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On August 15 2010 00:51 Navi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2010 00:25 Mortality wrote:On August 14 2010 08:53 Yxes2211 wrote:God it's a dark age for zergs right now, but it'll end sometime  I mean not to long ago we had swarm season so my hopes are high XD Man tonight is gonna be sweet We got Effort vs Light and Jaedong vs Sea, 2 top zergs vs The best TvZ player and a top tier Terran Hoping one of them pulls some cool shit and advances :D But i'd like to avoid 2 TvT semis D: TvT is my least favorite mirror only below ZvZ since ZvZ has the luxury of being short. So hopefully Effort or JD advance :D So stoked for tonights games :D I don't think so at all. Right now in my opinion is (yet another) dark age for Protoss, which is why Terran seems to powerful. Recently PvT has been balanced, while T > Z and Z > P remain true. This seems true, and the massive protoss-fest (group D) in the OSL probably didn't help D: (although Kal was the only one lost, that still reduced the number of good protosses from like 3 -> 2 (not ignoring bisu, but his group wasn't too good for him). hmm, while Flash has seemed really good in the last week or two, if he drops the MSL to fanta and JD advances, JD will probably be #1 again :o Has there even been dual finals between the same players? I think it would be sick if JD and Flash broke some record while going dual final :3
When Nada won both the OSL and MSL in the same season, he defeated Chojja both times.
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Flash and Jaedong's schedule this coming week is hellish. WCG 6 out of 7 days, and obviously Flash and Jaedong are the favorites to advance to the finals there, but then they have to practice for the opening set of OSL and a bo5 in MSL. If one of those two survives this week it would be a truly herculean feat.
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Is it safe to say that Bisu will be dropping out of PR for the next month? His only games that are left are for WCG and Im not sure how much those are weighted.
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Jaedong at least had rest between games ;P
Flash's schedule this month is totally insane though:
4th OSL, 5th MSL, then 11th WCG, 12th MSL AND 13th OSL and then starting from 18th he'll have WCG, MSL and OSL several days in a row. And if KT plays Flash in GSM @ 17th that would be whole week of Flash.
I'm as his fan, feel totally orgasmic from a thought of seeing him everyday lol
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On August 15 2010 09:03 Tempest[OEC] wrote:
Is it safe to say that Bisu will be dropping out of PR for the next month? His only games that are left are for WCG and Im not sure how much those are weighted.
he DID lose to Sea in the MSL but honestly the OSL loss is pretty unfair
a 2 hatch hydra break vs his 2 star... i mean.. you cant really blame the poor man
but i DO agree he should be demoted
but to be kicked off completely?
eh
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On August 15 2010 05:50 flamewheel wrote:
Also, I think ZerO deserves one of the bottom spots on the PR next month... he's on a 10 game win streak, including ZvZ wins over both EffOrt and Jaedong in the Masters' Cup.
I think ZerO should be 4/5 depending on how Light fairs against JD and how badly he murders free (sorry free). He didn't play bad games last month even if his record wasn't stellar and his ZvZ has been looking deadly. That makes ZerO the complete package, how can you not put him high? I mean lets brainstorm the people better than him: Flash and Jaedong (duh), probably Fantasy and maybe Effort/Light/free? I'm simply not a fan of Effort and he's out of both leagues but I could see him above Effort cause his ZvZ seems better (even though ZerO beat him). Light is really good at one mu, he doesn't deserve to be above ZerO unless something awful happens like he 3-0's JD or ZerO loses to free and free, while good, I think is gonna lose in the osl. But I guess we'll have to wait and see
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Light is really good at one mu, he doesn't deserve to be above ZerO
Light is good at two matchups and nearly untouchable at the third. All three of his matchups have been in the top ten of all terrans for a long, long time, and his TvZ is comfortably the second best in the world right now. Look at it this way: Light's next opponent is Jaedong, and he's not a heavy underdog. In fact, he may not be an underdog at all, and unless his nerves fail him it's a very real possibility that Jaedong is going home at the semifinals. The only other players who we could even imagine taking a Bo5 at this moment are Flash and Effort.
I love Zero to death, but he is so incredibly streaky. His newfound ZvZ prowess, if it continues, will do a lot to put him up there near Effort and Jaedong but for now all three of his matchups are a significant cut below his zerg 'big brothers,' so to speak, and his results never seem to last for longer than a month when they come. Light, on the other hand, is Mr. Consistency and has been for as long as I can remember.
