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Wow, I didn't know that page existed. I just got done drooling over it and making others listen as I spouted out stats to them. Jaedong is currently on a 19-0 streak against hite lasting almost 2 years? Now, that's a fun fact.
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On July 14 2010 01:17 danl9rm wrote:Wow, I didn't know that page existed. I just got done drooling over it and making others listen as I spouted out stats to them. Jaedong is currently on a 19-0 streak against hite lasting almost 2 years? Now, that's a fun fact.
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On July 12 2010 01:58 nonduc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2010 01:39 Oystein wrote:On July 12 2010 01:28 nonduc wrote:On July 12 2010 01:07 Nick_54 wrote:On July 12 2010 00:28 Shikyo wrote:On July 11 2010 19:19 DracoVolantus wrote:
Any Zerg ZvP streaks are pitiful compared to Bisu's PvZ streaks, he wins with such dominant fashion, it is so obvious nobody can stop him when he is at top form that reading what You wrote above makes my eyes hurt. I actually went to check his match history because you said something like that, and he's never had a streak that's even close or somewhat comparable. Stop talking trash please. Bisu's 30-10 through his last 40 pvz slump and all. Jaedong's 32-8 in his last 40 zvp. None of Bisu's streaks dwarf Jaedong's obviously and Jaedong might even have a slight edge, but I think Bisu is at least comparable. What streaks or stats are you talking about? Nope. Bisu is only 27–13 in his last PvZ according to TLPD: link. And in TLPD the loss to JD 0–2 in Semis of WCG 2009 GF is missed (and it’s counted by Fomos, see here or here). Actually it’s 26–14 in last 40 games, only 65%. Good, but not great. lol, your including offline qualifier games and special event games and by doing so is cutting of a 5 game winstreak he has in the start of the 40 game stretch otherwise. In Kespa sanctioned official games he is indeed 30-10 in his last 40. Nope. In his last regular PvZ games Bisu is 28–12 (2009.03.15—2010.07.10). You can check Fomos DB for regular games too: regular games only. EDIT: The YGosu DB has 28–12 for last regular Bisu’s PvZ too. Just checked. EDIT2: JD in his last 40 regular ZvP is 32–8 (2009.02.11—2010.07.10).
And brazil is 30-0 against asian teams in football... How can you even compare bisu's and JD's streaks in this MU? You go find another toss with a record remotely similar to Bisu's....
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On July 14 2010 15:25 disciple wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2010 01:58 nonduc wrote:On July 12 2010 01:39 Oystein wrote:On July 12 2010 01:28 nonduc wrote:On July 12 2010 01:07 Nick_54 wrote:On July 12 2010 00:28 Shikyo wrote:On July 11 2010 19:19 DracoVolantus wrote:
Any Zerg ZvP streaks are pitiful compared to Bisu's PvZ streaks, he wins with such dominant fashion, it is so obvious nobody can stop him when he is at top form that reading what You wrote above makes my eyes hurt. I actually went to check his match history because you said something like that, and he's never had a streak that's even close or somewhat comparable. Stop talking trash please. Bisu's 30-10 through his last 40 pvz slump and all. Jaedong's 32-8 in his last 40 zvp. None of Bisu's streaks dwarf Jaedong's obviously and Jaedong might even have a slight edge, but I think Bisu is at least comparable. What streaks or stats are you talking about? Nope. Bisu is only 27–13 in his last PvZ according to TLPD: link. And in TLPD the loss to JD 0–2 in Semis of WCG 2009 GF is missed (and it’s counted by Fomos, see here or here). Actually it’s 26–14 in last 40 games, only 65%. Good, but not great. lol, your including offline qualifier games and special event games and by doing so is cutting of a 5 game winstreak he has in the start of the 40 game stretch otherwise. In Kespa sanctioned official games he is indeed 30-10 in his last 40. Nope. In his last regular PvZ games Bisu is 28–12 (2009.03.15—2010.07.10). You can check Fomos DB for regular games too: regular games only. EDIT: The YGosu DB has 28–12 for last regular Bisu’s PvZ too. Just checked. EDIT2: JD in his last 40 regular ZvP is 32–8 (2009.02.11—2010.07.10). And brazil is 30-0 against asian teams in football... How can you even compare bisu's and JD's streaks in this MU? You go find another toss with a record remotely similar to Bisu's....
Did you read previous discussion?
IMO, no.
I only answered to incorrect assertions but not proposed the subjects for comparision.
