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On July 22 2010 12:29 Yxes2211 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2010 12:17 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Well I wouldn't base my rankings on pure record like that. Say it somehow happened this month, what was the stage they played their matches in, did they play each other, who has the precedence from recent months to backup their monstrous run etc etc. I think this outlines a real fundamental problem in the people who lambast rankings so much, they only ever care about one specific thing and don't have a view for any broader scope, and since the ranking doesn't agree with that simple thing, they latch on to personal insults on the writer.
Then, from those insults, we get people who are trying to defend the insults with "Well Plexa DOES have a bias you know! It's totally okay to think he's a complete hack who is unfit to write the rank because he dislikes a player!"
by the ad hominem in this thread, there should literally never be a power ranking because everyone on the site has favorite players and least favorite players. I'm not defending the insults, I just posted above that I feel bad he has to make these decisions, since he's always going to be given shit for it. By your answer, you're showing that you are bias in your decision. It wasn't an actual decision that you needed to make (so you wouldn't have to go and look who they played, the setting, etc), it was just a simple question to prove a point. Since you didn't address the simple question, and instead beat around the bush about semi-relevant information that doesn't exist (since it was a hypothetical). How could there be a larger scope if the records were made up, for the sake of the argument? You also suffer from you're own logic, because of these insults your are trying to defend that there is no bias. And there are fanboys who will always gives true fans a bad name, but there are a lot of people who disagree with Plexa without insulting him. You're generalizing your opposition to fanboys defending insults, and that's just not true. I accept Plexa's PR, and he backed up his arguments for each pick reasonably, but there IS bias in each major argument, however little it may be. You seem to think that everyone who disagrees has some beef against Plexa which is untrue. I don't have any ill will towards the guy, but that doesn't mean i can't see bias in his arguments. That's true for several others.
You're grasping at straws in my intent. I am purely spiteful towards the people in this thread that post nothing but garbage insults and attacks on someone. I am absolutely okay with someone disagreeing with Plexa -- I actually encourage it because it'd be boring if we all just went "well alright that's the ranking for this month I guess." I haven't generalized any of my opposition, hell I wouldn't even considering people who disagree with me my opposition.
You seem like a nice guy who probably disagrees with Plexa. If you do that's fine, give a good reason why and you're a quality poster in everyone's book. I am sick of the pages upon pages of insults and personal attacks and pointless whining about how Plexa hates Jaedong when the man has given Jaedong plenty of praise in the past despite his dislike of him.
If you think he legitimately does have an anti-Jaedong bias then there can be nothing to change that, but if all you're going to post is "Plexa hates Jaedong" then shut up because you literally have nothing to add to the discussion. You pointed out nothing in Plexa's reasonings that are right smack dab in the power ranking. There's no discussion, no debate, just pure, childish kneejerk reactions because you have this preconceived notion about how Plexa OBVIOUSLY ranks someone.
edit -- and about that hypothetical calm flash thing, I wasn't beating around the bush, you just gave an entirely non-realistic setting that leaves out a multitude of factors that would go into my decision making process. I am not Flash #1 all the time everytime and you just pulled a stupid strawman to go "look you have bias there it is!" because you gave an wholly fabricated scenario.
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On July 22 2010 12:45 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2010 12:29 Yxes2211 wrote:On July 22 2010 12:17 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Well I wouldn't base my rankings on pure record like that. Say it somehow happened this month, what was the stage they played their matches in, did they play each other, who has the precedence from recent months to backup their monstrous run etc etc. I think this outlines a real fundamental problem in the people who lambast rankings so much, they only ever care about one specific thing and don't have a view for any broader scope, and since the ranking doesn't agree with that simple thing, they latch on to personal insults on the writer.
