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On July 18 2010 02:00 Mortality wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2010 01:53 Cpadolf wrote:On July 18 2010 00:17 Mortality wrote:
Onto last night: Is Bisu back? Still I say I want to see more games against top players, but right now all signs point to yes. Well, if he wins vs Sea he will most likely end up facing Flash Jaedong or Effort in a Bo5 next month in the MSL. Then we will know for sure  Really? Has Bisu's KeSPA rank dropped so low? (Hmmm... he was ranked 23rd in June...) I guess maybe we might see Bisu vs Effort, but I think Flash and JD are safe until Ro4.
Actually, if all the top voted players from the MSL Ro16 thread wins, and the Ro8 brackets are instantly created on the 31st, Bisu will be the lowest Kespa ranked player and face Flash (and Stats will be second to last and face Jaedong again, lol).
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On July 18 2010 02:38 Cpadolf wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2010 02:00 Mortality wrote:On July 18 2010 01:53 Cpadolf wrote:On July 18 2010 00:17 Mortality wrote:
Onto last night: Is Bisu back? Still I say I want to see more games against top players, but right now all signs point to yes. Well, if he wins vs Sea he will most likely end up facing Flash Jaedong or Effort in a Bo5 next month in the MSL. Then we will know for sure Really? Has Bisu's KeSPA rank dropped so low? (Hmmm... he was ranked 23rd in June...) I guess maybe we might see Bisu vs Effort, but I think Flash and JD are safe until Ro4. Actually, if all the top voted players from the MSL Ro16 thread wins, and the Ro8 brackets are instantly created on the 31st, Bisu will be the lowest Kespa ranked player and face Flash (and Stats will be second to last and face Jaedong again, lol).
Wow. Didn't realize. That's pretty crazy. Or I guess not that crazy. But it feels odd that Bisu would be the lowest KeSPA ranked.
On July 18 2010 02:31 disciple wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2010 02:22 yanmaodao wrote:
Bisu's KeSPA rank has dropped enough that he won't be invited to WCG Korea next month. Yes, it got that bad. Snow hasn't risen fast enough to pierce the top 24 of the July rankings. That means that my two favorite sons of Auir won't take part. I'll have to rest my faith in a bird/dinosaur hybrid, a baller chin, or some resurgent smugness.
And man, if Bisu takes out Flash in the MSL, I'd say he's in the best form he's been, ever. He's never taken out Flash or Jaedong in a Bo5 before. He beat Flash in two Bo3's (Gom Classic, WCG Korea 2009) and lost once (an MSL a while back), but that's it, from my memory. I think they will invite him somehow, given that he won the tournament last year. Besides, I really think that Bisu with his low KeSPa rank is making the MSL wide open. No top ranked player can feel comfortable about his possible Ro8 opponent, knowing that there is a S-class behemoth- lurking and getting stronger with every match he wins
Which makes me happy. Lord this makes me happy.
Bisu's points just shot up in my book.
I don't like the current MSL format. They're trying to set it up so the best man wins and I can respect that, but they've set it up so that the best men often get almost free rides into the Ro4. It was different back when they did double elimination. Many times a finalist would get knocked into the loser's bracket early on and then crawl his way to the top and that created an exciting story.
It removes much of the drama of a story unless someone is waaaaaaaay under-ranked. And I know people will point out that good bracketing usually pairs up top players with weak players so that there's a high probability of top players meeting in the final, but jury rigging to the extent MSL does is a bit different.
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On July 18 2010 02:38 Cpadolf wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2010 02:00 Mortality wrote:On July 18 2010 01:53 Cpadolf wrote:On July 18 2010 00:17 Mortality wrote:
Onto last night: Is Bisu back? Still I say I want to see more games against top players, but right now all signs point to yes. Well, if he wins vs Sea he will most likely end up facing Flash Jaedong or Effort in a Bo5 next month in the MSL. Then we will know for sure Really? Has Bisu's KeSPA rank dropped so low? (Hmmm... he was ranked 23rd in June...) I guess maybe we might see Bisu vs Effort, but I think Flash and JD are safe until Ro4. Actually, if all the top voted players from the MSL Ro16 thread wins, and the Ro8 brackets are instantly created on the 31st, Bisu will be the lowest Kespa ranked player and face Flash (and Stats will be second to last and face Jaedong again, lol).
