EPTOn July 15 2010 04:33 TwoToneTerran wrote:
It wasn't a god honest one because it was a show match.
It wasn't a god honest one because it was a show match.
They asked for an extra week to practice...
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De4ngus
United States6533 Posts
They asked for an extra week to practice... | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
Wasn't that because they had other leagues and proleague to attend to? | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
Wait at least a couple weeks before reading too much into Bisu's current form. And for the record, when it comes to ZvP, I will never forget... ...That Terato broke down in tears just for being placed against Savior in MSL. And then this happened: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/3474_sAviOr_vs_TerAtO/vod God damn it Savior. God damn it. Why did you have to lose your edge? Why did you have to sell your soul to the devil? You were a fucking giant among giants. Just... damn it. | ||
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L0thar
987 Posts
On July 15 2010 08:36 Pandain wrote: I've been wondering something. Why has Flash not been playing in the KT PL games as of late? Is it because they want Flash to have secret strats, is it because they're helping him get to his prime, or simply because he's not as hot as he used to be? Feedback? It's all mindgames! Step 1: Send Flash to every single ace match and let him destroy all opposition. -> result: everybody start to pracice his ass off specifically against Flash. Step 2: When your are guaranteed #1 place, let Flash begin to lose in ace matches. -> result: everyone thinks it's working, their hours of training come to fruition. Step 3: Stop playing Flash altogether. -> result: everyone is thinking Flash is preparing some sick builds for PL finals and train against him even harder than before. Step 4: PL Grand Finals ace match...Hoejja out of nowhere! -> result: opponent goes crazy and write in ingame chat "Hoejja? Hoejja?!? Are you fucking kidding me?!" and is disqualified. KT is PL champion! Or maybe they though "Well, Flash has already most wins this season, but he couldn't make 60 as he wanted anyway, may as well let him rest"...that's another possibility. | ||
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Ideas
United States8180 Posts
On July 15 2010 08:36 Pandain wrote: I've been wondering something. Why has Flash not been playing in the KT PL games as of late? Is it because they want Flash to have secret strats, is it because they're helping him get to his prime, or simply because he's not as hot as he used to be? Feedback? im sure that since they already had #1 no matter what they just decided to let their rookies get some more experience | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On July 15 2010 14:03 Ideas wrote: im sure that since they already had #1 no matter what they just decided to let their rookies get some more experience This is correct. If the games mattered they would have sent Flash one would think. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
Know why? Because Stats is a motherfucking beast and a half. No one's stoppin dat chin. | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
On July 15 2010 18:20 TwoToneTerran wrote: Hey look at that looks like Stats over Free is making some sense now. Know why? Because Stats is a motherfucking beast and a half. No one's stoppin dat chin. after his msl group, I cant find a weak point in his play. Not one. | ||
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WWJDD
India342 Posts
On July 16 2010 05:45 Iplaythings wrote: after his msl group, I cant find a weak point in his play. Not one. His PvZ is still very very suspect. Besides the maps being not so favorable for PvZ. As well as the current PvZ imbalance. | ||
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DracoVolantus
Poland236 Posts
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LetMeShine
979 Posts
On July 16 2010 06:14 WWJDD wrote: His PvZ is still very very suspect. Besides the maps being not so favorable for PvZ. As well as the current PvZ imbalance. Not really. Stats in general is fairly unremarkable but unmistakably rock solid. There hasn't been a true clearly protoss favored map in ages and ZvP has forever been imbalanced except for a small time when zergs had no clue how to deal with the Bisu build. That said, its pretty much been solved with zerg simcities where its up to the zerg to completely screw up because one small mistake means you're going down as protoss. I forgot though, its your posting gimmick (which has never been funny) to be like this. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On July 16 2010 06:14 WWJDD wrote: His PvZ is still very very suspect. Besides the maps being not so favorable for PvZ. As well as the current PvZ imbalance. Stats has a winning record against both Zero and Effort with wins in very recent memory. The only reason his record isn't +60% is because he had to run into Jaedong 5 times and is still a damn rookie. He is easily top 5 protoss and if you take into account being good in all three matchups he may very well be the best protoss around right now with Kal slumping, Bisu being suspect overall still, Stork disappearing, and Free's permanently suspect PvP and PvZ. Stats has been good for the entire season and has only shown signs of getting better and better as he wins more. He isn't as prevalent as to have some snippy trademark like Bisu Harass, Best Macro, or Stork forgetting to research range (love you stork), but goddamn if he isn't atleast good at everything protoss does. He's got great storms, great reaver control, great macro, great micro, great management and large army control, great game sense (more in deciding when and how to attack than Savior or flash style game sense). He's fucking great and I will argue to the death anyone that calls him suspect. He's actually the least suspect protoss around, his only flaw is that he hasn't shown any truly S-class domination. | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8556 Posts