Then, from those insults, we get people who are trying to defend the insults with "Well Plexa DOES have a bias you know! It's totally okay to think he's a complete hack who is unfit to write the rank because he dislikes a player!"
by the ad hominem in this thread, there should literally never be a power ranking because everyone on the site has favorite players and least favorite players. I'm not defending the insults, I just posted above that I feel bad he has to make these decisions, since he's always going to be given shit for it. By your answer, you're showing that you are bias in your decision. It wasn't an actual decision that you needed to make (so you wouldn't have to go and look who they played, the setting, etc), it was just a simple question to prove a point. Since you didn't address the simple question, and instead beat around the bush about semi-relevant information that doesn't exist (since it was a hypothetical). How could there be a larger scope if the records were made up, for the sake of the argument? You also suffer from you're own logic, because of these insults your are trying to defend that there is no bias. And there are fanboys who will always gives true fans a bad name, but there are a lot of people who disagree with Plexa without insulting him. You're generalizing your opposition to fanboys defending insults, and that's just not true. I accept Plexa's PR, and he backed up his arguments for each pick reasonably, but there IS bias in each major argument, however little it may be. You seem to think that everyone who disagrees has some beef against Plexa which is untrue. I don't have any ill will towards the guy, but that doesn't mean i can't see bias in his arguments. That's true for several others. You're grasping at straws in my intent. I am purely spiteful towards the people in this thread that post nothing but garbage insults and attacks on someone. I am absolutely okay with someone disagreeing with Plexa -- I actually encourage it because it'd be boring if we all just went "well alright that's the ranking for this month I guess." I haven't generalized any of my opposition, hell I wouldn't even considering people who disagree with me my opposition. You seem like a nice guy who probably disagrees with Plexa. If you do that's fine, give a good reason why and you're a quality poster in everyone's book. I am sick of the pages upon pages of insults and personal attacks and pointless whining about how Plexa hates Jaedong when the man has given Jaedong plenty of praise in the past despite his dislike of him. If you think he legitimately does have an anti-Jaedong bias then there can be nothing to change that, but if all you're going to post is "Plexa hates Jaedong" then shut up because you literally have nothing to add to the discussion. You pointed out nothing in Plexa's reasonings that are right smack dab in the power ranking. There's no discussion, no debate, just pure, childish kneejerk reactions because you have this preconceived notion about how Plexa OBVIOUSLY ranks someone.
Lol then me and you got off topic somewhere cuz I totally feel you.
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I know everyone forgets about him but I'd like to see Roro make the PR O_o
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On July 22 2010 13:05 Shikyo wrote:
I know everyone forgets about him but I'd like to see Roro make the PR O_o
and Hiya?
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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
On July 22 2010 09:40 L0thar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2010 08:28 pvzvt wrote:On July 22 2010 07:46 Fenrax wrote:
JD has just played way better than Flash in the last 3 months (in every single one of them).
If you would choose the most JD biased starting point to count WL stats (the day after their final) JD is 15-3 while Flash is 8-8. But this would be unfair since the series DID happen and should be taken into consideration for comparing these two. The most Flash biased starting point you could possibly choose is exactly the day after Flashs loss to Effort and before his 3-0 over JD. But even then Flash is only 11-8, while JD is 15-6.
Another argument for Flash was his dominance during the last months. So lets check this for the last three month: If you go back to the beginning of May Flash is 26-14 while Jaedong is 28-7 - more wins and half the amount of losses for JD - an insane 80% winrate over 3 month vs. a very good 65%.
So it doesn't matter if you say it is a monthly power rank or if you say the power rank should take long term play into consideration. Also the number of games in combination with the gap in W/L percentages is way to high to argue with buildorders or gameplay against it.
So at the moment JD is #1 and Flash is somewhere between #2 and #4, depending on whether you choose long term strength or recent events for the ranking. the finest way to show the truth i will really but really be disappointed if the following pr wont give the man #1 give the guy what he deserves already Since when did Power Rank turn into Win:Loss Rank? You know what, screw Plexa, FakeSteve, JWD and everybody else who has ever written a PR. These noobs know nothing about Starcraft! Let's instead make a program which will select top 10 players based on TLPD at the start of each month .
Actually your sarcasm disqualifies yourself and it is an annoyance, but I'll still answer because it addresses the important point of WL rate vs. better game play.
