people are saying Messi is the GOAT in football not knowing who Maradonna or Pele is.
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
August 13 2010 07:25 GMT
#344
On August 13 2010 15:48 Mooncat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2010 12:22 setzer wrote:
Come on, its not even close. Nada is the GOAT until Jaedong or Flash eventually earns more titles. And even then it will be always be debatable.

-72 months at top32 Kespa

-16 months striaght #1 Kespa

-6 SL titles

-Has played over 1000 televised games and even way past his prime he has a better winrate than most progamers ever achieve

-Only player to even win two titles in the same season

And thats just breaking the ice on his many short term and long term achievements. What I think is truly the most amazing accomplishment of Nada's is he won his last OSL 5 years after his first major win against Boxer.


Would people stop saying that please?
Afaik it was another format back then so there was actually quite a bit of time between the 2 Star Leagues, unlike today, when the MSL and OSL finals are only a few days apart.


They were three weeks or so apart rather than one week. So? They were still the same season, and the day before Nada won the KPGA tour, he beat yellow 3-1 in the OSL.
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
August 13 2010 10:07 GMT
#345
On August 13 2010 15:48 Mooncat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2010 12:22 setzer wrote:
Come on, its not even close. Nada is the GOAT until Jaedong or Flash eventually earns more titles. And even then it will be always be debatable.

-72 months at top32 Kespa

-16 months striaght #1 Kespa

-6 SL titles

-Has played over 1000 televised games and even way past his prime he has a better winrate than most progamers ever achieve

-Only player to even win two titles in the same season

And thats just breaking the ice on his many short term and long term achievements. What I think is truly the most amazing accomplishment of Nada's is he won his last OSL 5 years after his first major win against Boxer.


Would people stop saying that please?
Afaik it was another format back then so there was actually quite a bit of time between the 2 Star Leagues, unlike today, when the MSL and OSL finals are only a few days apart.


Garimto, Boxer, Giyom, Yellow and Chojja never did it, so why try to diminish an accomplishment that belongs solely to him? If Flash won two golds in the same season it would be more impressive than what Nada it, but it hasn't happened yet.
p14c
Profile Joined May 2010
Vatican City State431 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-13 12:51:45
August 13 2010 11:42 GMT
#346
As I predicted at the start of the month Flash hasn't been solved after all

+ Show Spoiler +
11 game wining streak and complete domination of 2 very good TvT players Hiya and Leta proves this.
Also the mech friendly maps in both OSL and MSL give Flash quite a good chance to win at least one league.
Game Over, Man! Game Over!
okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5779 Posts
August 13 2010 12:09 GMT
#347
Man, Leta, fOrGG and Hiya just rolled over Flash now that they knew how to defeat him.
Flash fan before it was cool | Coiner of "jangbang"
Mooncat
Profile Joined October 2007
Germany1228 Posts
August 13 2010 13:15 GMT
#348
On August 13 2010 16:25 Mindcrime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2010 15:48 Mooncat wrote:
On August 13 2010 12:22 setzer wrote:
Come on, its not even close. Nada is the GOAT until Jaedong or Flash eventually earns more titles. And even then it will be always be debatable.

-72 months at top32 Kespa

-16 months striaght #1 Kespa

-6 SL titles

-Has played over 1000 televised games and even way past his prime he has a better winrate than most progamers ever achieve

-Only player to even win two titles in the same season

And thats just breaking the ice on his many short term and long term achievements. What I think is truly the most amazing accomplishment of Nada's is he won his last OSL 5 years after his first major win against Boxer.


Would people stop saying that please?
Afaik it was another format back then so there was actually quite a bit of time between the 2 Star Leagues, unlike today, when the MSL and OSL finals are only a few days apart.


They were three weeks or so apart rather than one week. So? They were still the same season, and the day before Nada won the KPGA tour, he beat yellow 3-1 in the OSL.


