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On July 12 2010 01:28 nonduc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2010 01:07 Nick_54 wrote:On July 12 2010 00:28 Shikyo wrote:On July 11 2010 19:19 DracoVolantus wrote:
Any Zerg ZvP streaks are pitiful compared to Bisu's PvZ streaks, he wins with such dominant fashion, it is so obvious nobody can stop him when he is at top form that reading what You wrote above makes my eyes hurt. I actually went to check his match history because you said something like that, and he's never had a streak that's even close or somewhat comparable. Stop talking trash please. Bisu's 30-10 through his last 40 pvz slump and all. Jaedong's 32-8 in his last 40 zvp. None of Bisu's streaks dwarf Jaedong's obviously and Jaedong might even have a slight edge, but I think Bisu is at least comparable. What streaks or stats are you talking about? Nope. Bisu is only 27–13 in his last PvZ according to TLPD: link. And in TLPD the loss to JD 0–2 in Semis of WCG 2009 GF is missed (and it’s counted by Fomos, see here or here). Actually it’s 26–14 in last 40 games, only 65%. Good, but not great.
lol, your including offline qualifier games and special event games and by doing so is cutting of a 5 game winstreak he has in the start of the 40 game stretch otherwise. In Kespa sanctioned official games he is indeed 30-10 in his last 40.
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Did Flash stop using his ruler? I didn't notice it the past few games.
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Russian Federation405 Posts
On July 12 2010 01:35 Cpadolf wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2010 01:28 nonduc wrote:On July 12 2010 01:07 Nick_54 wrote:On July 12 2010 00:28 Shikyo wrote:On July 11 2010 19:19 DracoVolantus wrote:
Any Zerg ZvP streaks are pitiful compared to Bisu's PvZ streaks, he wins with such dominant fashion, it is so obvious nobody can stop him when he is at top form that reading what You wrote above makes my eyes hurt. I actually went to check his match history because you said something like that, and he's never had a streak that's even close or somewhat comparable. Stop talking trash please. Bisu's 30-10 through his last 40 pvz slump and all. Jaedong's 32-8 in his last 40 zvp. None of Bisu's streaks dwarf Jaedong's obviously and Jaedong might even have a slight edge, but I think Bisu is at least comparable. What streaks or stats are you talking about? Nope. Bisu is only 27–13 in his last PvZ according to TLPD: link. And in TLPD the loss to JD 0–2 in Semis of WCG 2009 GF is missed (and it’s counted by Fomos, see here or here). Actually it’s 26–14 in last 40 games, only 65%. Good, but not great. I hardly think team evaluation or Ultimate PL should be counted though.
Bisu's win over JD in SPL All-Star counted too. 
The weights of different wins are different, of course, but statistically they counted together. Or staistics will be “staistics in all games” and “statistics in so called  regular games”.
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Russian Federation405 Posts
On July 12 2010 01:39 Oystein wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2010 01:28 nonduc wrote:On July 12 2010 01:07 Nick_54 wrote:On July 12 2010 00:28 Shikyo wrote:On July 11 2010 19:19 DracoVolantus wrote:
Any Zerg ZvP streaks are pitiful compared to Bisu's PvZ streaks, he wins with such dominant fashion, it is so obvious nobody can stop him when he is at top form that reading what You wrote above makes my eyes hurt. I actually went to check his match history because you said something like that, and he's never had a streak that's even close or somewhat comparable. Stop talking trash please. Bisu's 30-10 through his last 40 pvz slump and all. Jaedong's 32-8 in his last 40 zvp. None of Bisu's streaks dwarf Jaedong's obviously and Jaedong might even have a slight edge, but I think Bisu is at least comparable. What streaks or stats are you talking about? Nope. Bisu is only 27–13 in his last PvZ according to TLPD: link. And in TLPD the loss to JD 0–2 in Semis of WCG 2009 GF is missed (and it’s counted by Fomos, see here or here). Actually it’s 26–14 in last 40 games, only 65%. Good, but not great. lol, your including offline qualifier games and special event games and by doing so is cutting of a 5 game winstreak he has in the start of the 40 game stretch otherwise. In Kespa sanctioned official games he is indeed 30-10 in his last 40.