I'm not saying that Light is clearly above Zero, and it's definitely very close, but I think he has the edge. After all, other matchups aside, Light is a favorite against Zero if it comes down head to head and that really counts.
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Sorry, I like Light, but he's not "really good" at TvP. He can play really good TvP, but he usually doesn't. He's very inconsistent in that match-up. Which is ironic because when he was considered very strong in that MU.
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On August 15 2010 11:45 Tianx wrote:Light is good at two matchups and nearly untouchable at the third. All three of his matchups have been in the top ten of all terrans for a long, long time, and his TvZ is comfortably the second best in the world right now. Look at it this way: Light's next opponent is Jaedong, and he's not a heavy underdog. In fact, he may not be an underdog at all, and unless his nerves fail him it's a very real possibility that Jaedong is going home at the semifinals. The only other players who we could even imagine taking a Bo5 at this moment are Flash and Effort. I love Zero to death, but he is so incredibly streaky. His newfound ZvZ prowess, if it continues, will do a lot to put him up there near Effort and Jaedong but for now all three of his matchups are a significant cut below his zerg 'big brothers,' so to speak, and his results never seem to last for longer than a month when they come. Light, on the other hand, is Mr. Consistency and has been for as long as I can remember. I'm not saying that Light is clearly above Zero, and it's definitely very close, but I think he has the edge. After all, other matchups aside, Light is a favorite against Zero if it comes down head to head and that really counts.
I have to disagree with you. Lights TvP is as average as average gets and its hard to call it consistently good when life time he's sub 50% in the mu. His TvT is good but thats all it is, not great not flashes of brilliance, just good and I haven't seen anything lately thats makes me think otherwise (granted I'd be a liar if I said I watched a lot of his TvT's). I don't disagree that Light has the second best TvZ on earth and I'd give him a 50/50 shot at taking out JD. And thats all fine and good but it's not top 5 in the world imo.
ZerO is a bit streaky but he's not Saint streaky. He's not good one day and crap the next; his games are always good and I might get shit for this but I think his ZvT is better than Efforts and his ZvP is more often than not the second best in the world. That was a weird statement, let me clarify. The individual elements of ZerO's ZvP are incredible, his macro is the best I've ever seen, his builds are brilliant it's just every now and then he fucks it up. So barring that, if he plays good ZvP's against free why shouldn't he be called the 2nd best ZvPer. I don't give this standard to a lot of players but with ZerO, as long as he plays good he is good because I know he has the skills.
I know that wasn't really a "here is where you're wrong and here is where I'm right argument", sorry . Obviously if Light crushes Jaedong->Fanta/Flash or ZerO loses to free my argument is null but if things work out this month the way I think they will I want to see ZerO in the top 5 ^.^
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"Average" really isn't the right word to describe Light's TvP. It goes from at times very good to more typically terribad.
I like Light and I hope he beats Jaedong. In fact I hope he wins the MSL. I fear that if he doesn't, he'll never escape from his reputation as being "mediocre" when he's not at all.
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On August 15 2010 09:03 Tempest[OEC] wrote:
Is it safe to say that Bisu will be dropping out of PR for the next month? His only games that are left are for WCG and Im not sure how much those are weighted.
Bisu and Best will be out to free some space for Zero and probably Leta . Zero needs to be in top 5 for his performance this month thought it's mostly STX masters . In the OSL he had weak opponents , but i guess it's not his fault .
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On August 15 2010 11:45 Tianx wrote:Light is good at two matchups and nearly untouchable at the third. All three of his matchups have been in the top ten of all terrans for a long, long time, and his TvZ is comfortably the second best in the world right now. Look at it this way: Light's next opponent is Jaedong, and he's not a heavy underdog. In fact, he may not be an underdog at all, and unless his nerves fail him it's a very real possibility that Jaedong is going home at the semifinals. The only other players who we could even imagine taking a Bo5 at this moment are Flash and Effort. I love Zero to death, but he is so incredibly streaky. His newfound ZvZ prowess, if it continues, will do a lot to put him up there near Effort and Jaedong but for now all three of his matchups are a significant cut below his zerg 'big brothers,' so to speak, and his results never seem to last for longer than a month when they come. Light, on the other hand, is Mr. Consistency and has been for as long as I can remember. I'm not saying that Light is clearly above Zero, and it's definitely very close, but I think he has the edge. After all, other matchups aside, Light is a favorite against Zero if it comes down head to head and that really counts.