I am far away from saying the PR should only be determined by a WL rate, especially not by a monthly WL rate. This leads to strange deviations like Light making #2 on PR for one month out of nowhere only to vanish back in the void again just as quick. It should always respect the play a player has shown (for example Bisu this month was just insanely good and thus should be rewarded for it in PR), the matchups and opponents he has gotten (for example, Light had exclusively played T and Z when when he became #2) and not overvalue a buildorder loss against a lesser opponent.
However, if a player consistently has won WAY MORE (80% vs. 65%) than another player for three month, every month, at any point, and over 40 games, then the player was just better at this time. There is just no possibility of arguing away such a big gap with matchups, gameplay, buildorder wins/losses etc. The big number of games played over such a long time will certainly have balanced out BO advantages, fluke wins and opponnents strength.
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On July 20 2010 18:09 Elroi wrote:
If Flash beats a guy who isn't even on the ranking, he deserves to remain #1? We are so indulgent with him ><
Well, I guess he deserves it after 4 consecutive finals though.
watch game quality first and forward; Violet played midas so damn well.
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On July 22 2010 13:07 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2010 13:05 Shikyo wrote:
I know everyone forgets about him but I'd like to see Roro make the PR O_o and Hiya?
hiya is out of the MSL, roro + Show Spoiler +lost against light, who is currently on a tvz monster streak
But yeah, roro needs cbnc atleast.
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On July 22 2010 17:39 Fenrax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2010 09:40 L0thar wrote:On July 22 2010 08:28 pvzvt wrote:On July 22 2010 07:46 Fenrax wrote:
JD has just played way better than Flash in the last 3 months (in every single one of them).
If you would choose the most JD biased starting point to count WL stats (the day after their final) JD is 15-3 while Flash is 8-8. But this would be unfair since the series DID happen and should be taken into consideration for comparing these two. The most Flash biased starting point you could possibly choose is exactly the day after Flashs loss to Effort and before his 3-0 over JD. But even then Flash is only 11-8, while JD is 15-6.
Another argument for Flash was his dominance during the last months. So lets check this for the last three month: If you go back to the beginning of May Flash is 26-14 while Jaedong is 28-7 - more wins and half the amount of losses for JD - an insane 80% winrate over 3 month vs. a very good 65%.
So it doesn't matter if you say it is a monthly power rank or if you say the power rank should take long term play into consideration. Also the number of games in combination with the gap in W/L percentages is way to high to argue with buildorders or gameplay against it.
So at the moment JD is #1 and Flash is somewhere between #2 and #4, depending on whether you choose long term strength or recent events for the ranking. the finest way to show the truth i will really but really be disappointed if the following pr wont give the man #1 give the guy what he deserves already Since when did Power Rank turn into Win:Loss Rank? You know what, screw Plexa, FakeSteve, JWD and everybody else who has ever written a PR. These noobs know nothing about Starcraft! Let's instead make a program which will select top 10 players based on TLPD at the start of each month . Actually your sarcasm disqualifies yourself and it is an annoyance, but I'll still answer because it addresses the important point of WL rate vs. better game play. I am far away from saying the PR should only be determined by a WL rate, especially not by a monthly WL rate. This leads to strange deviations like Light making #2 on PR for one month out of nowhere only to vanish back in the void again just as quick. It should always respect the play a player has shown (for example Bisu this month was just insanely good and thus should be rewarded for it in PR), the matchups and opponents he has gotten (for example, Light had exclusively played T and Z when when he became #2) and not overvalue a buildorder loss against a lesser opponent. However, if a player consistently has won WAY MORE (80% vs. 65%) than another player for three month, every month, at any point, and over 40 games, then the player was just better at this time. There is just no possibility of arguing away such a big gap with matchups, gameplay, buildorder wins/losses etc. The big number of games played over such a long time will certainly have balanced out BO advantages, fluke wins and opponnents strength.
I don't see how you can use 3 months as an arguement when Flash was in dual finals for the second time 2 months ago.
Jaedong has been performing better than Flash one month.