Nope. In his last regular PvZ games Bisu is 28–12 (2009.03.15—2010.07.10). You can check Fomos DB for regular games too: regular games only.
EDIT: The YGosu DB has 28–12 for last regular Bisu’s PvZ too. Just checked.
EDIT2: JD in his last 40 regular ZvP is 32–8 (2009.02.11—2010.07.10).
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On July 12 2010 01:58 nonduc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2010 01:39 Oystein wrote:On July 12 2010 01:28 nonduc wrote:On July 12 2010 01:07 Nick_54 wrote:On July 12 2010 00:28 Shikyo wrote:On July 11 2010 19:19 DracoVolantus wrote:
Any Zerg ZvP streaks are pitiful compared to Bisu's PvZ streaks, he wins with such dominant fashion, it is so obvious nobody can stop him when he is at top form that reading what You wrote above makes my eyes hurt. I actually went to check his match history because you said something like that, and he's never had a streak that's even close or somewhat comparable. Stop talking trash please. Bisu's 30-10 through his last 40 pvz slump and all. Jaedong's 32-8 in his last 40 zvp. None of Bisu's streaks dwarf Jaedong's obviously and Jaedong might even have a slight edge, but I think Bisu is at least comparable. What streaks or stats are you talking about? Nope. Bisu is only 27–13 in his last PvZ according to TLPD: link. And in TLPD the loss to JD 0–2 in Semis of WCG 2009 GF is missed (and it’s counted by Fomos, see here or here). Actually it’s 26–14 in last 40 games, only 65%. Good, but not great. lol, your including offline qualifier games and special event games and by doing so is cutting of a 5 game winstreak he has in the start of the 40 game stretch otherwise. In Kespa sanctioned official games he is indeed 30-10 in his last 40. Nope. In his last regular PvZ games Bisu is 28–12 (2009.03.15—2010.07.10). You can check Fomos DB for regular games too: regular games only. EDIT: The YGosu DB has 28–12 for last regular Bisu’s PvZ too. Just checked. EDIT2: JD in his last 40 regular ZvP is 32–8 (2009.02.11—2010.07.10).
Lol, no matter how hard you try to skew the stats it is still indeed at least comparable.
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On July 12 2010 02:59 Nick_54 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2010 01:58 nonduc wrote:On July 12 2010 01:39 Oystein wrote:On July 12 2010 01:28 nonduc wrote:On July 12 2010 01:07 Nick_54 wrote:On July 12 2010 00:28 Shikyo wrote:On July 11 2010 19:19 DracoVolantus wrote:
Any Zerg ZvP streaks are pitiful compared to Bisu's PvZ streaks, he wins with such dominant fashion, it is so obvious nobody can stop him when he is at top form that reading what You wrote above makes my eyes hurt. I actually went to check his match history because you said something like that, and he's never had a streak that's even close or somewhat comparable. Stop talking trash please. Bisu's 30-10 through his last 40 pvz slump and all. Jaedong's 32-8 in his last 40 zvp. None of Bisu's streaks dwarf Jaedong's obviously and Jaedong might even have a slight edge, but I think Bisu is at least comparable. What streaks or stats are you talking about? Nope. Bisu is only 27–13 in his last PvZ according to TLPD: link. And in TLPD the loss to JD 0–2 in Semis of WCG 2009 GF is missed (and it’s counted by Fomos, see here or here). Actually it’s 26–14 in last 40 games, only 65%. Good, but not great. lol, your including offline qualifier games and special event games and by doing so is cutting of a 5 game winstreak he has in the start of the 40 game stretch otherwise. In Kespa sanctioned official games he is indeed 30-10 in his last 40. Nope. In his last regular PvZ games Bisu is 28–12 (2009.03.15—2010.07.10). You can check Fomos DB for regular games too: regular games only. EDIT: The YGosu DB has 28–12 for last regular Bisu’s PvZ too. Just checked. EDIT2: JD in his last 40 regular ZvP is 32–8 (2009.02.11—2010.07.10). Lol, no matter how hard you try to skew the stats it is still indeed at least comparable.