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On July 14 2010 18:04 nonduc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2010 15:25 disciple wrote:On July 12 2010 01:58 nonduc wrote:On July 12 2010 01:39 Oystein wrote:On July 12 2010 01:28 nonduc wrote:On July 12 2010 01:07 Nick_54 wrote:On July 12 2010 00:28 Shikyo wrote:On July 11 2010 19:19 DracoVolantus wrote:
Any Zerg ZvP streaks are pitiful compared to Bisu's PvZ streaks, he wins with such dominant fashion, it is so obvious nobody can stop him when he is at top form that reading what You wrote above makes my eyes hurt. I actually went to check his match history because you said something like that, and he's never had a streak that's even close or somewhat comparable. Stop talking trash please. Bisu's 30-10 through his last 40 pvz slump and all. Jaedong's 32-8 in his last 40 zvp. None of Bisu's streaks dwarf Jaedong's obviously and Jaedong might even have a slight edge, but I think Bisu is at least comparable. What streaks or stats are you talking about? Nope. Bisu is only 27–13 in his last PvZ according to TLPD: link. And in TLPD the loss to JD 0–2 in Semis of WCG 2009 GF is missed (and it’s counted by Fomos, see here or here). Actually it’s 26–14 in last 40 games, only 65%. Good, but not great. lol, your including offline qualifier games and special event games and by doing so is cutting of a 5 game winstreak he has in the start of the 40 game stretch otherwise. In Kespa sanctioned official games he is indeed 30-10 in his last 40. Nope. In his last regular PvZ games Bisu is 28–12 (2009.03.15—2010.07.10). You can check Fomos DB for regular games too: regular games only. EDIT: The YGosu DB has 28–12 for last regular Bisu’s PvZ too. Just checked. EDIT2: JD in his last 40 regular ZvP is 32–8 (2009.02.11—2010.07.10). And brazil is 30-0 against asian teams in football... How can you even compare bisu's and JD's streaks in this MU? You go find another toss with a record remotely similar to Bisu's.... Did you read previous discussion? IMO, no. I only answered to incorrect assertions but not proposed the subjects for comparision.
yes, I did read it. just comparing some stats that are completely out of contest is pointless. I just threw my 2 cents because for the last 3 or so pages people keep posting some irrelevant data. If you care about it, then sure you can point out your facts, they are indeed of some meaning, but just saying 'yo Jd is 30:2 while bisu is just 20-10, JD is way better' is completely wrong since you are not taking the stats of the maps or the statistical trends of this MU in mind
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On July 14 2010 20:29 disciple wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2010 18:04 nonduc wrote:On July 14 2010 15:25 disciple wrote:On July 12 2010 01:58 nonduc wrote:On July 12 2010 01:39 Oystein wrote:On July 12 2010 01:28 nonduc wrote:On July 12 2010 01:07 Nick_54 wrote:On July 12 2010 00:28 Shikyo wrote:On July 11 2010 19:19 DracoVolantus wrote:
Any Zerg ZvP streaks are pitiful compared to Bisu's PvZ streaks, he wins with such dominant fashion, it is so obvious nobody can stop him when he is at top form that reading what You wrote above makes my eyes hurt. I actually went to check his match history because you said something like that, and he's never had a streak that's even close or somewhat comparable. Stop talking trash please. Bisu's 30-10 through his last 40 pvz slump and all. Jaedong's 32-8 in his last 40 zvp. None of Bisu's streaks dwarf Jaedong's obviously and Jaedong might even have a slight edge, but I think Bisu is at least comparable. What streaks or stats are you talking about? Nope. Bisu is only 27–13 in his last PvZ according to TLPD: link. And in TLPD the loss to JD 0–2 in Semis of WCG 2009 GF is missed (and it’s counted by Fomos, see here or here). Actually it’s 26–14 in last 40 games, only 65%. Good, but not great. lol, your including offline qualifier games and special event games and by doing so is cutting of a 5 game winstreak he has in the start of the 40 game stretch otherwise. In Kespa sanctioned official games he is indeed 30-10 in his last 40. Nope. In his last regular PvZ games Bisu is 28–12 (2009.03.15—2010.07.10). You can check Fomos DB for regular games too: regular games only. EDIT: The YGosu DB has 28–12 for last regular Bisu’s PvZ too. Just checked. EDIT2: JD in his last 40 regular ZvP is 32–8 (2009.02.11—2010.07.10). And brazil is 30-0 against asian teams in football... How can you even compare bisu's and JD's streaks in this MU? You go find another toss with a record remotely similar to Bisu's.... Did you read previous discussion? IMO, no. I only answered to incorrect assertions but not proposed the subjects for comparision. yes, I did read it. just comparing some stats that are completely out of contest is pointless. I just threw my 2 cents because for the last 3 or so pages people keep posting some irrelevant data. If you care about it, then sure you can point out your facts, they are indeed of some meaning, but just saying 'yo Jd is 30:2 while bisu is just 20-10, JD is way better' is completely wrong since you are not taking the stats of the maps or the statistical trends of this MU in mind
The talk was about “any Zerg ZvP streaks are pitiful compared to Bisu's PvZ streaks”, wasn’t it?