Before then Flash was floating far above the competition.
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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
3 month are actually a quite wide interval for a monthly PR. The dual finals do not give Flash #1 immunity.
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
MSL Round of 16, Day 1 spoilers:
+ Show Spoiler +Waiting for the deluge of people being surprised that  Bisu lost. But even if he had won against Sea, people would've put him at #1? Are you insane? Look, the idea of someone going from #10 to #1 is somewhat silly, unless everyone in front of him completely fails, and the other player wins pretty much everything. See how EffOrt went to #2 after not being the rank the previous month. But he won the OSL over the best player in the game. Bisu beat Snow's PvP, which, while impressive, isn't even a good indicator of overall skill, let alone #1. I think Bisu is playing around #5 - #7 right now, but his month has been good, he'll be up there. But not up there. *** And also,  Light is 20-1 in his last 21 TvZ's. That's absurd. He's 7-3 on the month as well, and, provided he doesn't lose two in a row to RorO, that should be good enough for a decent PR spot.
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On July 22 2010 19:37 Iplaythings wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2010 13:07 SuperArc wrote:On July 22 2010 13:05 Shikyo wrote:
I know everyone forgets about him but I'd like to see Roro make the PR O_o and Hiya? hiya is out of the MSL, roro + Show Spoiler +lost against light, who is currently on a tvz monster streak But yeah, roro needs cbnc atleast.
But Hiya is in the OSL.
On July 22 2010 19:45 StylishVODs wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2010 17:39 Fenrax wrote:On July 22 2010 09:40 L0thar wrote:On July 22 2010 08:28 pvzvt wrote:On July 22 2010 07:46 Fenrax wrote:
JD has just played way better than Flash in the last 3 months (in every single one of them).
If you would choose the most JD biased starting point to count WL stats (the day after their final) JD is 15-3 while Flash is 8-8. But this would be unfair since the series DID happen and should be taken into consideration for comparing these two. The most Flash biased starting point you could possibly choose is exactly the day after Flashs loss to Effort and before his 3-0 over JD. But even then Flash is only 11-8, while JD is 15-6.
Another argument for Flash was his dominance during the last months. So lets check this for the last three month: If you go back to the beginning of May Flash is 26-14 while Jaedong is 28-7 - more wins and half the amount of losses for JD - an insane 80% winrate over 3 month vs. a very good 65%.
So it doesn't matter if you say it is a monthly power rank or if you say the power rank should take long term play into consideration. Also the number of games in combination with the gap in W/L percentages is way to high to argue with buildorders or gameplay against it.
So at the moment JD is #1 and Flash is somewhere between #2 and #4, depending on whether you choose long term strength or recent events for the ranking. the finest way to show the truth i will really but really be disappointed if the following pr wont give the man #1 give the guy what he deserves already Since when did Power Rank turn into Win:Loss Rank? You know what, screw Plexa, FakeSteve, JWD and everybody else who has ever written a PR. These noobs know nothing about Starcraft! Let's instead make a program which will select top 10 players based on TLPD at the start of each month . Actually your sarcasm disqualifies yourself and it is an annoyance, but I'll still answer because it addresses the important point of WL rate vs. better game play. I am far away from saying the PR should only be determined by a WL rate, especially not by a monthly WL rate. This leads to strange deviations like Light making #2 on PR for one month out of nowhere only to vanish back in the void again just as quick. It should always respect the play a player has shown (for example Bisu this month was just insanely good and thus should be rewarded for it in PR), the matchups and opponents he has gotten (for example, Light had exclusively played T and Z when when he became #2) and not overvalue a buildorder loss against a lesser opponent. However, if a player consistently has won WAY MORE (80% vs. 65%) than another player for three month, every month, at any point, and over 40 games, then the player was just better at this time. There is just no possibility of arguing away such a big gap with matchups, gameplay, buildorder wins/losses etc. The big number of games played over such a long time will certainly have balanced out BO advantages, fluke wins and opponnents strength. I don't see how you can use 3 months as an arguement when Flash was in dual finals for the second time 2 months ago. Jaedong has been performing better than Flash one month. Before then Flash was floating far above the competition.