 Good to see his finally closing out games now. | ||
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Nick_54
United States2230 Posts
On July 16 2010 06:14 WWJDD wrote: His PvZ is still very very suspect. Besides the maps being not so favorable for PvZ. As well as the current PvZ imbalance. For once I agree with you. That egg he laid against Hydra brought up huge warning flags in my mind. Maybe he will prove me wrong though, who knows. | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
On July 16 2010 10:18 Nick_54 wrote: For once I agree with you. That egg he laid against Hydra brought up huge warning flags in my mind. Maybe he will prove me wrong though, who knows. I was also not happy with his play against Hydra, but damn it, how is his PvZ suspect? What I mean is, if you say Stats has "suspect" PvZ, then doesn't that mean literally every Protoss player out there except maybe Bisu has suspect PvZ? Fun fact: Stats is #4 in PvZ ELO. Fun fact: Stat's highest ELO rating is in the PvZ match-up. His current PvZ ELO is higher than his ELO peak in any other match-up. Now, I ain't trying to say that PvZ is his best or that I'd feel confident in him winning a bo5 against Effort or Jaedong, but saying his PvZ is suspect is like saying anything less than S-class performance is suspect. And that's just bullshit. | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
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Nick_54
United States2230 Posts
On July 16 2010 11:08 Mortality wrote: I was also not happy with his play against Hydra, but damn it, how is his PvZ suspect? What I mean is, if you say Stats has "suspect" PvZ, then doesn't that mean literally every Protoss player out there except maybe Bisu has suspect PvZ? Fun fact: Stats is #4 in PvZ ELO. Fun fact: Stat's highest ELO rating is in the PvZ match-up. His current PvZ ELO is higher than his ELO peak in any other match-up. Now, I ain't trying to say that PvZ is his best or that I'd feel confident in him winning a bo5 against Effort or Jaedong, but saying his PvZ is suspect is like saying anything less than S-class performance is suspect. And that's just bullshit. Idk I guess the games against hydra and roro left bad impressions on me. What I mean by suspect is I don't trust him to win bo series against zerg players the way I would be more confident in his vs t or p. I guess we will find out if im right or wrong in MSL soon. He lost a bo3 pvz to a player he should've beaten in the most prestigious starleague, I supposed that is suspect to me. | ||
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LetMeShine
979 Posts
On July 16 2010 12:36 Nick_54 wrote: Idk I guess the games against hydra and roro left bad impressions on me. What I mean by suspect is I don't trust him to win bo series against zerg players the way I would be more confident in his vs t or p. I guess we will find out if im right or wrong in MSL soon. He lost a bo3 pvz to a player he should've beaten in the most prestigious starleague, I supposed that is suspect to me. Dude, he's playing PvZ. Any protoss has a good chance of getting knocked out by any random zerg no matter how good he is because of the nature of PvZ. As much as we'd like to talk about Starcraft's amazing balance, PvZ is not remotely balanced. The observer can see the whole map while the protoss player cannot so we'd often cry about protoss players being dumb, and while often they are, they just can't see it coming because of a whole lot of factors within PvZ (zerg mobility, zerg macro mechanics, etc). A lot of the time, the protoss (ie Jangbi in the MSL) only make fairly small mistakes but it just snowballs into defeat because making those mistakes just means you're going to get slaughtered by any decent zerg. Stats is good but unremarkable. No shit he's probably going to lose 3-0 to Effort or Jaedong in a series match because those two have good raw mechanics as well are clearly know how to make a proper simcity - literally the only two things you need to beat any protoss 95% of the time. But to say he's suspect at PvZ is incorrect because he's as solid as a normal A level player can pretty much get right now at the matchup. | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
On July 16 2010 12:36 Nick_54 wrote: Idk I guess the games against hydra and roro left bad impressions on me. What I mean by suspect is I don't trust him to win bo series against zerg players the way I would be more confident in his vs t or p. I guess we will find out if im right or wrong in MSL soon. He lost a bo3 pvz to a player he should've beaten in the most prestigious starleague, I supposed that is suspect to me. I was also unhappy with how things went. But in all fairness, currently Z is >>> P and the maps favor Zerg to boot. Eye (where Stats won) is 33-20 (Z>P). Dreamliner has too small a sample to statsitically infer anything but I'd point out that the only Protoss wins were Bisu over hyvaa and Free over a slumping Calm. Grand Line SE has 4-2 ZvP stats which again form too small a sample, but if we combine with the stats from Grand Line, we get 9-5, again a small sample, but it starts to point to a Z>P balance. Which I would support based on my own opinions of the map. This OSL isn't shaping up too well for Protoss. The only ones to qualify for the Ro16 without seeds were Free, Bisu and Stork and Stork didn't have to play PvZ. | ||
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