IMO my stats was completely in contest. And your 2 cents completely unnecessary. :/
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On July 14 2010 22:47 nonduc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2010 20:29 disciple wrote:On July 14 2010 18:04 nonduc wrote:On July 14 2010 15:25 disciple wrote:On July 12 2010 01:58 nonduc wrote:On July 12 2010 01:39 Oystein wrote:On July 12 2010 01:28 nonduc wrote:On July 12 2010 01:07 Nick_54 wrote:On July 12 2010 00:28 Shikyo wrote:On July 11 2010 19:19 DracoVolantus wrote:
Any Zerg ZvP streaks are pitiful compared to Bisu's PvZ streaks, he wins with such dominant fashion, it is so obvious nobody can stop him when he is at top form that reading what You wrote above makes my eyes hurt. I actually went to check his match history because you said something like that, and he's never had a streak that's even close or somewhat comparable. Stop talking trash please. Bisu's 30-10 through his last 40 pvz slump and all. Jaedong's 32-8 in his last 40 zvp. None of Bisu's streaks dwarf Jaedong's obviously and Jaedong might even have a slight edge, but I think Bisu is at least comparable. What streaks or stats are you talking about? Nope. Bisu is only 27–13 in his last PvZ according to TLPD: link. And in TLPD the loss to JD 0–2 in Semis of WCG 2009 GF is missed (and it’s counted by Fomos, see here or here). Actually it’s 26–14 in last 40 games, only 65%. Good, but not great. lol, your including offline qualifier games and special event games and by doing so is cutting of a 5 game winstreak he has in the start of the 40 game stretch otherwise. In Kespa sanctioned official games he is indeed 30-10 in his last 40. Nope. In his last regular PvZ games Bisu is 28–12 (2009.03.15—2010.07.10). You can check Fomos DB for regular games too: regular games only. EDIT: The YGosu DB has 28–12 for last regular Bisu’s PvZ too. Just checked. EDIT2: JD in his last 40 regular ZvP is 32–8 (2009.02.11—2010.07.10). And brazil is 30-0 against asian teams in football... How can you even compare bisu's and JD's streaks in this MU? You go find another toss with a record remotely similar to Bisu's.... Did you read previous discussion? IMO, no. I only answered to incorrect assertions but not proposed the subjects for comparision. yes, I did read it. just comparing some stats that are completely out of contest is pointless. I just threw my 2 cents because for the last 3 or so pages people keep posting some irrelevant data. If you care about it, then sure you can point out your facts, they are indeed of some meaning, but just saying 'yo Jd is 30:2 while bisu is just 20-10, JD is way better' is completely wrong since you are not taking the stats of the maps or the statistical trends of this MU in mind The talk was about “ any Zerg ZvP streaks are pitiful compared to Bisu's PvZ streaks”, wasn’t it? IMO my stats was completely in contest. And your 2 cents completely unnecessary. :/
No, the streaks are just numbers, taken out of the "context". If I may make the football analogy Brazil is like 20-4 vs European teams and Germany is 15-8 vs teams from South America, so yeah by your logic Brazil is better than Germany...
Its just that in most of the cases, JD's fans are trying to prove JD's domination with a long list of numbers ("OMG, JvP...best vP of all time") disregarding the fact that his record as impressive at it is, is actually not that extreme - Zero is 14-3 in his last zvp's, Effort is like 20-4, hell, even Hyuk is 8-2. So all in all there must be something wrong with the whole MU and its not like Jaedong is the sole protoss slayer in the scene. You cant compare any zerg's streaks to Bisu's PvZ streak, because KTY's stats are nothing typical for this MU.
If you so want to stick to the stats, look at the head-to-head record. If its not dead even, I'm sure Bisu has the slight edge ...