Jaedong has been performing better than Flash for more than a month now.
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On July 22 2010 20:23 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2010 19:37 Iplaythings wrote:On July 22 2010 13:07 SuperArc wrote:On July 22 2010 13:05 Shikyo wrote:
I know everyone forgets about him but I'd like to see Roro make the PR O_o and Hiya? hiya is out of the MSL, roro + Show Spoiler +lost against light, who is currently on a tvz monster streak But yeah, roro needs cbnc atleast. But Hiya is in the OSL. Show nested quote +On July 22 2010 19:45 StylishVODs wrote:On July 22 2010 17:39 Fenrax wrote:On July 22 2010 09:40 L0thar wrote:On July 22 2010 08:28 pvzvt wrote:On July 22 2010 07:46 Fenrax wrote:
JD has just played way better than Flash in the last 3 months (in every single one of them).
If you would choose the most JD biased starting point to count WL stats (the day after their final) JD is 15-3 while Flash is 8-8. But this would be unfair since the series DID happen and should be taken into consideration for comparing these two. The most Flash biased starting point you could possibly choose is exactly the day after Flashs loss to Effort and before his 3-0 over JD. But even then Flash is only 11-8, while JD is 15-6.
Another argument for Flash was his dominance during the last months. So lets check this for the last three month: If you go back to the beginning of May Flash is 26-14 while Jaedong is 28-7 - more wins and half the amount of losses for JD - an insane 80% winrate over 3 month vs. a very good 65%.
So it doesn't matter if you say it is a monthly power rank or if you say the power rank should take long term play into consideration. Also the number of games in combination with the gap in W/L percentages is way to high to argue with buildorders or gameplay against it.
So at the moment JD is #1 and Flash is somewhere between #2 and #4, depending on whether you choose long term strength or recent events for the ranking. the finest way to show the truth i will really but really be disappointed if the following pr wont give the man #1 give the guy what he deserves already Since when did Power Rank turn into Win:Loss Rank? You know what, screw Plexa, FakeSteve, JWD and everybody else who has ever written a PR. These noobs know nothing about Starcraft! Let's instead make a program which will select top 10 players based on TLPD at the start of each month . Actually your sarcasm disqualifies yourself and it is an annoyance, but I'll still answer because it addresses the important point of WL rate vs. better game play. I am far away from saying the PR should only be determined by a WL rate, especially not by a monthly WL rate. This leads to strange deviations like Light making #2 on PR for one month out of nowhere only to vanish back in the void again just as quick. It should always respect the play a player has shown (for example Bisu this month was just insanely good and thus should be rewarded for it in PR), the matchups and opponents he has gotten (for example, Light had exclusively played T and Z when when he became #2) and not overvalue a buildorder loss against a lesser opponent. However, if a player consistently has won WAY MORE (80% vs. 65%) than another player for three month, every month, at any point, and over 40 games, then the player was just better at this time. There is just no possibility of arguing away such a big gap with matchups, gameplay, buildorder wins/losses etc. The big number of games played over such a long time will certainly have balanced out BO advantages, fluke wins and opponnents strength. I don't see how you can use 3 months as an arguement when Flash was in dual finals for the second time 2 months ago. Jaedong has been performing better than Flash one month. Before then Flash was floating far above the competition. Jaedong has been performing better than Flash for more than a month now.
How much has flash played? Jaedong is first, but my honest guess is that Flash burned out and took a break after the finals was secured.
Just wait undtil Violet v Flash to see how "slumping" he is.