Just how do prelims and such not matter, anyway? And even if you'd say so, I don't think 80% and 70% are comparable
EDIT: And are you kidding me, he said no ZvP streak comes even close to Bisu's PvZ streaks. Not that Bisu's PvZ streak is barely comparable to Jaedong's. You're arguing the wrong thing, he was talking trash.
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
Our resident Jaedong liquistaff strikes!
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On July 12 2010 01:58 nonduc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2010 01:39 Oystein wrote:On July 12 2010 01:28 nonduc wrote:On July 12 2010 01:07 Nick_54 wrote:On July 12 2010 00:28 Shikyo wrote:On July 11 2010 19:19 DracoVolantus wrote:
Any Zerg ZvP streaks are pitiful compared to Bisu's PvZ streaks, he wins with such dominant fashion, it is so obvious nobody can stop him when he is at top form that reading what You wrote above makes my eyes hurt. I actually went to check his match history because you said something like that, and he's never had a streak that's even close or somewhat comparable. Stop talking trash please. Bisu's 30-10 through his last 40 pvz slump and all. Jaedong's 32-8 in his last 40 zvp. None of Bisu's streaks dwarf Jaedong's obviously and Jaedong might even have a slight edge, but I think Bisu is at least comparable. What streaks or stats are you talking about? Nope. Bisu is only 27–13 in his last PvZ according to TLPD: link. And in TLPD the loss to JD 0–2 in Semis of WCG 2009 GF is missed (and it’s counted by Fomos, see here or here). Actually it’s 26–14 in last 40 games, only 65%. Good, but not great. lol, your including offline qualifier games and special event games and by doing so is cutting of a 5 game winstreak he has in the start of the 40 game stretch otherwise. In Kespa sanctioned official games he is indeed 30-10 in his last 40. Nope. In his last regular PvZ games Bisu is 28–12 (2009.03.15—2010.07.10). You can check Fomos DB for regular games too: regular games only. EDIT: The YGosu DB has 28–12 for last regular Bisu’s PvZ too. Just checked. EDIT2: JD in his last 40 regular ZvP is 32–8 (2009.02.11—2010.07.10).
Sure if you want to include WCG those are their stats, but why they opt to include an international event like WCG with some maps out of the rotation for months and in some cases years is beyond me, and while I am not certain I feel pretty confident those games are not included on Kespas list of games of the players.
Anyway this is a silly discussion and I am done with it. The main point here is that Bisu is performing beastly in the, for the time, hardest matchup in the game.
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On July 12 2010 03:10 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2010 02:59 Nick_54 wrote:On July 12 2010 01:58 nonduc wrote:On July 12 2010 01:39 Oystein wrote:On July 12 2010 01:28 nonduc wrote:On July 12 2010 01:07 Nick_54 wrote:On July 12 2010 00:28 Shikyo wrote:On July 11 2010 19:19 DracoVolantus wrote:
Any Zerg ZvP streaks are pitiful compared to Bisu's PvZ streaks, he wins with such dominant fashion, it is so obvious nobody can stop him when he is at top form that reading what You wrote above makes my eyes hurt. I actually went to check his match history because you said something like that, and he's never had a streak that's even close or somewhat comparable. Stop talking trash please. Bisu's 30-10 through his last 40 pvz slump and all. Jaedong's 32-8 in his last 40 zvp. None of Bisu's streaks dwarf Jaedong's obviously and Jaedong might even have a slight edge, but I think Bisu is at least comparable. What streaks or stats are you talking about? Nope. Bisu is only 27–13 in his last PvZ according to TLPD: link. And in TLPD the loss to JD 0–2 in Semis of WCG 2009 GF is missed (and it’s counted by Fomos, see here or here). Actually it’s 26–14 in last 40 games, only 65%. Good, but not great. lol, your including offline qualifier games and special event games and by doing so is cutting of a 5 game winstreak he has in the start of the 40 game stretch otherwise. In Kespa sanctioned official games he is indeed 30-10 in his last 40. Nope. In his last regular PvZ games Bisu is 28–12 (2009.03.15—2010.07.10). You can check Fomos DB for regular games too: regular games only. EDIT: The YGosu DB has 28–12 for last regular Bisu’s PvZ too. Just checked. EDIT2: JD in his last 40 regular ZvP is 32–8 (2009.02.11—2010.07.10). Lol, no matter how hard you try to skew the stats it is still indeed at least comparable. Just how do prelims and such not matter, anyway? And even if you'd say so, I don't think 80% and 70% are comparable EDIT: And are you kidding me, he said no ZvP streak comes even close to Bisu's PvZ streaks. Not that Bisu's PvZ streak is barely comparable to Jaedong's. You're arguing the wrong thing, he was talking trash.