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On July 15 2010 01:42 disciple wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2010 22:47 nonduc wrote:On July 14 2010 20:29 disciple wrote:On July 14 2010 18:04 nonduc wrote:On July 14 2010 15:25 disciple wrote:On July 12 2010 01:58 nonduc wrote:On July 12 2010 01:39 Oystein wrote:On July 12 2010 01:28 nonduc wrote:On July 12 2010 01:07 Nick_54 wrote:On July 12 2010 00:28 Shikyo wrote:
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I actually went to check his match history because you said something like that, and he's never had a streak that's even close or somewhat comparable. Stop talking trash please. Bisu's 30-10 through his last 40 pvz slump and all. Jaedong's 32-8 in his last 40 zvp. None of Bisu's streaks dwarf Jaedong's obviously and Jaedong might even have a slight edge, but I think Bisu is at least comparable. What streaks or stats are you talking about? Nope. Bisu is only 27–13 in his last PvZ according to TLPD: link. And in TLPD the loss to JD 0–2 in Semis of WCG 2009 GF is missed (and it’s counted by Fomos, see here or here). Actually it’s 26–14 in last 40 games, only 65%. Good, but not great. lol, your including offline qualifier games and special event games and by doing so is cutting of a 5 game winstreak he has in the start of the 40 game stretch otherwise. In Kespa sanctioned official games he is indeed 30-10 in his last 40. Nope. In his last regular PvZ games Bisu is 28–12 (2009.03.15—2010.07.10). You can check Fomos DB for regular games too: regular games only. EDIT: The YGosu DB has 28–12 for last regular Bisu’s PvZ too. Just checked. EDIT2: JD in his last 40 regular ZvP is 32–8 (2009.02.11—2010.07.10). And brazil is 30-0 against asian teams in football... How can you even compare bisu's and JD's streaks in this MU? You go find another toss with a record remotely similar to Bisu's.... Did you read previous discussion? IMO, no. I only answered to incorrect assertions but not proposed the subjects for comparision. yes, I did read it. just comparing some stats that are completely out of contest is pointless. I just threw my 2 cents because for the last 3 or so pages people keep posting some irrelevant data. If you care about it, then sure you can point out your facts, they are indeed of some meaning, but just saying 'yo Jd is 30:2 while bisu is just 20-10, JD is way better' is completely wrong since you are not taking the stats of the maps or the statistical trends of this MU in mind The talk was about “ any Zerg ZvP streaks are pitiful compared to Bisu's PvZ streaks”, wasn’t it? IMO my stats was completely in contest. And your 2 cents completely unnecessary. :/ No, the streaks are just numbers, taken out of the "context". If I may make the football analogy Brazil is like 20-4 vs European teams and Germany is 15-8 vs teams from South America, so yeah by your logic Brazil is better than Germany... Its just that in most of the cases, JD's fans are trying to prove JD's domination with a long list of numbers ("OMG, JvP...best vP of all time") disregarding the fact that his record as impressive at it is, is actually not that extreme - Zero is 14-3 in his last zvp's, Effort is like 20-4, hell, even Hyuk is 8-2. So all in all there must be something wrong with the whole MU and its not like Jaedong is the sole protoss slayer in the scene. You cant compare any zerg's streaks to Bisu's PvZ streak, because KTY's stats are nothing typical for this MU. If you so want to stick to the stats, look at the head-to-head record. If its not dead even, I'm sure Bisu has the slight edge ...
Their head to head is really weird actually. They are 7-7, but Jaedong is 6-2 vs Bisu in individual leagues while Bisu is 5-1 vs Jaedong in proleague.
And Jaedong's record vs Protoss is pretty significant even if you put it in the context of other zergs. Only Savior has had as good of a hot streak over the same amount of games (35-8, which Jaedong has tied), and I only think July comes close to having the same winrate over a large number of games (84-28 vs 77-28)
Bisu's PvZ is more notable in the end because I don't think any other Protoss has come really close to achieving what he has done, but to suggest that it completely puts what Jaedong has done to shame, which is what this was all about to begin with, is just silly.
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yea, its a shame that for 4 years time we didnt had a god honest Bo5 between Bisu and Jaedong
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Bo5 between Bisu and Jaedong in March 1st 2009 wasn’t a “god honest” one because Bisu lost, was it?
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On July 15 2010 03:44 nonduc wrote:
Bo5 between Bisu and Jaedong in March 1st 2009 wasn’t a “god honest” one because Bisu lost, was it?
you nailed it
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It wasn't a god honest one because it was a show match.