Light has great TvZ and has good TvT , but for god's sake man he lost to Perfectman in a Bo3 . It's safe to say that all of Zero's MU are top notch with only Jaedong and Effort having this luxury .
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
Whoops! ZerO takes down Light and plays another great lategame ZvZ game.
12 game win streak, undefeated in Masters' Cup, 4 consecutive wins for Woongjin.
Scratch what I said earlier, now I think he deserves a high-middle spot.
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On August 15 2010 16:20 raga4ka wrote:Light has great TvZ and has good TvT , but for god's sake man he lost to Perfectman in a Bo3 . It's safe to say that all of Zero's MU are top notch with only Jaedong and Effort having this luxury .
Zero has a sub-50% ZvZ matchup despite his recent results, and went on an 8-game losing streak versus zerg in recent memory. If his ZvZ results aren't just a gimmick and will create a real, lasting strategy shift (and I'm hoping to God that'll be the case) then he deserves not only over Light but Effort as well for having at least equal skill and better results. The problem with Zero is that despite his recent play being undeniably amazing, he's been this impressive before - and then promptly fell off the face of the earth for a few months. I don't know if it's nerves or that time of month or whatever, but his results (and his skill) seems to come and go.
If he keeps up this level of play until the end of the month I'll be a believer, but Zero's just too streaky for me to call him the new second best zerg yet.
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On August 15 2010 16:23 flamewheel wrote:
Whoops! ZerO takes down Light and plays another great lategame ZvZ game.
12 game win streak, undefeated in Masters' Cup, 4 consecutive wins for Woongjin.
Scratch what I said earlier, now I think he deserves a high-middle spot.
Damn straight he does. He's been beastly these past 2 weeks.
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On August 15 2010 18:54 Tianx wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2010 16:20 raga4ka wrote:Light has great TvZ and has good TvT , but for god's sake man he lost to Perfectman in a Bo3 . It's safe to say that all of Zero's MU are top notch with only Jaedong and Effort having this luxury . Zero has a sub-50% ZvZ matchup despite his recent results, and went on an 8-game losing streak versus zerg in recent memory. If his ZvZ results aren't just a gimmick and will create a real, lasting strategy shift (and I'm hoping to God that'll be the case) then he deserves not only over Light but Effort as well for having at least equal skill and better results. The problem with Zero is that despite his recent play being undeniably amazing, he's been this impressive before - and then promptly fell off the face of the earth for a few months. I don't know if it's nerves or that time of month or whatever, but his results (and his skill) seems to come and go. If he keeps up this level of play until the end of the month I'll be a believer, but Zero's just too streaky for me to call him the new second best zerg yet.
Yeah that's right... I remember Zero owning everyone in a ridiculous manner during the first period of SPL. I hope hecan stay in this form now.
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1. Flash
2. Jaedong
3. Fantasy
4. Zero
5. Light
6. Free
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just a guess, Efforts out of both leagues, Bisu is out of indivdiual also.
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Yeah, so far Zero looks like a 4
1-2-3 is unsecure.
Fantasy aint getting higher even if he wins over flash (if you use the "who is the scariest opponent right now " arguement and his tvp didnt look too sharp against free / stork.
Flash currently flash is 1st but everything could change after MSL / OSL finals. (and msl finals will be before the end of the month)
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
On August 16 2010 02:51 Iplaythings wrote:
Yeah, so far Zero looks like a 4
1-2-3 is unsecure.
Fantasy aint getting higher even if he wins over flash (if you use the "who is the scariest opponent right now " arguement and his tvp didnt look too sharp against free / stork.
Flash currently flash is 1st but everything could change after MSL / OSL finals. (and msl finals will be before the end of the month)
I'm really just going to say that #1 is going to be the MSL winner, most likely. Especially if it's Jaedong or Flash, since both of them (are) still currently in OSL and I don't see them dropping to their opponents.
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So if Light beats Jaedong then Flash, he's #1? Cool.
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