I think I put this thing with wrong words. 5 zergs that are untouchable playing protoss is so common, that when Protoss have winning streaks playing unbalanced match-up it amuses me more and it has nothing to do with fanboism.
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On July 12 2010 17:41 DracoVolantus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2010 03:10 Shikyo wrote:On July 12 2010 02:59 Nick_54 wrote:On July 12 2010 01:58 nonduc wrote:On July 12 2010 01:39 Oystein wrote:On July 12 2010 01:28 nonduc wrote:On July 12 2010 01:07 Nick_54 wrote:On July 12 2010 00:28 Shikyo wrote:On July 11 2010 19:19 DracoVolantus wrote:
Any Zerg ZvP streaks are pitiful compared to Bisu's PvZ streaks, he wins with such dominant fashion, it is so obvious nobody can stop him when he is at top form that reading what You wrote above makes my eyes hurt. I actually went to check his match history because you said something like that, and he's never had a streak that's even close or somewhat comparable. Stop talking trash please. Bisu's 30-10 through his last 40 pvz slump and all. Jaedong's 32-8 in his last 40 zvp. None of Bisu's streaks dwarf Jaedong's obviously and Jaedong might even have a slight edge, but I think Bisu is at least comparable. What streaks or stats are you talking about? Nope. Bisu is only 27–13 in his last PvZ according to TLPD: link. And in TLPD the loss to JD 0–2 in Semis of WCG 2009 GF is missed (and it’s counted by Fomos, see here or here). Actually it’s 26–14 in last 40 games, only 65%. Good, but not great. lol, your including offline qualifier games and special event games and by doing so is cutting of a 5 game winstreak he has in the start of the 40 game stretch otherwise. In Kespa sanctioned official games he is indeed 30-10 in his last 40. Nope. In his last regular PvZ games Bisu is 28–12 (2009.03.15—2010.07.10). You can check Fomos DB for regular games too: regular games only. EDIT: The YGosu DB has 28–12 for last regular Bisu’s PvZ too. Just checked. EDIT2: JD in his last 40 regular ZvP is 32–8 (2009.02.11—2010.07.10). Lol, no matter how hard you try to skew the stats it is still indeed at least comparable. Just how do prelims and such not matter, anyway? And even if you'd say so, I don't think 80% and 70% are comparable EDIT: And are you kidding me, he said no ZvP streak comes even close to Bisu's PvZ streaks. Not that Bisu's PvZ streak is barely comparable to Jaedong's. You're arguing the wrong thing, he was talking trash. I think I put this thing with wrong words. 5 zergs that are untouchable playing protoss is so common, that when Protoss have winning streaks playing unbalanced match-up it amuses me more and it has nothing to do with fanboism.
"he wins with such dominant fashion, it is so obvious nobody can stop him when he is at top form that reading what You wrote above makes my eyes hurt." Don't seem like you meant that at all, but okay.
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I was angry about somebody being so sure about Bisu loosing Bo'X to effort or jaedong.
His scouting skill denies so popular in ZvP early (I mean like first 12 min.) agression, he always has the exact number of units needed to defend against army that zerg can awake at certain timing and this is sickening. And Judgment day is Z favoured map :>
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United States10328 Posts
On July 12 2010 01:41 WWJDD wrote:
Did Flash stop using his ruler? I didn't notice it the past few games.
i hope this is not the real problem!
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On July 13 2010 02:25 ]343[ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2010 01:41 WWJDD wrote:
Did Flash stop using his ruler? I didn't notice it the past few games. i hope this is not the real problem!
I wish it were; it's an easier fix than reinventing his game to get back ahead of the curve. A-class progamers are always hot on Flash's heels.
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Canada2480 Posts
On July 13 2010 00:29 DracoVolantus wrote:
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I was angry about somebody being so sure about Bisu loosing Bo'X to effort or jaedong.