As a Bisu fan, that is a very scary thought.
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
On July 15 2010 06:57 ]343[ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2010 04:33 disciple wrote:On July 15 2010 03:44 nonduc wrote:
Bo5 between Bisu and Jaedong in March 1st 2009 wasn’t a “god honest” one because Bisu lost, was it? you nailed it it wasn't a good match because bisu's defense was 2/10
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On July 15 2010 09:32 L0thar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2010 08:36 Pandain wrote:
I've been wondering something. Why has Flash not been playing in the KT PL games as of late? Is it because they want Flash to have secret strats, is it because they're helping him get to his prime, or simply because he's not as hot as he used to be? Feedback? It's all mindgames! Step 1: Send Flash to every single ace match and let him destroy all opposition. -> result: everybody start to pracice his ass off specifically against Flash. Step 2: When your are guaranteed #1 place, let Flash begin to lose in ace matches. -> result: everyone thinks it's working, their hours of training come to fruition. Step 3: Stop playing Flash altogether. -> result: everyone is thinking Flash is preparing some sick builds for PL finals and train against him even harder than before. Step 4: PL Grand Finals ace match...Hoejja out of nowhere! -> result: opponent goes crazy and write in ingame chat "Hoejja? Hoejja?!? Are you fucking kidding me?!" and is disqualified. KT is PL champion! Or maybe they though "Well, Flash has already most wins this season, but he couldn't make 60 as he wanted anyway, may as well let him rest"...that's another possibility.
Get PPP'ed like Leta! Mindgames too... Wonder what the finals and upcoming MSL/OSL will show us.
On July 15 2010 18:20 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Hey look at that looks like Stats over Free is making some sense now.
Know why?
Because Stats is a motherfucking beast and a half. No one's stoppin dat chin.
I'm really agreeing with you. I wrote that his PvZ was suspect but it's starting to look pretty good. I still want to see some more long-term results though.
Also Bisu, damn.
And at this rate unless Flash really kicks it up for MSL/OSL Jaedong needs to be #1 >.<
Even though he lost to s2 lolol
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Bisu is back baby!
Almost making me cry to see him @ top 10 again. Hope you reclaim the number 1 spot once again!
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On July 18 2010 06:09 TsaoToss wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2010 02:38 Cpadolf wrote:On July 18 2010 02:00 Mortality wrote:On July 18 2010 01:53 Cpadolf wrote:On July 18 2010 00:17 Mortality wrote:
Onto last night: Is Bisu back? Still I say I want to see more games against top players, but right now all signs point to yes. Well, if he wins vs Sea he will most likely end up facing Flash Jaedong or Effort in a Bo5 next month in the MSL. Then we will know for sure Really? Has Bisu's KeSPA rank dropped so low? (Hmmm... he was ranked 23rd in June...) I guess maybe we might see Bisu vs Effort, but I think Flash and JD are safe until Ro4. Actually, if all the top voted players from the MSL Ro16 thread wins, and the Ro8 brackets are instantly created on the 31st, Bisu will be the lowest Kespa ranked player and face Flash (and Stats will be second to last and face Jaedong again, lol). As a Bisu fan, that is a very scary thought.
I don't like that system. It really means that people who are a little streaky or just starting to make a name for themselves are really hold back and have little chances of advancing. Really sucks cause Bisu is definately better than more than half the players left (I am no Bisu fan but it's just true). In addition everyone knows that Kespa rankings suck and will probably give a lot of mediocre players easy routes to far stages.
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KeSPA rankings don't really "suck" persay, it's just that what they measure is not really what people are looking for when they look at them. KeSPA rank rewards people who have accomplished a lot, but in order to generate a ranking, it has to use a lot of old data and the results don't change very fast to reflect new changes in metagame.
