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Yxes2211
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1587 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-23 04:03:51
July 23 2010 04:03 GMT
#821
On July 23 2010 12:59 tree.hugger wrote:
(P)Anyppi is really clearly the best player of these last three months. The kid just doesn't lose.


lol totally :p
Jaedong and Baby
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-23 04:46:04
July 23 2010 04:37 GMT
#822
On July 23 2010 08:10 Elroi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2010 01:18 Mortality wrote:
JD did not have a better May than Flash. Even if his win percentage was slightly higher, Flash was storming his way through both leagues and in general looked about as unbeatable as is humanly possible. The general prevailing thought was that Flash couldn't lose unless his opponent secured a sufficiently large early advantage.



Go back to the battle rapports and hype threads TLers as well as Korean pros thought that JD was the favorit to beat Flash when they met in May, even on Terran favored maps. So Flash wasn't as untouchable as you make it look like (even though he was ofc inhumanly good ).


I'm well aware of the fact that he wasn't untouchable. In fact, if you take a trip back in time, you'll see that I argued heavily against the people who were insisting that Flash had "surpassed bonjwa" (which was obviously bullshit -- he hasn't made bonjwa yet).

The reason why so many people thought JD would win is because JD had won every bo5 encounter with Flash up until that point. Up until then, the Flash-Jaedong rivalry had taken the bizarre turn that Flash would win if it was bo3 and JD would win if it was bo5.

Nevertheless, Flash was the stronger player in May.



Edit: Just because I know that some fanboy out there is going to get butt hurt, I'll say this very clearly: past results should always influence PR, but the further back in time, the less they matter. May is starting to get pretty far in the rear view mirror and it's starting to get to the point where Flash needs to offer up proof of his skill. He'll have chances to do that -- soon.

Hold thy horses. Keep thy dogs leashed. Muzzle thine mouths. The time where the #1 will be decided shall come soon.
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
July 23 2010 04:47 GMT
#823
On July 23 2010 12:59 tree.hugger wrote:
(P)Anyppi is really clearly the best player of these last three months. The kid just doesn't lose.


I don't like that guy. He could have at least added a tag to his name.
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
July 23 2010 04:52 GMT
#824
On July 23 2010 11:21 Tempest[OEC] wrote:
Are people really factoring in results from over two months ago? I mean c'mon people. It was tough to give Flash #1 this past month (Plexa has balls, Ill give him that), but now we're just robbing Jaedong of a well-deserved #1 spot. Even though the sample games are small but Junes and Julys games show that Jaedong has posted better results.


The sample games are small only for Flash because his team felt it was necessary to withheld him from many PL games. Jaedong is still 9-2 this month and has 2 MSL matches against Kal (which he will surely win) and 1 OSL game. The same if for flash, so even if we assume both players will win all 3 games, Flash is still only 6-2 and JD is 12-2. The records not only speak for themselves, but Jaedong has won against better competition and has only one bad loss. Flash was crushed by both Effort and Light. In the end, Flash should NOT get another free month of leeway. We have enough games from the last two months to judge who is currently the better player, and that player is Jaedong.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-23 04:58:55
July 23 2010 04:58 GMT
#825
Rofl, JAEDONG WILL SURELY WIN

Jesus christ

edit -- to clarify I'm disgusted at this notion of yours that Jaedong has automatically secure the #1 place despite neither him nor Flash finishing their games for this month.
Remember Violet.
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
July 23 2010 05:02 GMT
#826
On July 23 2010 13:58 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Rofl, JAEDONG WILL SURELY WIN

Jesus christ


?
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-23 05:15:53
July 23 2010 05:05 GMT
#827
On July 23 2010 13:58 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Rofl, JAEDONG WILL SURELY WIN

Jesus christ

edit -- to clarify I'm disgusted at this notion of yours that Jaedong has automatically secure the #1 place despite neither him nor Flash finishing their games for this month.


Uh, of course if JD drops MSL or OSL he should not be #1. I never suggested such a thing and if you actually read my post you would see that if both players advance, Jaedong is quite clearly the player more deserving.

edit: I even said I think Flash will win his games in my post and yet you automatically mark me as a Jaedong fanboy. Does it keep you up at night of the mere thought that maybe, just maybe, Flash is not currently the best player?
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
July 23 2010 05:47 GMT
#828
You literally just said Jaedong will surely win his games, and that once that happens he's the guaranteed best player because he'll have a percentage wise better record. I don't give a shit what you're a fanboy of, the post was just ridiculous. It wasn't just "If they both advance" -- that'd be fine, you said Jaedong definitely will and once he does he's #1. There's no ifs in that conclusion, you're set in your ways.

I've dealt with Flash not being the best player for 2 years, I can handle people asserting he isn't for one month. The post was dumb though.
Remember Violet.
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
July 23 2010 05:55 GMT
#829
On July 23 2010 14:47 TwoToneTerran wrote:
You literally just said Jaedong will surely win his games.


On July 23 2010 13:52 setzer wrote:
... so even if we assume both players will win all 3 games...

Jaedong
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
July 23 2010 05:57 GMT
#830
On July 23 2010 14:55 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2010 14:47 TwoToneTerran wrote:
You literally just said Jaedong will surely win his games.


Show nested quote +
On July 23 2010 13:52 setzer wrote:
... so even if we assume both players will win all 3 games...



(which he will surely win)

Man that seems really familiar?
Remember Violet.
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
July 23 2010 05:58 GMT
#831
Good point. I wish there was a hats off smiley for occasions such as this.
Jaedong
setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
July 23 2010 06:05 GMT
#832
On July 23 2010 14:47 TwoToneTerran wrote:
You literally just said Jaedong will surely win his games, and that once that happens he's the guaranteed best player because he'll have a percentage wise better record. I don't give a shit what you're a fanboy of, the post was just ridiculous. It wasn't just "If they both advance" -- that'd be fine, you said Jaedong definitely will and once he does he's #1. There's no ifs in that conclusion, you're set in your ways.