Don't get me wrong. I love NaDa as much as the next guy and I don't want to take anything away from him. What bothers me are such stupid comparisons in general because it just wasn't the same back then. Not only the time between the SLs were different, but many other things too. That's why I don't like it when people try to compare players of different eras.
"[Lee Young Ho] With this victory, you’ve risen to Bonjwa status."
DracoVolantus
Profile Joined February 2010
Poland236 Posts
August 13 2010 15:10 GMT
#349
flash would beat nada in prime with one hand =)
EX CATHEDRA!
TaimalaiX
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada88 Posts
August 13 2010 15:59 GMT
#350
On August 14 2010 00:10 DracoVolantus wrote:
flash would beat nada in prime with one hand =)


Absolutely useless statement, and this is coming from a man with a KT tag and a tag stating his dislike of Nada.
Not a big fan of Nada. There, I said it.
DracoVolantus
Profile Joined February 2010
Poland236 Posts
August 13 2010 18:31 GMT
#351
On August 14 2010 00:59 TaimalaiX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2010 00:10 DracoVolantus wrote:
flash would beat nada in prime with one hand =)


Absolutely useless statement, and this is coming from a man with a KT tag and a tag stating his dislike of Nada.


Not so useless as You might think. Going crazy over Nada instead of going crazy over Flash is like going crazy over Capablanca instead of going crazy over Fischer. More or less stupid choice not counting few really great games (from both: Nada and Capablanca). Cheers.
EX CATHEDRA!
lyAsakura
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1414 Posts
August 13 2010 18:33 GMT
#352
On August 14 2010 00:10 DracoVolantus wrote:
flash would beat nada in prime with one hand =)


flash wouldn't be able to beat moon with 1 hand
WeMade FOX would be a deadly SC2 team.
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
August 13 2010 19:44 GMT
#353
On August 13 2010 22:15 Mooncat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2010 16:25 Mindcrime wrote:
On August 13 2010 15:48 Mooncat wrote:
On August 13 2010 12:22 setzer wrote:
Come on, its not even close. Nada is the GOAT until Jaedong or Flash eventually earns more titles. And even then it will be always be debatable.

-72 months at top32 Kespa

-16 months striaght #1 Kespa

-6 SL titles

-Has played over 1000 televised games and even way past his prime he has a better winrate than most progamers ever achieve

-Only player to even win two titles in the same season

And thats just breaking the ice on his many short term and long term achievements. What I think is truly the most amazing accomplishment of Nada's is he won his last OSL 5 years after his first major win against Boxer.


Would people stop saying that please?
Afaik it was another format back then so there was actually quite a bit of time between the 2 Star Leagues, unlike today, when the MSL and OSL finals are only a few days apart.


They were three weeks or so apart rather than one week. So? They were still the same season, and the day before Nada won the KPGA tour, he beat yellow 3-1 in the OSL.


Don't get me wrong. I love NaDa as much as the next guy and I don't want to take anything away from him. What bothers me are such stupid comparisons in general because it just wasn't the same back then. Not only the time between the SLs were different, but many other things too. That's why I don't like it when people try to compare players of different eras.


It's just one of his many accomplishments.

As I've said repeatedly, what makes NaDa so great is that he stood up as an icon in virtually every era. It wasn't until after his legendary bo5 against Jangbi that he well and truly crashed.

And that's why he's Greatest of All Time and why nobody else comes close to contending that title -- and it's unlikely that Flash and Jaedong will even get that chance with SC2 right around the corner.
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
Mooncat
Profile Joined October 2007
Germany1228 Posts
August 13 2010 19:47 GMT
#354
On August 14 2010 04:44 Mortality wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2010 22:15 Mooncat wrote:
On August 13 2010 16:25 Mindcrime wrote:
On August 13 2010 15:48 Mooncat wrote:
On August 13 2010 12:22 setzer wrote:
Come on, its not even close. Nada is the GOAT until Jaedong or Flash eventually earns more titles. And even then it will be always be debatable.

-72 months at top32 Kespa

-16 months striaght #1 Kespa

-6 SL titles

-Has played over 1000 televised games and even way past his prime he has a better winrate than most progamers ever achieve

-Only player to even win two titles in the same season

And thats just breaking the ice on his many short term and long term achievements. What I think is truly the most amazing accomplishment of Nada's is he won his last OSL 5 years after his first major win against Boxer.


Would people stop saying that please?
Afaik it was another format back then so there was actually quite a bit of time between the 2 Star Leagues, unlike today, when the MSL and OSL finals are only a few days apart.


They were three weeks or so apart rather than one week. So? They were still the same season, and the day before Nada won the KPGA tour, he beat yellow 3-1 in the OSL.


Don't get me wrong. I love NaDa as much as the next guy and I don't want to take anything away from him. What bothers me are such stupid comparisons in general because it just wasn't the same back then. Not only the time between the SLs were different, but many other things too. That's why I don't like it when people try to compare players of different eras.


It's just one of his many accomplishments.