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On July 15 2010 04:33 TwoToneTerran wrote:
It wasn't a god honest one because it was a show match.
Still, there was a bunch of prize money involved so I doubt either of them took it really lightly. I'm really hoping we can get a starleague final between the two though because there is definitely a difference.
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On July 15 2010 02:23 disciple wrote:
yea, its a shame that for 4 years time we didnt had a god honest Bo5 between Bisu and Jaedong
i think we know who's to blame for that
where was he like last 5 seasons??
thank god he is in both leagues (cant believe i'm saying that)
def hoping for some no bo5 show matches this time
this will rock !!! stork flash bisu jaedong if only the cards will fall on the right place
so many cool combination of epic games !!!
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In this case the statistics discussion is kinda pointless imo. Of course other zergs have very good zvp too and therefore great winning streaks, it's just the nature of the match-up.
But in Jaedongs case, watching him play zvp the last year makes you think there is nothing the protoss can do, most often it looks absolutely invincible. He uses a variety of builds and strategies, it's astonishing.
Bisu on the other hand is the only protoss player that makes me think the matchup is playable for protoss on the highest level. He is the only one that makes me think "what could zerg even do to prevent this onslaught". Of course not in every game, but his MSL game vs Action is a great example, just a top notch pvz. Stork can play on this level too, but he is just way too inconsistent. The only thing he really does is beating Jaedong all the time.
As has been said, Jaedongs and Bisu's streaks are hardly comparable, but both are incredibly impressive.
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On July 14 2010 20:29 disciple wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2010 18:04 nonduc wrote:On July 14 2010 15:25 disciple wrote:On July 12 2010 01:58 nonduc wrote:On July 12 2010 01:39 Oystein wrote:On July 12 2010 01:28 nonduc wrote:On July 12 2010 01:07 Nick_54 wrote:On July 12 2010 00:28 Shikyo wrote:On July 11 2010 19:19 DracoVolantus wrote:
Any Zerg ZvP streaks are pitiful compared to Bisu's PvZ streaks, he wins with such dominant fashion, it is so obvious nobody can stop him when he is at top form that reading what You wrote above makes my eyes hurt. I actually went to check his match history because you said something like that, and he's never had a streak that's even close or somewhat comparable. Stop talking trash please. Bisu's 30-10 through his last 40 pvz slump and all. Jaedong's 32-8 in his last 40 zvp. None of Bisu's streaks dwarf Jaedong's obviously and Jaedong might even have a slight edge, but I think Bisu is at least comparable. What streaks or stats are you talking about? Nope. Bisu is only 27–13 in his last PvZ according to TLPD: link. And in TLPD the loss to JD 0–2 in Semis of WCG 2009 GF is missed (and it’s counted by Fomos, see here or here). Actually it’s 26–14 in last 40 games, only 65%. Good, but not great. lol, your including offline qualifier games and special event games and by doing so is cutting of a 5 game winstreak he has in the start of the 40 game stretch otherwise. In Kespa sanctioned official games he is indeed 30-10 in his last 40. Nope. In his last regular PvZ games Bisu is 28–12 (2009.03.15—2010.07.10). You can check Fomos DB for regular games too: regular games only. EDIT: The YGosu DB has 28–12 for last regular Bisu’s PvZ too. Just checked. EDIT2: JD in his last 40 regular ZvP is 32–8 (2009.02.11—2010.07.10). And brazil is 30-0 against asian teams in football... How can you even compare bisu's and JD's streaks in this MU? You go find another toss with a record remotely similar to Bisu's.... Did you read previous discussion? IMO, no. I only answered to incorrect assertions but not proposed the subjects for comparision. yes, I did read it. just comparing some stats that are completely out of contest is pointless. I just threw my 2 cents because for the last 3 or so pages people keep posting some irrelevant data. If you care about it, then sure you can point out your facts, they are indeed of some meaning, but just saying 'yo Jd is 30:2 while bisu is just 20-10, JD is way better' is completely wrong since you are not taking the stats of the maps or the statistical trends of this MU in mind
And by this logic we can conclude that Flash is bad at TvZ? sigh at this logic
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On July 15 2010 04:33 disciple wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2010 03:44 nonduc wrote:
Bo5 between Bisu and Jaedong in March 1st 2009 wasn’t a “god honest” one because Bisu lost, was it? you nailed it
it wasn't a good match because bisu's defense was 2/10
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