Power Rank is probably the closest to what people are looking for, but then people always complain when their opinions don't agree (note: I am not just referring to this month... go back and look at basically every Power rank ever. In fact the very first Power Rank generated controversy when Anytime was placed over NaDa even though NaDa won OSL over Anytime, and then there was Nal_Ra being low even though he was playing really well at that time, and Bisu being low, which in retrospect is kind of laughable, but he hadn't yet killed Savior). It's that there aren't enough statistics generated on a weekly basis to really, truly, objectively give people what they want. Sometimes a top player might play 20+ games in a month, in which case it's easy to see. Sometimes he'll 10-0 stomp over tough competition. But it's usually not that open-and-shut.
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
^Rofl you had the 666th comment.
Edit: one above. Damn you Mr. M!
Over 2/3 of the way to 1000th now!
Hmm.
BaBy really needs to drop on the PR next month. I wouldn't be surprised if he went down completely.
On July 18 2010 07:19 luckybeni2 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2010 06:09 TsaoToss wrote:On July 18 2010 02:38 Cpadolf wrote:On July 18 2010 02:00 Mortality wrote:On July 18 2010 01:53 Cpadolf wrote:On July 18 2010 00:17 Mortality wrote:
Onto last night: Is Bisu back? Still I say I want to see more games against top players, but right now all signs point to yes. Well, if he wins vs Sea he will most likely end up facing Flash Jaedong or Effort in a Bo5 next month in the MSL. Then we will know for sure Really? Has Bisu's KeSPA rank dropped so low? (Hmmm... he was ranked 23rd in June...) I guess maybe we might see Bisu vs Effort, but I think Flash and JD are safe until Ro4. Actually, if all the top voted players from the MSL Ro16 thread wins, and the Ro8 brackets are instantly created on the 31st, Bisu will be the lowest Kespa ranked player and face Flash (and Stats will be second to last and face Jaedong again, lol). As a Bisu fan, that is a very scary thought. I don't like that system. It really means that people who are a little streaky or just starting to make a name for themselves are really hold back and have little chances of advancing. Really sucks cause Bisu is definately better than more than half the players left (I am no Bisu fan but it's just true). In addition everyone knows that Kespa rankings suck and will probably give a lot of mediocre players easy routes to far stages.
I mean, if you were KeSPA and MBC wouldn't you want to save the best matches for last? Advertising power! Tennis tournaments do this too. Yeah, it sucks to be the streaky one or someone just starting to make a name for themselves, but you want to keep the better players away from each other for as long as possible, hence the pretty much half-pre-planned Ro32 selection ceremonies.
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The closest you can get to seeing who is playing well right now is ELO ranking system. Its a fairly accurate depiction of who is on top and who is faltering.
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On July 18 2010 06:53 flamewheel wrote:
And at this rate unless Flash really kicks it up for MSL/OSL Jaedong needs to be #1 >.<
Even though he lost to s2 lolol
How can Jaedong possibly take #1 over Flash? He hasn't even played in the Proleague playoffs!
(please ignore the fact that Flash hasn't either, it doesn't count because HE PLAYED SO WELL LAST MONTH that his team earned a free berth.)
Also iirc, it was proven in the replay that Jaedong actually force-killed a probe in Bisu's wall and ran in that way?
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On July 18 2010 11:41 Niton wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2010 06:53 flamewheel wrote:
And at this rate unless Flash really kicks it up for MSL/OSL Jaedong needs to be #1 >.<
Even though he lost to s2 lolol (please ignore the fact that Flash hasn't either, it doesn't count because HE PLAYED SO WELL LAST MONTH that his team earned a free berth.)
Actually, Flash played shitty last month. His team had a very large lead because he and KT played so well BEFORE last month, and because STX, the second place team, played shitty as well.
If Flash plays well in Playoffs, that should count in his favor. If he plays shitty in playoffs, it should be held against him.
But Flash can play a maximum of two games in Playoffs anyway, because the final is a single Bo7.