His scouting skill denies so popular in ZvP early (I mean like first 12 min.) agression, he always has the exact number of units needed to defend against army that zerg can awake at certain timing and this is sickening. And Judgment day is Z favoured map :>
hum wait, so you are saying that you would bet on bisu in a JD vs Bisu BOX? Or did I misunderstand?
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oh my god. Bisu vs Jaedong was so good
:/ i dunno why people are arguing who's better
how about we just sit back and watch these 2 amazing players do what they do best?
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On July 13 2010 11:02 serenidite wrote:
oh my god. Bisu vs Jaedong was so good
:/ i dunno why people are arguing who's better
how about we just sit back and watch these 2 amazing players do what they do best?
QFT. Its quite obvious at this point in time Bisu's PvZ is his best matchup and arguably (key word here) Jaedongs ZvP is his best matchup. They both look unstoppable at their top games.
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On July 13 2010 09:58 swanized wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 00:29 DracoVolantus wrote:
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I was angry about somebody being so sure about Bisu loosing Bo'X to effort or jaedong.
His scouting skill denies so popular in ZvP early (I mean like first 12 min.) agression, he always has the exact number of units needed to defend against army that zerg can awake at certain timing and this is sickening. And Judgment day is Z favoured map :> hum wait, so you are saying that you would bet on bisu in a JD vs Bisu BOX? Or did I misunderstand?
Right now after seeing their most recent clash and Bisu's latest pvz form, hell yes I would.
On a side note, I think Baby was ranked way to high last rank with his 4-4 record and he should be removed from power rank with his 0-4 record this month and failing in both starleagues unless he can do something miraculous in proleague playoffs.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On July 13 2010 12:12 Nick_54 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 09:58 swanized wrote:On July 13 2010 00:29 DracoVolantus wrote:
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I was angry about somebody being so sure about Bisu loosing Bo'X to effort or jaedong.
His scouting skill denies so popular in ZvP early (I mean like first 12 min.) agression, he always has the exact number of units needed to defend against army that zerg can awake at certain timing and this is sickening. And Judgment day is Z favoured map :> hum wait, so you are saying that you would bet on bisu in a JD vs Bisu BOX? Or did I misunderstand? Right now after seeing their most recent clash and Bisu's latest pvz form, hell yes I would. On a side note, I think Baby was ranked way to high last rank with his 4-4 record and he should be removed from power rank with his 0-4 record this month and failing in both starleagues unless he can do something miraculous in proleague playoffs.
Somewhat agreed. Baby was playing amazing Starcraft but had the misfortune of running into Flash and losing to MVP some how. He played some solid games and close losses. But recently, his game has gone completely off the wall - which is sad to see tbh. He's young an inexperienced so I guess that's what hitting him at the moment.
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On July 13 2010 12:46 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 12:12 Nick_54 wrote:On July 13 2010 09:58 swanized wrote:On July 13 2010 00:29 DracoVolantus wrote:
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I was angry about somebody being so sure about Bisu loosing Bo'X to effort or jaedong.
His scouting skill denies so popular in ZvP early (I mean like first 12 min.) agression, he always has the exact number of units needed to defend against army that zerg can awake at certain timing and this is sickening. And Judgment day is Z favoured map :> hum wait, so you are saying that you would bet on bisu in a JD vs Bisu BOX? Or did I misunderstand? Right now after seeing their most recent clash and Bisu's latest pvz form, hell yes I would. On a side note, I think Baby was ranked way to high last rank with his 4-4 record and he should be removed from power rank with his 0-4 record this month and failing in both starleagues unless he can do something miraculous in proleague playoffs. Somewhat agreed. Baby was playing amazing Starcraft but had the misfortune of running into Flash and losing to MVP some how. He played some solid games and close losses. But recently, his game has gone completely off the wall - which is sad to see tbh. He's young an inexperienced so I guess that's what hitting him at the moment.
i wish i could see baby advance more and progress further as a top tier player. i mean. he really broke out THIS season :/ and with sc2 right around the corner who knows how much longer baby will have to show his stuff . i for one hope he can clamp down on the 'yips' or whatever's holding him back and show some really good games that i know he can produce
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