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On July 22 2010 20:36 Iplaythings wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2010 20:23 SuperArc wrote:On July 22 2010 19:37 Iplaythings wrote:On July 22 2010 13:07 SuperArc wrote:On July 22 2010 13:05 Shikyo wrote:
I know everyone forgets about him but I'd like to see Roro make the PR O_o and Hiya? hiya is out of the MSL, roro + Show Spoiler +lost against light, who is currently on a tvz monster streak But yeah, roro needs cbnc atleast. But Hiya is in the OSL. On July 22 2010 19:45 StylishVODs wrote:On July 22 2010 17:39 Fenrax wrote:On July 22 2010 09:40 L0thar wrote:On July 22 2010 08:28 pvzvt wrote:On July 22 2010 07:46 Fenrax wrote:
JD has just played way better than Flash in the last 3 months (in every single one of them).
If you would choose the most JD biased starting point to count WL stats (the day after their final) JD is 15-3 while Flash is 8-8. But this would be unfair since the series DID happen and should be taken into consideration for comparing these two. The most Flash biased starting point you could possibly choose is exactly the day after Flashs loss to Effort and before his 3-0 over JD. But even then Flash is only 11-8, while JD is 15-6.
Another argument for Flash was his dominance during the last months. So lets check this for the last three month: If you go back to the beginning of May Flash is 26-14 while Jaedong is 28-7 - more wins and half the amount of losses for JD - an insane 80% winrate over 3 month vs. a very good 65%.
So it doesn't matter if you say it is a monthly power rank or if you say the power rank should take long term play into consideration. Also the number of games in combination with the gap in W/L percentages is way to high to argue with buildorders or gameplay against it.
So at the moment JD is #1 and Flash is somewhere between #2 and #4, depending on whether you choose long term strength or recent events for the ranking. the finest way to show the truth i will really but really be disappointed if the following pr wont give the man #1 give the guy what he deserves already Since when did Power Rank turn into Win:Loss Rank? You know what, screw Plexa, FakeSteve, JWD and everybody else who has ever written a PR. These noobs know nothing about Starcraft! Let's instead make a program which will select top 10 players based on TLPD at the start of each month . Actually your sarcasm disqualifies yourself and it is an annoyance, but I'll still answer because it addresses the important point of WL rate vs. better game play. I am far away from saying the PR should only be determined by a WL rate, especially not by a monthly WL rate. This leads to strange deviations like Light making #2 on PR for one month out of nowhere only to vanish back in the void again just as quick. It should always respect the play a player has shown (for example Bisu this month was just insanely good and thus should be rewarded for it in PR), the matchups and opponents he has gotten (for example, Light had exclusively played T and Z when when he became #2) and not overvalue a buildorder loss against a lesser opponent. However, if a player consistently has won WAY MORE (80% vs. 65%) than another player for three month, every month, at any point, and over 40 games, then the player was just better at this time. There is just no possibility of arguing away such a big gap with matchups, gameplay, buildorder wins/losses etc. The big number of games played over such a long time will certainly have balanced out BO advantages, fluke wins and opponnents strength. I don't see how you can use 3 months as an arguement when Flash was in dual finals for the second time 2 months ago. Jaedong has been performing better than Flash one month. Before then Flash was floating far above the competition. Jaedong has been performing better than Flash for more than a month now. How much has flash played? Jaedong is first, but my honest guess is that Flash burned out and took a break after the finals was secured. Just wait undtil Violet v Flash to see how "slumping" he is.
I dont think a lot say Flash is slumping. Most even dont want him to go lower than top2. Its just JD has been playing way better than Flash the last 2-3 months and deserves to be #1 more than Flash
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you might want to stop at a month and a half, super arc. Not 2 to 3.
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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
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Before you argue that Flash has been better the last 3 months look at the games and statistics please. People have been so impressed with Flash's play that they totally missed that JD has been on a roll as well
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Right, we're 2/3rds of the way through July (which both have played barely any games) and that Finals was at the very end of May. That's not even 2 months. 1 and 2/3rds if you're being generous.
And I mean, people are posting THREE months. Urggh.
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On July 22 2010 21:56 TwoToneTerran wrote:Right, we're 2/3rds of the way through July (which both have played barely any games) and that Finals was at the very end of May. That's not even 2 months. 1 and 2/3rds if you're being generous. And I mean, people are posting THREE months. Urggh.