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+ Show Spoiler +On July 18 2010 06:09 TsaoToss wrote:On July 18 2010 02:38 Cpadolf wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2010 02:00 Mortality wrote:On July 18 2010 01:53 Cpadolf wrote:On July 18 2010 00:17 Mortality wrote:
Onto last night: Is Bisu back? Still I say I want to see more games against top players, but right now all signs point to yes. Well, if he wins vs Sea he will most likely end up facing Flash Jaedong or Effort in a Bo5 next month in the MSL. Then we will know for sure Really? Has Bisu's KeSPA rank dropped so low? (Hmmm... he was ranked 23rd in June...) I guess maybe we might see Bisu vs Effort, but I think Flash and JD are safe until Ro4. Actually, if all the top voted players from the MSL Ro16 thread wins, and the Ro8 brackets are instantly created on the 31st, Bisu will be the lowest Kespa ranked player and face Flash (and Stats will be second to last and face Jaedong again, lol). As a Bisu fan, that is a very scary thought.
If we actually see some upsets (Hyuk over fantasy or roro over light) Bisu could face Jaedong as well. Or if both upsets happen then we can expect Bisu to face the 3rd highest KeSPA ranked player. Save the big names for later. Haha.
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Wait. Playoffs are best of 3 Bo7s, but final is just one single Bo7?? Really?
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On July 18 2010 11:41 Niton wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2010 06:53 flamewheel wrote:
And at this rate unless Flash really kicks it up for MSL/OSL Jaedong needs to be #1 >.<
Even though he lost to s2 lolol How can Jaedong possibly take #1 over Flash? He hasn't even played in the Proleague playoffs! (please ignore the fact that Flash hasn't either, it doesn't count because HE PLAYED SO WELL LAST MONTH that his team earned a free berth.) Also iirc, it was proven in the replay that Jaedong actually force-killed a probe in Bisu's wall and ran in that way?
I'm not sure if you're trying to be funny, but Flash's posted results were not good last month. Granted Flash has been playing mostly good, solid SC even when he loses (though not always... Ruby game, Light game), but last month was his benefit of the doubt for going gold-silver including a 3-0 curb stomping of JD. He's only played 2 games since last PR (note: the MSL games played July 1 were counted towards last PR), but when he does play again, he'll have to show something or else he'll have to drop.
There are too many other players who have been strong lately that deserve credit for Flash to keep #1 if he continues flailing around. JD, Effort, Bisu, and Fantasy are starting to look like they all deserve higher.
I'm a liiiiiiiiiittle hesitant to put Bisu over Flash since we haven't seen Bisu win a PvP in forever (not since April, and he's lost 4 of them since then), but his PvZ and PvT are starting to look every bit as sublime as they used to.
Effort is back on a roll after his post OSL slump, now 5-1 so far in July (3-1 since last PR) and dropping a ZvT to Light is no shame (Light is 18-1 in TvZ since Winner's League started, and his game before that was a win).
JD needs no introduction, is in both leagues and is on a 6 game win streak (7-2 in total since last PR, 9-2 so far this July, fairly difficult opponent's list too).
Fantasy started to turn it back "on" in May and is 18-8 since with all but 1 of his losses to noteworthy Terran killers. + Show Spoiler +And I don't think dropping 2 TvT's to SkyHigh in the Playoffs should be held against him. SkyHigh is now on a 9 game win streak in TvT and after tonight will now have the #1 vs Terran ELO of any player of any race. Kid cannot be stopped by Terran.
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On July 18 2010 12:17 WWJDD wrote:
Wait. Playoffs are best of 3 Bo7s, but final is just one single Bo7?? Really?
Literally because the proleague sponsors don't want to rent out the beach the finals are played on for 3 days. It's one of the biggest disappoints in progaming this year for me that we won't even get a properly long finals.
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Isn't it a big money maker though? Last year the audience was huuuuuuuuuge. It looked packed and there were so many chairs. Must have been 10000 people.
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On July 18 2010 15:02 Mortality wrote:
Isn't it a big money maker though? Last year the audience was huuuuuuuuuge. It looked packed and there were so many chairs. Must have been 10000 people.
There were a lot less for day 1 though, which is the point. If the final is played over multiple days the venue will only be filled on the final day.
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Im hoping that Bisu rises in rank a little next month. All depends on how well he does in his MSL Match and any OSL games he may play.
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Light, Skyhigh, Bisu, Best, Snow - current champions of playoffs
forgot Shine and Pure
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baby really is not playing well. i don't know what happened; i think the kid's psychological game is not strong. i've been a huge baby fan for a long time now but this is simply not the guy we thought was going to start winning starleagues awhile ago. awful 
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