As I've said repeatedly, what makes NaDa so great is that he stood up as an icon in virtually every era. It wasn't until after his legendary bo5 against Jangbi that he well and truly crashed.

And that's why he's Greatest of All Time and why nobody else comes close to contending that title -- and it's unlikely that Flash and Jaedong will even get that chance with SC2 right around the corner.


Let's wait(hope) and see. At least on the outside the progamers don't talk like there's an end to SC1 in sight yet.
"[Lee Young Ho] With this victory, you’ve risen to Bonjwa status."
ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
August 13 2010 20:42 GMT
#355
On August 14 2010 00:10 DracoVolantus wrote:
flash would beat nada in prime with one hand =)


That is a retarded statement.

On another note, Flash seems to be going strong once again. Sea is also looking very strong. Hmmm, I'm wondering if even the #2 spot for Jaedong is in danger. I mean, so far, Zergs have been struggling at ZvT, and Jaedong's ZvT has also been shaky lately. Meanwhile, Sea has been on a roll lately winning 7 of his last 10 ZvTs, and going 2-1 with Jaedong in those last 10 matches. Idk, I guess MSL Day 4 will be what decides it? I just wish it'd come sooner
darkness overpowering
Cpadolf
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden1199 Posts
August 13 2010 20:55 GMT
#356
On August 14 2010 05:42 ghrur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2010 00:10 DracoVolantus wrote:
flash would beat nada in prime with one hand =)


That is a retarded statement.

On another note, Flash seems to be going strong once again. Sea is also looking very strong. Hmmm, I'm wondering if even the #2 spot for Jaedong is in danger. I mean, so far, Zergs have been struggling at ZvT, and Jaedong's ZvT has also been shaky lately. Meanwhile, Sea has been on a roll lately winning 7 of his last 10 ZvTs, and going 2-1 with Jaedong in those last 10 matches. Idk, I guess MSL Day 4 will be what decides it? I just wish it'd come sooner


It's in 11 hours, not too long of a wait is it?

I wouldn't be too surprised if Sea won over Jaedong in the MSL. ZvT in general is about 38-14 or so in the last 50 games, so the collective Zerg winrate against Terran over the last month is worse than Hyuk's career winrate against Terran, and the map pool isn't exactly in his favor either. And then of course Sea is probably the 3rd best TvZ player currently.

And ff he wins I'd say Sea has the best shot out of anyone for the 2nd spot.

I hope Jaedong can come up with something good.
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4740 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-13 21:17:45
August 13 2010 21:17 GMT
#357
I believe Jaedong needs to come up with something special to beat the terrans he is facing right now. The actual trends in tvz seem like a nightmare to deal with, and I don't think Jaedong (and any other zerg for that matter) has found an answer yet. I would be a happy panda if I am wrong.

Given the map pool, anything but a terran winning the MSL would be a travesty to me, I think we'll see an all terran semis. At least the OSL has Dreamliner, but I don't know if that's enough.

Sea is locked in the top3 for me right now, and he could very well overtake Jaedong, (of course he has to beat him first). Haven't seen Sea perform like this during the last 2 years.

If Sea beats Jaedong and Fantasy beats Flash, the PR could become pretty messed up
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
August 13 2010 21:37 GMT
#358
Nice PR, but I would have put Sea a bit higher. He's a monster of late. Sure, his PvT hasn't really been challenged yet, but we'll see him against Stork soon! :D
Cpadolf
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden1199 Posts
August 13 2010 21:42 GMT
#359
On August 14 2010 06:37 StarStruck wrote:
Nice PR, but I would have put Sea a bit higher. He's a monster of late. Sure, his PvT hasn't really been challenged yet, but we'll see him against Stork soon! :D


Do note that the PR was written 2 weeks ago, and that Plexa can not see into the future. As good as he played last month, I really don't think he did anything worthy of being placed over Fantasy or Effort.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
August 13 2010 22:13 GMT
#360
On August 14 2010 06:42 Cpadolf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2010 06:37 StarStruck wrote:
Nice PR, but I would have put Sea a bit higher. He's a monster of late. Sure, his PvT hasn't really been challenged yet, but we'll see him against Stork soon! :D


Do note that the PR was written 2 weeks ago, and that Plexa can not see into the future. As good as he played last month, I really don't think he did anything worthy of being placed over Fantasy or Effort.


Yes, I know how PR's work. I haven't been paying much attention to TL or the PR lately, hence the delay in my remarks :D
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