So you are saying that Flash played as dominantly as JD has played this month and last month? Because that's the only thing that will justify Flash remaining #1 on the PR.
Did you even watch any of the Flash games? They were so awful. Even the ones he won, were hardly a domination. How can you justify a player who looks so shaky being #1? When there are at least three others who look solid and even spectacular in every matchup.
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On July 22 2010 21:56 TwoToneTerran wrote:Right, we're 2/3rds of the way through July (which both have played barely any games) and that Finals was at the very end of May. That's not even 2 months. 1 and 2/3rds if you're being generous. And I mean, people are posting THREE months. Urggh.
I actually count the whole month of May too. The final was unfortunate yes, but JD still played awesome games that month
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On July 22 2010 17:39 Fenrax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2010 09:40 L0thar wrote:On July 22 2010 08:28 pvzvt wrote:On July 22 2010 07:46 Fenrax wrote:
JD has just played way better than Flash in the last 3 months (in every single one of them).
If you would choose the most JD biased starting point to count WL stats (the day after their final) JD is 15-3 while Flash is 8-8. But this would be unfair since the series DID happen and should be taken into consideration for comparing these two. The most Flash biased starting point you could possibly choose is exactly the day after Flashs loss to Effort and before his 3-0 over JD. But even then Flash is only 11-8, while JD is 15-6.
Another argument for Flash was his dominance during the last months. So lets check this for the last three month: If you go back to the beginning of May Flash is 26-14 while Jaedong is 28-7 - more wins and half the amount of losses for JD - an insane 80% winrate over 3 month vs. a very good 65%.
So it doesn't matter if you say it is a monthly power rank or if you say the power rank should take long term play into consideration. Also the number of games in combination with the gap in W/L percentages is way to high to argue with buildorders or gameplay against it.
So at the moment JD is #1 and Flash is somewhere between #2 and #4, depending on whether you choose long term strength or recent events for the ranking. the finest way to show the truth i will really but really be disappointed if the following pr wont give the man #1 give the guy what he deserves already Since when did Power Rank turn into Win:Loss Rank? You know what, screw Plexa, FakeSteve, JWD and everybody else who has ever written a PR. These noobs know nothing about Starcraft! Let's instead make a program which will select top 10 players based on TLPD at the start of each month . Actually your sarcasm disqualifies yourself and it is an annoyance, but I'll still answer because it addresses the important point of WL rate vs. better game play. I am far away from saying the PR should only be determined by a WL rate, especially not by a monthly WL rate. This leads to strange deviations like Light making #2 on PR for one month out of nowhere only to vanish back in the void again just as quick. It should always respect the play a player has shown (for example Bisu this month was just insanely good and thus should be rewarded for it in PR), the matchups and opponents he has gotten (for example, Light had exclusively played T and Z when when he became #2) and not overvalue a buildorder loss against a lesser opponent. However, if a player consistently has won WAY MORE (80% vs. 65%) than another player for three month, every month, at any point, and over 40 games, then the player was just better at this time. There is just no possibility of arguing away such a big gap with matchups, gameplay, buildorder wins/losses etc. The big number of games played over such a long time will certainly have balanced out BO advantages, fluke wins and opponnents strength.
You are still not looking at the whole picture. A litte example: Player A in one week goes 2:0 in PL, 3:2 in OSL and 3:2 in MSL. His record is 8:4..."measly" 66%. Player B goes 2:0 in PL and 3:0 in MSL, however he was already kicked from OSL, so he didn't play there. His record is 5:0, beastly 100%.
Now don't tell me you would say from that Player B is better. Two leagues are kinda more than one. And that's the thing with Flash and Jaedong. Flash got to two consecutive double finals (first time in BW history btw.) and has much busier schedule than Jaedong, who found himself kicked from OSL pretty soon and could concentrate more on his remaining matches. Therefore it was easier for him to keep better winning percentage.
And at the end of the day, Flash was still able to completely dismatle Jaedong eventhough he had a harder schedule.
That's the kind of information good PR writer needs to take into account as well, not just pure numbers.
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