I've dealt with Flash not being the best player for 2 years, I can handle people asserting he isn't for one month. The post was dumb though.


This vitriolic behavior is completely unneeded. You don't have to lash out at anyone who disagrees with you and label their post as "dumb," even though you completely misread my part of saying I think Flash will easily win his games too. The post was only ridiculous to you because I think JD deserves #1 over Flash (if they both win their games). And YES I would be "set in my ways" if JD finished 12-2 and Flash 6-2. There is NO reasonable argument for putting Flash above JD if that happens.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-23 07:53:02
July 23 2010 07:50 GMT
#833
Argh it's not even that I necessarily disagree with you, I don't really care which either of Flash or Jaedong is #1, I care that you have these outrageous preconceptions of who will "surely" win and then you make a power rank based on that.

also, 12-2 and 6-2, sounds like Jaedong just got to play in proleague more?

And yeah there would be a reasonable argument, that's what I'm saying, even if you disagree and think it should be purely statistical. Like I said, if Jaedong plays like complete garbage and still wins, and Flash plays like a masterclass player and still wins, then there is reasonable debate. Or even if Jaedong plays alright and Flash does what Plexa expects him to -- show that he is the Flash we've come to know over this past year. There's plenty of reasons that aren't yours and the lack of brevity in your assumptions is like, well

I once said I make it a habit to bash my face into any brick wall I meet.
Remember Violet.
okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5779 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-23 12:40:02
July 23 2010 12:38 GMT
#834
On July 22 2010 20:47 TwoToneTerran wrote:
you might want to stop at a month and a half, super arc. Not 2 to 3.

I realized already some months ago that SuperArc's claims make much more sense when you divide them in half.
Flash fan before it was cool | Coiner of "jangbang"
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
July 23 2010 13:36 GMT
#835
On July 23 2010 21:38 okum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2010 20:47 TwoToneTerran wrote:
you might want to stop at a month and a half, super arc. Not 2 to 3.

I realized already some months ago that SuperArc's claims make much more sense when you divide them in half.


I take that as a compliment.
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
Tianx
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States1196 Posts
July 23 2010 13:41 GMT
#836
On July 23 2010 22 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              23 2010 22      end_of_the_skype_highlighting begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              23 2010 22      end_of_the_skype_highlighting begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              23 2010 22      end_of_the_skype_highlighting:36 SuperArc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2010 21:38 okum wrote:
On July 22 2010 20:47 TwoToneTerran wrote:
you might want to stop at a month and a half, super arc. Not 2 to 3.

I realized already some months ago that SuperArc's claims make much more sense when you divide them in half.


I take that as a compliment.

Considering how often people correctly call you out as one of the worst posters on this site, being told there's the smallest grain truth in all your drivel must be the most lavish of praise.

User was warned for this post
Intrigue: "as i've said to many others your troubles in life may be directly correlated to your dirty protoss icon"
pvzvt
Profile Joined October 2009
Israel2097 Posts
July 23 2010 14:42 GMT
#837
On July 23 2010 21:38 okum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2010 20:47 TwoToneTerran wrote:
you might want to stop at a month and a half, super arc. Not 2 to 3.

I realized already some months ago that SuperArc's claims make much more sense when you divide them in half.

makes sense
so thats why i didnt feel a thing back there
i say we dust off and nuke it from orbit
n.DieJokes
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3443 Posts
July 23 2010 14:47 GMT
#838
On July 23 2010 22:41 Tianx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2010 22 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              23 2010 22      end_of_the_skype_highlighting begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              23 2010 22      end_of_the_skype_highlighting begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              23 2010 22      end_of_the_skype_highlighting:36 SuperArc wrote:
On July 23 2010 21:38 okum wrote:
On July 22 2010 20:47 TwoToneTerran wrote:
you might want to stop at a month and a half, super arc. Not 2 to 3.

I realized already some months ago that SuperArc's claims make much more sense when you divide them in half.


I take that as a compliment.

Considering how often people correctly call you out as one of the worst posters on this site, being told there's the smallest grain truth in all your drivel must be the most lavish of praise.

Whoa, relax there; that was pretty uncalled for. SuperArc is at least respectful (and imo his posting is getting better), there's no reason why you shouldn't be.
MyLove + Your Love= Supa Love
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-23 16:12:44
July 23 2010 16:12 GMT
#839
On July 23 2010 14:57 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2010 14:55 Avidkeystamper wrote:
On July 23 2010 14:47 TwoToneTerran wrote:
You literally just said Jaedong will surely win his games.


On July 23 2010 13:52 setzer wrote:
... so even if we assume both players will win all 3 games...



(which he will surely win)

Man that seems really familiar?


That was only said about the series against kal, so um...


?
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-23 17:33:47
July 23 2010 17:31 GMT
#840
On July 23 2010 11:21 Tempest[OEC] wrote:
Are people really factoring in results from over two months ago? I mean c'mon people. It was tough to give Flash #1 this past month (Plexa has balls, Ill give him that), but now we're just robbing Jaedong of a well-deserved #1 spot. Even though the sample games are small but Junes and Julys games show that Jaedong has posted better results.

Hold on a second.
For new readers, we're not arguing that because of games 3 months ago any player should be #1 or #2....

To clarify:
The debate started with a statement that Jaedong should be #1 because he's been playing better lately, and someone said that he's been playing better than flash for 3 months.
So we started a discussion about that.


Feel free to post your oppinion but stop assuming things without knowing where the discussion started.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
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